Thread: Global Warming - I Was Wrong

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

Co2 is good for the planet.

Where would the beer and soft drink industry be without it?

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

Co2 is good for the planet.

Certain levels of CO2 are good for the planet. Millions of metric tonnes being routinely dumped into it isn't.

Plankton takes it all to the bottom of the sea. It doesn't stay in the atmosphere.

I'm an expert in these matters now.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

I'm an expert in these matters now.

You've joined the global climate panel alongside that Judge and the airline executive?

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

Plankton takes it all to the bottom of the sea. It doesn't stay in the atmosphere.

Really? A pity then that plankton levels seem to be on the sharp decline. Wonder what'll happen to it all then? PLANKTON LEVELS IN THE OCEAN ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DEPLETED

You can see them from space.



Looks like there are a fair few left to me. The image I was looking for had them covering half of the Atlantic.

Here's a better one. They cover half of the planet. Hardly running out, are they?

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

Looks like there are a fair few left to me.

Well you're the expert in these matters. Apparently.

Care to explain this also:

The amount of carbon absorbed by plant plankton in large segments of the Pacific Ocean is much less than previously estimated, researchers say.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Ocean plankton absorb less CO2

Or perhaps even this:

Strange things are happening in the North Sea. Cod stocks are slumping faster than over-fishing can account for, and Mediterranean species like red mullet are migrating north.


... but some believe a dramatic change in North Sea plankton is responsible. And, what is more, they blame global warming.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Climate warning from the deep

Or this:

Marine species are under threat from rising levels of acidity in the oceans, says the UK's Royal Society.
Unless carbon dioxide emissions are cut, there could be irreversible damage to ecosystems, it warns.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Emission cuts 'vital' for oceans

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Care to explain

Plankton aren't absorbing as much iron as they did in the past, which has precisely fuck all to do with putting two grand on top of the price of a family motor, which has been wheeled out as a 'solution' to global warming.

^Hmm, I have to be honest here. I'm finding the BBC's reports on actual scientific study and theory more compelling than your expert opinion and conspiracy theories.

From your article :

Strange things are happening in the North Sea. Cod stocks are slumping faster than over-fishing can account for, and Mediterranean species like red mullet are migrating north. Several sea birds are also in trouble. Kittiwake numbers are falling fast and guillemots are struggling to breed. And, earlier this summer, hundreds of fulmar (a relative of the albatross) corpses washed up on the Norfolk coast, having apparently starved to death

Sentimental mush. That's not a case for anything. There are bigger problems in November Rain's dog shelter.

Scientists suspect these events are linked and they are trying to work out how

Says it all really - myth & legend. This is your evidence?

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

Sentimental mush. That's not a case for anything.

The reporting may be "sentimental mush" as you put it, but that doesn't change nowt of what's being reported on though does it. So, actually, call it what you like as that's not a case to refute it.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

There are bigger problems in November Rain's dog shelter.

I think by the very definition problems in the North Sea would actually be, you know, bigger like.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

Says it all really - myth & legend. This is your evidence?

No it's scientific evidence. 'Tis better than your pics innit.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

it's scientific evidence

Let's look at this 'evidence' more closely.

Scientists suspect these events are linked and they are trying to work out how

That's that then. I guess I was wrong

by the very definition problems in the North Sea

The North sea must be the smallest patch of water on the planet. Hardly constitutes a 'world' problem. November Rain's shelter holds 100+ dogs & your article was rattling on about 100+ birds. I know what I see as a bigger problem. What the fuck is a Kittwake, anyway? It's not as though we'd miss it if it was gone.

Don't you think if we diverted some of this concern for Global Warming to more important matters, such as genocide & mass murder, we'd be doing a lot more good?

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

The North sea must be the smallest patch of water on the planet. Hardly constitutes a 'world' problem.

Yes, it's an utterly useless and pointless body of water:

The North Sea is a marginal, epeiric sea of the Atlantic Ocean on the European continental shelf. It is more than 600 miles long and 350 miles wide, with an area of around 222,000 square miles. A large part of the European drainage basin empties into the North Sea including water from the Baltic Sea. The North Sea connects with the rest of the Atlantic through the Dover Strait and the English Channel in the south and through the Norwegian Sea in the north.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

November Rain's shelter holds 100+ dogs & your article was rattling on about 100+ birds. I know what I see as a bigger problem

The bigger problem is your very selective reading and disseminating of information. What the article actually mentions is: "Cod stocks are slumping faster than over-fishing can account for, and Mediterranean species like red mullet are migrating north. Several sea birds are also in trouble. Kittiwake numbers are falling fast and guillemots are struggling to breed. And, earlier this summer, hundreds of fulmar (a relative of the albatross) corpses washed up on the Norfolk coast, having apparently starved to death".

Please do try to stick to the facts, the whole facts, if you're going to try to dismiss something.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

That's that then. I guess I was wrong

It's still better than anything you've managed to conjure. Besides which, you're being disingenuous again by attempting to portray that as the entire body of scientific evidence (or even a substantive part) when it patently isn't, it's merely a few articles I posted on the specific topic of plankton.

It's for this and other reasons I question your "expert" status.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

The North Sea is a blah blah blah blah blah

220,000 square miles on a planet this size is considered small.

The bigger problem is your very selective reading and disseminating of information

No, the problem is, what you have just described is what is put forward as the case for global warming in the first place. When the climate change racket merchants are caught using a suspect graph they just fudge over it & move onto the next batch of iffy figures, expecting people to swallow them without question.

They are the tactics of con men.

I still think it is a class war.

Let's look at the facts - you're a lawyer & I'm an ex-con. You believe in global warming & I don't. Compelling evidence.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

220,000 square miles on a planet this size is considered small.

Bigger than a dog shelter though, innit.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

When the climate change racket merchants are caught using a suspect graph they just fudge over it & move onto the next batch of iffy figures, expecting people to swallow them without question.

Such as... ? Do you have any specific examples of this 'fudging'?

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

I still think it is a class war.

Yes I know, so did CO. Incidentally he was much better at this than you.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

Let's look at the facts - you're a lawyer & I'm an ex-con. You believe in global warming & I don't. Compelling evidence.

There's a fatal flaw in your reasoning there. It presupposes that I have any class.

Originally Posted by November Rain

I have no idea whether global warming is the cause of these birds'/fish/whatever's deaths or pollution or disease or something else

That's my point, exactly.

Nobody knows, but because it tugs on the heartstrings, talking about dead birds, they wheel it out as a man-made problem & start demanding we pay more tax on a car to 'solve' it.

Leave it out.

When - IF - they prove a link, I will be the first to comply with their wishes, but when they lie, over & over again & get caught lying, over & over again, they can stick their climate change racket where the sun don't shine.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Bigger than a dog shelter

I was talking about the numbers of birds compared to dogs.

Do you have any specific examples of this 'fudging'

PlanB's graph & video on this thread is a good example - lifted from Gore's movie.

so did CO. Incidentally he was much better at this than you

CO was just one man & his opinion. I am an expert. There is a difference.

It presupposes that I have any class

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

I was talking about the numbers of birds compared to dogs.

That's the thing though, it's not just the birds.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

PlanB's graph & video on this thread is a good example - lifted from Gore's movie.

Al Gores movie isn't the single, authorative, Global Warming source. It's actually 'dumbed down' too an extent, make it more palatable to the audiences. The real scientific reasearch is a tad dry for that.

Seen it yet by the way?

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

It presupposes that I have any class

Well I don't!

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Al Gores movie isn't the single, authorative, Global Warming source

They show it in schools like it is.

It's actually 'dumbed down'

No shit. The tale of the three pigs & the big bad wolf has more 'facts' in it.

Seen it yet

Better things to do than watch propaganda movies. I saw a clip of a cartoon polar bear drowning because there was no ice left & thought I'd give the rest of it a miss.

So you think the polar ice melt is manufactured by the elite classes too?

I guess the upside is that we have another route through the Americas, Canadians stand to make a buck or 2 off that.

^Agree, just keep ridin' til the wheels fall off. What else you gonna do?

Why all the doom and gloom?

In the past the earth has had much higher temperatures and CO2 levels, and much less polar icecaps. There have been times when Europe was flooded and only a series of islands. Other times it was covered in a sheet of ice. Global warming and cooling have been going on for millenium and the polar bears survived it then and they'll survive it again.

And don't worry about humanity, Cockroaches and spiders might have lead the way but no species survives as well as humans.