Should Americans be allowed to live overseas?

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Originally Posted by sccrhound

Ok basics, you can't have terrorism during a declared war and Japan, Germany and Italy declared war on the US. Nice try but a huge fail.

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the PC word for terrorism in time of war is War Crime, so yes I stand correct.

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Originally Posted by sccrhound

if not a majority of the slave brought to the US were sold to Europeans by Africans

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and that equates mass murder or genocide ? :rolleyes:

This thread has become like something I imagine goes on in Issues.

It is scaring people away. You Issues people go back there, this is banal banter.

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Originally Posted by FlyFree

I doubt many Brits know much about their own history, only the good bits.... :)

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History is always written by the winners.

Americans? Good pool players!
I always like a game with an American. they are always very genial, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by chitown

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

In this day and age, the US would be dragged to the WCT as a terrorist state

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Yes in this day of PCP's, I suppose it would happen.

However, when real men like Churchill and Roosevelt were calling the shots, it was called winning and ending a war.

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Originally Posted by sccrhound

Ok basics, you can't have terrorism during a declared war and Japan, Germany and Italy declared war on the US. Nice try but a huge fail.

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You are conversing with a Frenchman and like the rest of his countrymen he embraces surrendering in response to acts of war.

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From one of my brit friends.

On Ebay.

Vintage WWII French rifle, only dropped once.

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Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

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Originally Posted by FlyFree

I doubt many Brits know much about their own history, only the good bits.... :)

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History is always written by the winners.

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That is a classic phrase and I won't give you green, but I will agree to an extent.

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Originally Posted by chitown

his countrymen he embraces surrendering in response to acts of war.

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didn't you guys surrender to the Vietnamese ? actually you fled, not surrender, and left your weapons behind :)

^ A PCP'er appears.

Not entirely true. But who fled Vietnam first? The French or the US?

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Originally Posted by chitown

Not entirely true

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how ? didn't you fled ? I mean it was pretty cahotic, haven't you seen the video footage ? from the US embassy rooftop ? apparently not :)

The French left baguettes, not bayonets.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by sccrhound

Ok basics, you can't have terrorism during a declared war and Japan, Germany and Italy declared war on the US. Nice try but a huge fail.

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the PC word for terrorism in time of war is War Crime, so yes I stand correct.

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Originally Posted by sccrhound

if not a majority of the slave brought to the US were sold to Europeans by Africans

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and that equates mass murder or genocide ? :rolleyes:

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Again, you are trying to impose today's standards on something that happened 65 years ago.

Think about what happened during that period.

Stalin killed 10 to 20 million of his own people.
Hitler had 10 to 15 million Jews killed.
Japan invaded and occupied Korea and forced thousands of women into being sex slaves.

It was a different time where survival was paramount. You are treating it as a training exercise.

I am not going to vouch for this site, since I have not done the necessary research, but it says that 9 million Chinese civilians died during WWII. The only country attacking China was Japan. 9 million vs the So maybe you need to stop being so holier than thou.

WWII: The Casualties

The one site I checked said that a combined 400,000 people died as a result of the atomic bombs. Both the day of and in years after.

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Here is an interesting read
http://www.world-war-2.info/atomic-bomb/

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by chitown

Not entirely true

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how ? didn't you fled ? I mean it was pretty cahotic, haven't you seen the video footage ? from the US embassy rooftop ? apparently not :)

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maybe i can help....


https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2010/06/2.jpg


:)

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

didn't you fled ?

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Do you mean fled?

The Vietnam war started in 1954. The US. essentially took over the advisory role from the French, who were leaving Vietnam after their defeat at Diem Bi en Po in 1954.

Actually the US. withdrew in 1973.

In 1975 we evacuated some embassy people and advisory personnel.

One thing you have to realize is that Vietnam was essential lost because the US government bowed down to some poove hippies that eventually birthed the PCP group of today.

If the US government spent the same amount of time focusing on winning in Vietnam as they did people pleasing we would have seen victory early on.

Instead they deemed outhouses important targets rather than Russian missile sites that were under construction and other military targets. The emerging PCP'ers swayed the government to tie the hands of the military. They micromanaged the Vietnam War and that was the end of it.

BTW I would wager that one "lost" (if you must call it that) war pales in comparison to all of Frances military losses.

But lets look at the numbers the NVA had over 1.5 million killed in action and the US had a tad over 58,000.

So who won the war? :)

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Originally Posted by chitown

In 1975 we evacuated some embassy people and advisory personnel.

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Originally Posted by chitown

If the US government spent the same amount of time focusing on winning in Vietnam as they did people pleasing we would have seen victory early on.

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i was unaware that you served in vietnam.

bit young, weren't you?
:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by sccrhound

Ok basics, you can't have terrorism during a declared war and Japan, Germany and Italy declared war on the US. Nice try but a huge fail.

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the PC word for terrorism in time of war is War Crime,

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Fucking bullshit butterfly you wanker, jesus, where do you get this shit. You're just making it up AS YOU GO ALONG AREN'T YOU.

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by chitown

In 1975 we evacuated some embassy people and advisory personnel.

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If the US government spent the same amount of time focusing on winning in Vietnam as they did people pleasing we would have seen victory early on.

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i was unaware that you served in vietnam.

bit young, weren't you?
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We = America....I am American no? And one that does not have an inferiority complex about being one. Unlike you and you many inferiority complexes.

I have to go Ray. I am off to the gym, then lunch and the a 2 hour massage. You should skidaddle as well I think I heard the home room bell ringing.

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Originally Posted by BobR

America has given a lot to the World; angry black rap music, moronic movies, drive through restaurants and the weapons that Israel uses for their acts of terrorism are just a few.

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You might have mentioned fashion - as in pants on the ground and Converse All Stars, oh, and a fast cap.

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Originally Posted by Camel Toe

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Originally Posted by BobR

America has given a lot to the World; angry black rap music, moronic movies, drive through restaurants and the weapons that Israel uses for their acts of terrorism are just a few.

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You might have mentioned fashion - as in pants on the ground and Converse All Stars, oh, and a fast cap.

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Some pretty good music too

YouTube - Talking Heads - Live in Rome 1980 - 06 Take Me To The River

These stupid war arguments could go on forever, what's the point? ...Nobody ever sees eye to eye which is why we have war in the first place and, on a much smaller scale, endless war on this forum.

'My country is better than your country, you lost the war not us' - jesus, I thought I was immature!

Because it is interesting to get the opinion of others.

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Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

These stupid war arguments could go on forever, what's the point? ...Nobody ever sees eye to eye which is why we have war in the first place and, on a much smaller scale, endless war on this forum.

'My country is better than your country, you lost the war not us' - jesus, I thought I was immature!

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I am wondering who started this thread?

Ironically, there's one man I idolize and respect to the heavens and he (was) a Merkin. If you can get past the 1 minute HBO intro, this is an excellent watch. He was a truly great American man who told it like it was.

YouTube - George Carlin - We Like War

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Originally Posted by sccrhound

I am wondering who started this thread?

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pwned! :)

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Originally Posted by sccrhound

Stalin killed 10 to 20 million of his own people.
Hitler had 10 to 15 million Jews killed.

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yes nice comparison, so being part of the mass murderer club is not big deal as long as everyone does it ? :rolleyes:

nice relativism you have here, I am sure you would be a nice "collaborator" under a dictatorship. Let me guess, you are also a conservative and a Bush supporter :)