Well said mate!
Like them.
Hate them.
Respect them.
Trust them
Distrust them
Love thier Culture
Wish I had stayed at home
Think the 'Smiles are really 'Sneers' mostly.
Realise they hate our guts, but love our money.
There are thousands of falang immigrants to Thailand. I see from other posts of yours that you have issues with this, but there are thousands working in Thailand who have no intention of leaving the country, there are thousands on retirement visas who have no intention of leaving, there are thousands who are there illegally.Originally Posted by EmperorTud
Have you seen how the immigration restrictions to the UK keep getting tighter? Even Citizenship does not mean they can't deport you if they want to enough. You say in the following post that for permanent residency you will need to speak some Thai and know some cultural idioms; have you heard of the Life in the UK test?
Regarding McDonalds, I made no comment about who owned it, just that some foreigners crave it. So it's used predominantly by the 65 million Thais - no shit, I'd never have guessed it.
And who run Thailand now if not the chinese ?Originally Posted by EmperorTud
BTW my wife is chinese and her father was given the option to change his family name to a thai one more than 35 years ago, and he have now a flourishing aircon business in BKK.
Thailand is now colonised by chinese immigrants.
There are thousands of falang immigrants to Thailand.
No there isn't.
I see from other posts of yours that you have issues with this, but there are thousands working in Thailand who have no intention of leaving the country, there are thousands on retirement visas who have no intention of leaving, there are thousands who are there illegally.
Once again, non-Immigrant visa means, wait for it... YOU ARE NOT AN IMMIGRANT!
The clue is in the name of the visa!
It doesn't matter what you care to think or what you want to believe; if you are on a Non-Immigrant or a tourist visa or even illegally you have not emigrated to Thailand.
Neither is it important what your intentions even if you are here as a retiree (Non-Immigrant again) you are still a temporary resident for purposes other than tourism.
I am stating plain facts here, I don't have issues with anything as I have no desire to even achieve permanent residency let alone become a Thai citizen.
I am under no illusion (or should that be delusion?) as to my status here!
Have you seen how the immigration restrictions to the UK keep getting tighter? Even Citizenship does not mean they can't deport you if they want to enough. You say in the following post that for permanent residency you will need to speak some Thai and know some cultural idioms; have you heard of the Life in the UK test?
I thought we have established that there are millions of immigrants in the UK that have equal rights as the indigenous population? Something that isn't true about Thailand (Chinese notwithstanding).
I notice you completely avoided my point about the limits on Westerners becoming Thai citizens. We are talking about limits in the hundreds here not thousands or tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands as the UK has absorbed in the last few years alone.
Your constant banging on about the UK baffles me as they have been very receptive to Immigrants while Thailand is anything but.
Two different case scenarios but you are ferreting up the wrong trouser leg if you think Thailand trumps the UK in regards Immigration law and acceptance of newcomers.
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Mortals you defy the Gods, I sentence you to travel among unknown stars, until you find the Kingdom of Hades, your bodies will stay as lifeless as stone.
ET is no fool. Agree with everything he's said........
Only today, a Thai teenager in Tesco looked me in the eye with SUCH HATRED it sent a shiver down my spine.......so much for LOS!
^ he was probably a store detective LD. Next time try for something smaller than a frozen turkey
I don't recall us establishing that at all, but apart from the imprtant difference that the Government can change their mind if they commit a major crime I will go along with it.Originally Posted by EmperorTud
First, I suspect we will have to agree to differ on the definition of an immigrant, mine follows the standard dictionary definitions of a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence the Government classification is up to them, but what is an illegal immigrant if not someone who does not conform to the Government's definition? I'm sure there are many retirees in Thailand who quite rightly view themselves as immigrants, regardless of their current legal status.Originally Posted by EmperorTud
What's the obsession with Citizenship? My original post was about looking at how the UK population treated and viewed immigrants to the UK. If you want Citizenship, yes it is relatively easy to obtain once you are legally resident in the UK. In contrast, short or long term stays for UK citizens to Thailand are far easier than vice versa, to the point where even close family are often refused visas.
First, I suspect we will have to agree to differ on the definition of an immigrant, mine follows the standard dictionary definitions of a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence
You did not migrate if you are on a tourist visa or Non-Immigrant visa.
You are not a permanent resident if you don't have permanent residency.
Note that when you do get permanent residence your visa status changes to an Immigrant Visa in Thailand.
Pretty self-explanitory.
the Government classification is up to them,
The Government classification is your status in Thailand.
but what is an illegal immigrant if not someone who does not conform to the Government's definition? I'm sure there are many retirees in Thailand who quite rightly view themselves as immigrants, regardless of their current legal status.
I'm sure there are many retirees that think they are God's gift to women with a women half their age on their arm but that doesn't necessarily make it so.
Doesn't matter what you view yourself. You have to face the truth of the matter and for some reason you seem to have a difficult time doing so.
^^ Sorry, Big Red. Agree with Emperor Tud here. Most of us have non-immigrant visas - regardless of how long we've been here. That means we are not immigrants. Full stop.
I personally know of one British person who has managed to get permanent residency here. Every other foreigner I know is still subject to renewing visas, leaving the country, visiting immigration, renewing WPs etc. Some of those have been here for 20 years, speak Thai & are married to Thais. We are not (for the most part immigrants), I guess we are guests.
Whatever we can say about the Thais, their culture and their country, at the end, long term "guests" are in Thailand because they like it here.
If Thailand sometimes makes it a bit difficult for foreigners to stay, they sure never made it difficult for them to leave.
So admit it, you like it here...![]()
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Very well in comparison with most other countries in the world. Even more amazing is that the UK is one of the most densely populated countries in the western world and the last thing we really need is more people.Originally Posted by BigRed
The Uk needs younger workers, and immigrants supply that need. The economy has always benefitted from influxes of immigrants.
The fuss about illegal immigrants is that the government has no control over them. Obviously, they do not want thousands of non-qualified workers flooding into the UK, they want people with some skills, like nurses, carpenters etc
Thailand, on the other hand, has plenty of younger citizens, has no need for foreigners without some special skills, so is not welcoming.
Making comparisons between Thailand and the west is just a waste of time, they are totally different types of economies and it follows that foreigners are also treated differently. Having said that, the Thais could show a little more compassion to those immigrants who are married to Thais and wish to live their lives in Thailand without bureaucracy chasing them.
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^ Why should I want to debate it? You have your views based on your personality, experiences, inbuilt prejudices, upbringing etc, as do I. What is there to debate?
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