Global Warming - I Was Wrong

**AntRobertson** · 23-11-2007, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

likewise Duesberg's hiv to aids hypothesis.

Yes, exactly like Duesberg's hypothesis.

Originally Posted by Dalton

Global warming is a fact and there need to be taken action against it, the ones who close there eyes and only think about economic growth are indeed very naive. Another very important factor is our oceans, people are screwing up the biological system to the extreme, taking for granted that it all will rebuild itself...WRONG... That aint gonna happen..I have said this before, and I will keep saying it. Greed will be the down-fall for man-kind, we are our own worst enemy.

Ok move along people, nothing to see here. Go back to your homes.

There's no need to concern ourselves with Global Warming anymore we have much more pressing concerns and problems. Hell has frozen over!!!

I'm in 100% agreement with Dalton.

**Dalton** · 23-11-2007, 11:14 AM

^ There are issues we agree on..

Wonders do happen

**AntRobertson** · 23-11-2007, 11:18 AM

^It gets even worse than that... I really like that bike in your avatar. I don't feel well, I think I need a lie down

**DrB0b** · 23-11-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Weather you agree with it or not Gore's work is based on interpretation of scientific data. You don't even have to agree with the interpretations and conclusions made but the one thing you can't dispute is the data itself.

likewise Duesberg's hiv to aids hypothesis.

No, because Duesberg's data is false.

**Hootad Binky** · 23-11-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Plan B

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

That's a lovely graph, I see the global warming activists are not against a good bit of data distortion to prove things.

Just type "CO2 temperature" into Google images and you get this:

Results 1 - 20 of about 89,800 for CO2 temperature. (0.08 seconds)

Where This figure shows the temperature ...
in temperature (blue) and in the ...
CO2 following the temperature.
between CO2 and temperature is ...

Image:Co2-temperature-plot.png
carbon dioxide dioxide temperature effect.

... regular cyclical CO2/temperature ...

CO2/temperature link a ...

12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next

It's a rather famous graph

Originally Posted by Plan B

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

Because every time C02 goes up, so does temperature.

The graph in Al Gore's docu show the real stats.

How is Al Gore's graph different than my graph?

Originally Posted by Plan B

Every time temperature goes up so does CO2, not the other way round.

Since when is CO2 not a greenhouse gas?

Originally Posted by Plan B

Someone has moved the axis for either the temp or CO2 on that graph.

How exactly? Was no-one watching?

There's no dispute about atmospheric history, is there?

**Dalton** · 23-11-2007, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^It gets even worse than that... I really like that bike in your avatar. I don't feel well, I think I need a lie down

Me too, this is getting scary

Agree on two things within a few hours.....I need a big drink...

**AntRobertson** · 23-11-2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dalton

Me too, this is getting scary Agree on two things within a few hours.....I need a big drink...

Hmm, well there's a simple fix...

What do you drink? Bet I wouldn't like it!!

**November Rain** · 23-11-2007, 01:19 PM

^ Who doesn't like Homepro's turps?

Sorry Dalton...

**Dalton** · 23-11-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

What do you drink? Bet I wouldn't like it

Normally I'm a beer man, any kind of civilized lager will do. If moving on to the stronger stuff, then I prefere Laphroaig whisky or just a simple vodka with tonic.

**AntRobertson** · 23-11-2007, 01:28 PM

^...

Damn. We're doomed!*

*Beer and vodka yes. Although I'm not much of a whiskey fan.

**Dalton** · 23-11-2007, 01:38 PM

^ Two out of three aint bad...

Dont be to sorry, we'll find something to argue about later..

.I'm of to MKP to take a giant crap on Robski

**Norton** · 23-11-2007, 01:58 PM

Just finished a book titled Collapse by Jared Diamond. Interesting read related to global warming as well as other factors. His view is there are several (he cites 12) factors related to the demise of the human race.
CO2 emissions are one but over exploitation of nonrenewable resources, destruction of natural habitats, pollution, unwillingness to recognize ecological danger and adapt, over reliance on technology to solve the problem and most important, overpopulation the major cause of the above. He concludes, all need equal attention and are interrelated and I agree.

Currently there seems to be a disproportionate focus on CO2 emissions and the others are deemed insignificant even though they contribute to global warming. He uses the analogy of an airplane's rivets. To ignore a few insignificant popping rivets while focusing on one will result in a crash.

Agree with NR, reducing CO2 emissions only makes sense regardless of one's acceptance of "global warming". I would only hope we don't forget to fix the other problems with equal passion!!

**PlanK** · 23-11-2007, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

How is Al Gore's graph different than my graph?

This is Big Al's graph...

CO2 in red, temperature in blue.
You may notice that the temperature rises before the CO2 does, it's not easy to see, so here's another...

Notice the 800 year lag between temperature rise and CO2 rise?

In response to this the co-chairman of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on climate change...

Houghton acknowledges that ice core samples show CO2 driven by temperature, but then writes that the programme's assertion that "this correlation has been presented as the main evidence for global warming by the IPCC [is] NOT TRUE. For instance, I often show that diagram in my lectures on climate change but always make the point that it gives no proof of global warming due to increased carbon dioxide."

Not very good proof really. But if you move those axes around a bit it can look like it works in your favour.

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

Since when is CO2 not a greenhouse gas?

Don't know, did anyone say it wasn't?

**DrAndy** · 23-11-2007, 03:24 PM

Most of the arguments we are seeing here are just like pebbles rolling around in the bottom of a barrell

They are just seeing the small picture

If you get out of the barrel, you can see that the human race is more or less insignificant. Yes, we are screwing up the environment and no, we will not stop doing so.

Yes we have killed off many species and ruined many habitats with our greed, yes, we care, and no, we will not stop doing so.

But after we have totally ruined the environment, after we have made it impossible for humans to survive in any numbers, the Earth will just change and another form of life will find those conditions acceptable. It has been seen before and, no doubt, will be seen again.

We think we are important but that is only at the present time. There may be no future for us but there is a future for the Earth.

**Norton** · 23-11-2007, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

We think we are important but that is only at the present time. There may be no future for us but there is a future for the Earth.

Yes we are an arrogant self important lot. When it comes to survival, the cockroach seems to be the world champ.

**Silent Orchestra** · 23-11-2007, 04:17 PM

The scorpion & the spider do okay, too.

Mankind's days are numbered, regardless of what we do. I fear people are taking their eye off the ball. I think the biggest dangers we face are going to come from elsewhere.

**Norton** · 23-11-2007, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

biggest dangers we face are going to come from elsewhere

And that would be the big rock from the sky? Dinosaurs had a tough go of it last time it happened.

**Silent Orchestra** · 23-11-2007, 04:28 PM

^

Could be. More likely some maniac will push the button.

**Jet Gorgon** · 23-11-2007, 04:46 PM

^ I like the Martian theory, cept Martians from another solar system now.

**Silent Orchestra** · 23-11-2007, 04:51 PM

Martians landing has more credibility than this climate change racket.

**Jet Gorgon** · 23-11-2007, 04:53 PM

^ I have seen them...

**Silent Orchestra** · 23-11-2007, 04:55 PM

Oh dear...

**AntRobertson** · 23-11-2007, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

Martians landing has more credibility than this climate change racket.

Originally Posted by Silent Orchestra

I am prepared to admit that co2 in the air is responsible for warming up the planet

They walk amongst us, preparing for invasion. Denialists will be the first to be enslaved.

**Dalton** · 23-11-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I have seen them...

Did they abuse you ???

**Silent Orchestra** · 23-11-2007, 05:11 PM

Co2 is good for the planet.

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