Thread: What's so bad about TEFLing?

Originally Posted by OneSureThing

I think that the whole 30,000 baht thing is quite a bit off. I haven't come across many jobs that pay that little. Maybe it is a case of newbie, fresh off the boat teachers with no experience and no qualifications who take what they can get.

This is the group that cop the criticism on this forum. Low quality punters that do a short course and work for nothing, maybe to feed there alcohol and whore fetish not that 30,000 BHT would buy much.

High quality professional teachers are not to be confused with this group.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

so what is corporal punishment for, Terry? is it just a brutal direct punishment for what you did, or is it something that is used as a deterrent so you will not offend again?

I'd say it was for both and looking back on it now it worked well for me and kept me in check, it was rare that I got a smack from my mom as I knew her limits.

Give a kid an inch and he will take a mile.

The kids today have no consequence and the PC brigade have foked a generation of children.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Civilised countries have banned smacking.

Personally I don't think any 'country' has the right to tell me how to bring up my kids.

I expect there is still a fair amount going on at the Eden club.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Civilised countries have banned smacking.

Indeed. Question is of course whether that is a good thing.

BBC News - As it happened: England riots day five


I personally believe that a short sharp smack on the back of the legs can be usefully instructive to a child. With young children I will settle for "don't do that or else", rather than a long philosophical discourse on why putting your fingers into an electrical socket may not be the best idea. Additionally, punishment (especially physical punishment) should never be given in anger.

Mind you, if you are still applying physical discipline to your kids when they are 16, you already lost the battle.

In schools, I have mixed feelings. I am not necessarily anti - BUT - this should never be administered by a teacher in classroom. Only by a discipline master or head teacher after due and careful consideration.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Indeed. Question is of course whether that is a good thing.

BBC News - As it happened: England riots day five

I think it is a rather facetious analogy to be bringing to this debate, unless you seriously believe that the main cause of the riots was due to English parents not smacking their kids enough.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

With young children I will settle for "don't do that or else", rather than a long philosophical discourse on why putting your fingers into an electrical socket may not be the best idea.

Why, are they the only two options available to a parent ?

Are young children incapable of reason ?

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Are young children incapable of reason ?

Largely.


Preoperational stage: from ages 2 to 7 (magical thinking predominates. Acquisition of motor skills). Egocentrism begins strongly and then weakens. Children cannot conserve or use logical thinking.

• Concrete operational stage: from ages 7 to 11 (children begin to think logically but are very concrete in their thinking). Children can now conserve and think logically but only with practical aids. They are no longer egocentric.

• Formal operational stage: from age 11-16 and onwards (development of abstract reasoning). Children develop abstract thought and can easily conserve and think logically in their mind.

Jean Piaget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by nidhogg

from ages 2 to 7 begins strongly and then weakens. Children cannot conserve or use logical thinking.

I would disagree with that. For a year or so now my 5 year old has shown remarkable ablity for logical thinking.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Preoperational stage: from ages 2 to 7 (magical thinking predominates. Acquisition of motor skills). Egocentrism begins strongly and then weakens. Children cannot conserve or use logical thinking.

so if I say to my under 2 yo kid "we will not go to the waterfall unless you stop doing that" and she does, then that is not logical thinking but just magic?

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That'll get you out the lorry for a bit Andy

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Preoperational stage: from ages 2 to 7 (magical thinking predominates. Acquisition of motor skills). Egocentrism begins strongly and then weakens. Children cannot conserve or use logical thinking.

so if I say to my under 2 yo kid "we will not go to the waterfall unless you stop doing that" and she does, then that is not logical thinking but just magic?

Obviously there will be exceptions Andy. You are probably in your 40s, and you still can't reason logically...

Originally Posted by terry57

As one of the other poster said,

You can spot a Tefler a mile away on this forum when they start bleating on about a posters spelling.

I mean, fok off dude and force a rubber duster up your bottom.

Did you mean wok off dudeLOL

Originally Posted by Carrabow

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Civilised countries have banned smacking.

Im out in the sticks, we still do it.

We are not Civilised by any means

Do you not know that it is illegal in Thailand to smack a child in school? Child protection Act 2003.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by OneSureThing

I think that the whole 30,000 baht thing is quite a bit off. I haven't come across many jobs that pay that little. Maybe it is a case of newbie, fresh off the boat teachers with no experience and no qualifications who take what they can get.

This is the group that cop the criticism on this forum. Low quality punters that do a short course and work for nothing, maybe to feed there alcohol and whore fetish not that 30,000 BHT would buy much.

High quality professional teachers are not to be confused with this group.

But, couldn't someone who just did the course be a good teacher?
So, it's not teflers per say that you are down on, but people that abuse the system to crawl between the cracks and become teflers for a while. I would say that most of these types will not last too long and will probably be going from job to job quite often.

I know that a lot of tefl teachers are quite good teachers. Not all, but quite a lot. There are always those chancers though that keep the standard and image of teaching English low.

I know that 30,000 baht isn't the norm, especially in Bangkok. I would say around the 40 mark.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Are young children incapable of reason ?

Largely.


Preoperational stage: from ages 2 to 7 (magical thinking predominates. Acquisition of motor skills). Egocentrism begins strongly and then weakens. Children cannot conserve or use logical thinking.

• Concrete operational stage: from ages 7 to 11 (children begin to think logically but are very concrete in their thinking). Children can now conserve and think logically but only with practical aids. They are no longer egocentric.

• Formal operational stage: from age 11-16 and onwards (development of abstract reasoning). Children develop abstract thought and can easily conserve and think logically in their mind.

Jean Piaget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However Piagatian theory has been deconstructed by quite a few psycologists and education theorists since his hey day of the 1960's. We did a whole unit on this for the PGCE. I was even reading a book a few weeks ago about the flaws in his research and question methods. 'Children's Minds' by Margaret Donaldson.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by nidhogg

from ages 2 to 7 begins strongly and then weakens. Children cannot conserve or use logical thinking.

I would disagree with that. For a year or so now my 5 year old has shown remarkable ablity for logical thinking.

I tend to agree. They can think logically from even 3 or 4.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Only by a discipline master or head teacher after due and careful consideration

why would you let some pervert smack your kid? a "discipline master"!!

how does one apply for such a position, and why?

Originally Posted by OneSureThing

Do you not know that it is illegal in Thailand to smack a child in school? Child protection Act 2003.

I lived behind a school last year and quite frequently saw kids gettin caned on their hands in the playground

^ that is a loophole as they are not actually "in school"

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Originally Posted by nidhogg

how does one apply for such a position

You could start here:

Primary/Secondary/Kindergarten Teacher/ Counselor/Assistant Discipline Master job - Chung Hwa Middle School


Maybe they never had them in comprehensive schools - or were you a secondary modern schoolboy?

Chung Hwa!! sounds great

anyway, that is for the assistant who only needs rope technology knowledge

and no, they never had them at my school, corporal punishment was not used

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Originally Posted by OneSureThing

Do you not know that it is illegal in Thailand to smack a child in school? Child protection Act 2003.

I lived behind a school last year and quite frequently saw kids gettin caned on their hands in the playground

Unfortunately the Child protection Act ain't imposed.

Wasn't there a story about an American English TEACHER who got caned in Thailand a while bacK? (By the headmaster)

^ Yeah, I heard about that story. I think that it happened in front of his students as well.

was it a female, with scanty underwear?