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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
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    Much of the workers rights you take for granted today, were fought and won by the unions and its members.
    Indeed. My grandfather was nearly beaten to death by anti union thugs hired by the Canadian Pacific Railroad. Why? They the union had the audacity to demand a 6 day work week. The unions did fight and some lost their lives for the things we take for granted today. Most of the rights they fought for are now part of state law.

    Given this is the case, are unions a thing of the past and no longer needed to protect worker rights?
    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Without unions those workers rights we value so much would be gone in a week. That's one of the reasons why big business and right-wing politicians invest so much time and effort into brainwashing people like jettie. It's the happy smiling face of capitalism saying "trust me, I'm your friend". Unfortunately history shows otherwise.
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    Fek, the US Govt largely owns the auto cos now. Isn't the govt fair? Oh ya, most of the unions in the States are for govt workers.
    I do agree that the unions helped workers in the industrial age and beyond, and perhaps they do good things for workers in some industries, but I largely see them as thugs (ouch! I can feel incoming). Ma worked for the govt but not a union as she was mgmt (not high mind you). I refuse to work for unions coz I don't like someone to tell me what to do unless it's my boss. And if I want to work late to finish my task, then I will. And I expect my year-end bonus for it, which has always been more than what I expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    But hey, why would I protest if it's not something I believe in? Just to protest? That's for libbie college kids and union workers pulling full pay from the job bank (ie, not working at all but getting paid anyway).
    And there you have the crux of the matter. You don't believe in the cause, so assume the protestors don't either. They're 'just' there 'to protest'.

    But others have differing agendas to you. They do care enough to protest and good for them. It may not have made one iota of difference, but at least there are still people in the world who give a damn and will stand up & be counted. When there are no protests is when we have failed as a society, IMO. Those in power will always abuse that power to varying degrees, and the day we as a society sit back and let them, will be a sorry day for all of us.

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    ^ OK, NR, tell the guy who believes in this crusade to lose a day's pay (and maybe his job that supports his family and puts food on the table) to go out and protest to save the starving masses overseas who don't give a fek about him if he gets kicked out of his home and can't support his family. Oh ya, the dole system will support him.

    Sorry, totally disagree.

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    They are there 'just' to 'protest' though, or so it seems anyway.

    Not that I am suggesting anything wrong in that only I thought it a tad pointless, and was wondering if anybody had an idea as to what their agenda is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonraker
    They are there 'just' to 'protest' though, or so it seems anyway.
    How do you know? Media? Yep, and they have no agenda.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    OK, NR, tell the guy who believes in this crusade to lose a day's pay
    I'm not telling anyone anything, but if he believes in it, he might very well be willing to lose a day's pay.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    (and maybe his job that supports his family and puts food on the table)
    Rather naive to believe anyone would risk their job, isn't it? If his (or her) job were likely to be lost, I'm sure they would go to work, as usual and just sign an online petition. People aren't generally stupid.

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    [quote=November Rain;1013837]
    Quote Originally Posted by Moonraker
    They are there 'just' to 'protest' though, or so it seems anyway.
    How do you know? Media? Yep, and they have no agenda.


    As I said, that's just how it seems. If they do have an agenda then what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonraker
    If they do have an agenda then what is it?
    The media's agenda? To make the protestors look like unwashed, unintelligent rent-a-mob members. Or complete nutters. Preferably both. Can't have it looking as if they actually know or care what they're protesting about - that would never do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonraker View Post
    They are there 'just' to 'protest' though, or so it seems anyway.

    Not that I am suggesting anything wrong in that only I thought it a tad pointless, and was wondering if anybody had an idea as to what their agenda is.


    Their agenda is to protest, not offer solutions, just to point out that those at the G20 Summit carry a large part of the blame for the current fcuckup and that relying on them to sort out the world's financial problems is like relying on Hitler to organise a bar-mitzvah party..

    Approximately one and a half seconds of using google led to the website of the organizers. Their agenda is summarized in the leaflets handed out announcing the protest.

    "Their tax-dodging, bonus-guzzling, pension-pinching, unregulated free market world's in meltdown, and those fools think we're going to bail them out. They've gotta be joking!

    We can't pay, we won't pay and we are taking to the streets"

    Clearer now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Moonraker
    They are there 'just' to 'protest' though, or so it seems anyway.
    How do you know? Media? Yep, and they have no agenda.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    OK, NR, tell the guy who believes in this crusade to lose a day's pay
    I'm not telling anyone anything, but if he believes in it, he might very well be willing to lose a day's pay.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    (and maybe his job that supports his family and puts food on the table)
    Rather naive to believe anyone would risk their job, isn't it? If his (or her) job were likely to be lost, I'm sure they would go to work, as usual and just sign an online petition. People aren't generally stupid.

    Jet lives in a world where people get fired for going on protest marches and the concept of a day off doesn't exist. It sounds positively Dickensian.

    I find it bizarre that a bunch of idiots can lie, cheat, and bamboozle their way to stealing billions, cause so much chaos that the entire world faces financial collapse, get given trillions more to help sort out the problem, steal that, fart in the face of the rest of the world, and then ask for even more money and yet there are still people in this world who consider them decent upright businessman who are just musunderstood and can't understand why anybody would want to protest against the lunacy that led to this godawful mess.

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    ^ True, Dr Bob. I'm wondering why Summers made a $mil or so for speeches to banks, Geitner forgot to pay his taxes for a couple of years, and the unions can fek up their companies by demanding more money for their workers but still find enough in the kitty for several million to support politicians. But that's not cheating, lying or bamboozling is it, coz they're democrats.

    Tea Party rally day is a Wednesday. Probably alot of unemployed and even employed white collar folks out that day. Kind of like the new militia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    the unions can fek up their companies by demanding more money for their workers but still find enough in the kitty for several million to support politicians. But that's not cheating, lying or bamboozling is it, coz they're democrats.
    Democrats? Are you talking about the USA again? The G20 protests were in London, England, not London, Ohio. The world's a big place and not that much of it is in the USA. I doubt that many members of British, French, Australian, or Kenyan trades unions, or unions from pretty much anywhere else outside the US are registered democrats. Being a little parochial there Jet, aren't you? BTW, cheating, lying, stealing, and bamboozling are the same for everyone. I have no idea why anybody would think otherwise. I certainly don't.

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    ^ Oh, I forgot to say socialists. Sorry.

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