Thread: My family roots, one side clear the other side dark.

Originally Posted by sabang

Would be nice to catch up, if I'm ever up your way (NW?) and set the world right, again. With wine.

I'm in the Home Counties, Hertfordshire, 30 minutes from Central London.

Thanks Mods for removing all that daft shit from my thread.

There is a kiddies sand box to play in for those so inclined.

Originally Posted by Dillinger

^^^ you had me at whiskey

Don't forget the father of medical cannabis Limerick man William Brooke O'Shaughnessy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willia...%27Shaughnessy

Limerick ?

There was a young man named O'Shaughnessy........



A lot of my ancestors came from Dublin and Cork.

Begorrah !

No one knows where the Limerick originated it is thought to have originated in France. Limerick (pronounced Lim rick) was the name change given by the British, probably because they couldn't pronounce Luimneach (pronounced Lim nok hard 'k') the Gaelic name of the Treaty City

Stab city it was called when I lived there.

I had a stall in the old Milk market for a while, that was a brilliant market!

The knackers would get around trying to pinch things but my little bitch kept them on their toes.

It still gets called that. I'm from Limerick but I left when I was twenty two, a long time ago.
The milk market has undergone a renovation and is still going. I used to drink in the office bar opposite the market. The knackers are probably still there though.

I lived just out of Limerick, Newport, County Tip. It was lovely out there.

I'll get over there again in time, I much enjoyed Ireland.

Was the Office on the corner?

I know Newport very well. I have lot's of friends from around the area. Yes the Office was on the corner. I hear it's been changed into one of those super pubs, pity it was a great place for a pint and a sneaky smoke out the back.

Originally Posted by rebbu

I know Newport very well.

Great to remember about our past and particularly our distant past.

In fact I reckon our ancestors lived in a better world without the hatred and spite which was once again demonstrated by the [at][at][at][at] who drove a truck through a celebrating crowd of people in Nice today.

I doubt the IRA or any other similar group targeted children and innocent people in their quest to make their point.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

In fact I reckon our ancestors lived in a better world without the hatred and spite which was once again demonstrated by the [at][at][at][at] who drove a truck through a celebrating crowd of people in Nice today.

Yours may have mine didn't. Mine on paternal side ww1 refugees. After parents killed, my grandmother at the age of 14 made her way from an area now part of the Ukraine on foot to France and then on a tramp steamer to Canada with her 8 year old brother. I think my grandfather told the local military draft board to fuck off which in turn resulted in a quick get away to Canada. He never talked much about it. For both absolutely no records they existed prior to arrival in Canada.

On my mothers side some records exit. Grandfather a teacher from Edinburgh Scotland. Migrated to Canada to better himself. Was given 40 acres of land as part of the homestead act. Didn't do well as a farmer so opened a lumber yard in what is now a ghost town. My grandmother also from Scotland. Orphaned after her parents died in the US. No idea how grandfather knew her as she was in North Dakota but he hitched up the wagon, went to ND, wooed her and dragged her back to Canada. Married her and boned her. Not necessarily in that order.

Agree, they didn't have to worry Islamic terrorist but a cursory look at the plight of folks in the 20th century things were much worse.

Thanks Norton for your obviously sensitive and emotional contribution.

We can only share our experiences and you certainly have done so.

In contrast to yourself LT, my Irish roots are actually pretty well defined. My mothers side of the family hails from county Mayo, the issue of two well known clans in the Westport/ Charlestown area. I am a direct descendant of Michael Davitt, an early non-violent Irish republican. I am also descended from an illegitimate liason between a member of the Gallaher (tobacco)family and a serving wench- a union which, of course, was never officially recognised (but financial arrangements were made, to be sure to be sure). Does that mean I'm a bastard?

It is the paternal, 'English' side of the family that is shrouded in mystery really. Granddad was a Welsh Jew, estranged from his family from his late teens due to some mortal conflict with his brother apparently. His family was quite known in the Cardiff/ Newport area (kinda shady). They had come to the UK 2 generations earlier, fleeing some pogrom in Silesia, now part of Poland. It is from him I get my surname naturally- albeit not one of those obvious ones, such as Goldstein, which you instantly know are Jewish. I say that because I share it with several well known people in the UK, including a past Master of the Rolls and Lord Chief Justice, a prominent member of the Bloomsbury literary circle, and a couple of wealthy industrialists. We are all related, albeit distantly.

Anyway, fleeing his family and Jewish roots never to return, Grandpa ended up shacking up with and marrying a slum girl from Birmingham. Here the story is a bit sad- she was brought up by her Grandmother, a violent alcoholic who appeared to resent her very existence on this earth, no doubt due to the embarassment of her birth. She was brought up in the very poorest part of Birmingham, now part of Ladywood- there was actually a book written about it, in which Gran was anecdotally mentioned. As one might well be, a girl who spent much of her childhood sleeping in attics and pigeon coops, and eating rabbits heads including the brain (the family proper consumed the rest of the beast). To this day, we are not entirely sure who her actual mother was, although we think we know. Suffice to say a slattern and a trollop who died young, and was buried anonymously in a paupers grave. We have no idea who her actual father was, and if the mother did she certainly never said. So the trail ends there- neither Gran or Grandad would talk about their family, and are deceased.

Thanks for your contribution mate.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I doubt the IRA or any other similar group targeted children and innocent people in their quest to make their point.

You must be kidding.

I think LT has been blissfully ignorant.

We've got news for you, mate.....

(Sheesh, sometimes I'm seriously embarrassed to have Irish roots).

Oops, I haven't mentioned my Irish family links yet, a long line on my paternal great grandmother's side, all in Wexford, and I married an Irish lass from Sligo, but since divorced, no kids there.

Originally Posted by patsycat

Omagh comes to mind. But, don't forget, the IRA were polite about phoning up two minutes before they exploded their bombs. In that case, i remember they killed a pregnant woman who was expecting twins. Out shopping.

In that case like most others 30 mins was given.
Also the security forces directed folk toward the bomb instead of away from it.

Because the bombers said the bomb was down at the bottom end of the main street not up by the town hall, so which main street, High St or Market St, at the cross pr up the road?.....plus;


"Three phone calls were made warning of a bomb in Omagh, using the same codeword that had been used in the Real IRA's bomb attack in Banbridge two weeks earlier.[30] At 14:32, a warning was telephoned to Ulster Television saying, "There's a bomb, courthouse, Omagh, main street, 500lb, explosion 30 minutes."[30] One minute later, the office received a second warning saying, "Martha Pope (which was the RIRA's code word), bomb, Omagh town, 15 minutes". The caller claimed the warning on behalf of "Óglaigh na hÉireann".[30] The next minute, the Coleraine office of the Samaritans received a call stating that a bomb would go off on "main street" about 200 yards (180 m) from the courthouse.[30] The recipients passed on the information to the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC).[30]

The BBC News stated that police "were clearing an area near the local courthouse, 40 minutes after receiving a telephone warning, when the bomb detonated. But the warning was unclear and the wrong area was evacuated".[31] The warnings mentioned "main street" when no street by that name existed in Omagh, although Market Street was the main shopping street in the town.[28] The nature of the warnings led the police to place a cordon across the junction of High Street and Market Street at Scarffes Entry. They then began to evacuate the buildings and move people down the hill from the top of High Street and the area around the courthouse to the bottom of Market Street where the bomb was placed.[4][28][30][31][32] The courthouse is roughly 400 metres (1,300 ft) from the spot where the car bomb was parked"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_...n_and_warnings

You can't go blaming the RUC or the Brits for that.

It was the RA that killed all those civilian innocents, on a day when they knew the main street (High St or Market St) would be full of parents and kids shopping for school uniforms and books and pencils before the beginning of term the next Monday.

Originally Posted by ENT

You can't go blaming the RUC or the Brits for that.

Still, a lot of suspicion and mystery surrounding that bomb.
My guess is we'll never find out what actually happened on that tragic day.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Still, a lot of suspicion and mystery surrounding that bomb.

Exactly.

There is a history of events of co-ordinated, planned and implemented attacks by factions to redirect blame particularly when loss of life is the end result.

Collateral damage is the term most use when trying to justify their means and globally accepted political position..... Just ask George Bush Jnr.

Originally Posted by ENT

It was the RA that killed all those civilian innocents,

Which ra was that, Sanjay? How are they related to the others?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by ENT

It was the RA that killed all those civilian innocents,

Which ra was that, Sanjay? How are they related to the others?

There's only one RA over there, ......George.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by ENT

It was the RA that killed all those civilian innocents,

Which ra was that, Sanjay? How are they related to the others?

There's only one RA over there, ......George.

I see, the old argumentum ad stultum technique. Hardly surprising you'd fall for that.