Thread: The Disintegration of the Reds

Originally Posted by zygote1

In respect to the allegation that Mr. Thaksin was shopping at Louis Vuitton in Paris, aside from the Bangkok paper that made the allegation, is there a reliable source that confirms the story.

I guess you chose to ignore that there is a photograph detailing this event.

No surprise from a Thaksin enthusiast, I guess.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Another futile Daffy-style discussion.

Could someone get rid of this guy? Yeah, I'm sorry - must be frustrating for you to deal with people that bother to think about the situation, than to troll, like you.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

well, it seems a few are having the hots for me in the news, some mods or some silly posters reporting everyone one of my posts, the silly cowards

Most likely someone sucking Mid's balls.

They are burning the SET !!!

The Stock Exchange is ablaze. Flames twice as bad since I've ... on Twitpic

there is a bkk burning thread

STock Exchange is burning, yet Thai stocks keep opening higher each day.

^ If the SET is up tomorrow, I guess we know it's all smoke & mirrors...

The baht will probably be up too...

The reds have indeed disintegrated

not that we didn't it was the only outcome, no cause, only money as their main cause

interesting comments here, the reds were basically a Fascist movement, not that we didn't know already

Debating the Crisis in Thailand: Is Red Shirt Movement a Genuine Grassroots Struggle, or Front for Ousted Ex-PM, Billionaire Tycoon?

PHILIP CUNNINGHAM: I think one thing Ji and I absolutely agree on is that it’s never right to use an army to suppress the people. I think it’s an extremely blunt instrument. It’s crazy. It’s bloody. It’s violent. And that’s wrong. And I completely agree with Ji that the army should not be involved in this.

However, Ji and I used to live on the same street in Bangkok. We taught at the same university. But we really disagree on our analysis of the Red Shirts. I believe the Red Shirts are a fascist movement. I believe the poverty is real. The need, the hunger, for a systemic change, a kind of change in Thailand, is there. It’s in the air. But there is nothing about the Red Shirts—I listen to them every day. I monitor their broadcasts. I’m doing a media study of that. And they insult foreigners. They insult gays. They engage in ridiculous ad hominem attacks. They are playing to the crowd. It’s kind of like a cross between—with Thaksin. And they sing songs in dedication to Thaksin. I mean, it’s sort of like, you know, Mussolini or something like that. Some people compare Thaksin to Berlusconi. I think it’s a little more like Mussolini. It is fascism, and it is a shame, because these people are hijacking the poor people, hijacking the genuine grievances of the poor, to serve a billionaire in exile so he can get back to Thailand and get his money back.

PHILIP CUNNINGHAM: Well, I think Ji knows very well that the—you know, if he listens to the speeches—I mean, Ji could listen to the speeches as well as I do. It’s nonsense. There is good rhetoric. There’s good drama. This is money from a TV station from Thaksin’s media people. They’ve put together a media show. They’ve put together a sham demonstration, a sham revolution. It’s not the real thing. I was in a Tiananmen in '89. I know what these things look like. I know what a spontaneous uprising looks like. This is not a spontaneous uprising.

It would be interesting to see some transcripts of some of their speeches, I am sure it would reveal a lot.

apparently anti-foreigners, anti-gay, quite racist, in essence not different from the yellow

which is not surprising since they used to be the same group, basically they are fascist, popular fascist

this is a "civil war" between 2 political groups, at least the yellow left when they got what they wanted

Originally Posted by Butterfly

this country will not change until real grass roots local movements topple the entrenched local gangsters that call themselves political representatives

Gotta agree. But the main political gangsters right now are the Newin and Banharn factions. They hold the balance of power in the Abhisit government.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Butterfly

this country will not change until real grass roots local movements topple the entrenched local gangsters that call themselves political representatives

Gotta agree. But the main political gangsters right now are the Newin and Banharn factions. They hold the balance of power in the Abhisit government.

Are they gangster only because they joined the coalition?

How about Suthep Thuagsuban, Pinij Jarusombat, Snoh Thiengthong, Somsak Thepsuthin, Suwat Liptapalop? Are they not gangsters because they are in the oppostion?

TH

^ Suthep is deeply corrupt, in fact a corruption scandal surrounding him led to the downfall of the last Democrat government. He was disqualified from being an MP in 2009 too. Great choice of Deputy PM in the current Democrat government.
Suthep Thaugsuban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't much know the rest of them, but knowing Thailand I doubt they're much better.

^ told you they aren't ready for Democracy

the garbage in the reds camp is much worse,

Dem's took the worst garbage with Newin actually.

Originally Posted by sabang

Dem's took the worst garbage with Newin actually.

don't disagree, the same garbage that made TRT happen incidentally,

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by lom

Google doesn't have much old stuff here is what I find right now from

Siam Report: Jatuporn Promphan


• Jatuporn served as secretary for Praphat Banyachartrak, a deputy agriculture minister and minister of natural resources and environment in the Thaksin government. In 2003, Jatuporn and other ministry officials came into conflict with local farmers in Nakhon Si Thammarat over government land policy. The farmers, in protest of government policy, took over a plantation owned by Thai Ruam Pattana Farming Co. The protesters accused authorities of leasing large tracts of land to big palm oil producers instead of redistributing the land to the farmers. In reponse to the land seizure, Jatuporn and other ministry officials ordered 1,000 police to retake the property. Jatuporn defended the action, saying the protesters were armed and violated trespassing laws. (Bangkok Post, October 30, 2003).


As I remember it, the lease had expired without the company renewing it in due time. It was government owned land and the farmers had been promised to get their individual shares from it as soon as the current lease contract had expired.
The company was later, after police had broken their demonstration, allowed to lease (or was it buy ? ) the land again.

So Jatuporn is quite familiar with sending police after demonstrators..

Nice find!

Love the irony....

Speaks volumes about the man.

this is exactly what I am talking about, we are dealing with small Fascists branding democracy as a glossy brochure only to destroy it

it's a pact with the devil,

Originally Posted by sabang

^ Suthep is deeply corrupt, in fact a corruption scandal surrounding him led to the downfall of the last Democrat government. He was disqualified from being an MP in 2009 too. Great choice of Deputy PM in the current Democrat government.

That may be so, but Suthep is a smart guy, and a very adept dealmaker.

That makes him okay in my book.

Plus, just the fact that you don't like him, qualifies him instantly, and probably means that he's a decent guy.

http://somchaiq.wordpress.com/2008/1...ew-government/