Thread: When will they learn?

not much to add to that

there really does need to be a law to stop women riding round on scooters with helmet free babies strapped into a papoose

Different mentality over here JJ. In the west we are bombarded our entire lives with all the bad shit that can happen to you if you are not careful. Most here never get that bombardment so they don't see the danger in everything.

I'm trying to think of a reply that does not call the locals here braindead simpleton retards, or liken their intelligence to that of a simple animal (such as a comment of 'Well you can't train a chicken to put on a helmet everytime they leave their coup, can you, so why would you expect different of Thais')

Quite difficult really.

Fcuk 'em. Let them kill themselves. You won't change them. They think they know better.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Let them kill themselves.

shit moronic attitude

the children aren't killing themselves

and every drink driver poses a risk to us who share their roads

i don't believe for a minute this isn't a problem that couldn't be sorted in a very short period of time

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

You won't change them

a well enforced law would

when i was young everybody drove around pissed

i remember my dad turning his car over into a ditch and walking back hungover the next morning to sort it out

drink and drive in the uk now and the best you'll get is a big fine and a lengthy driving ban..

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

not much to add to that

there really does need to be a law to stop women riding round on scooters with helmet free babies strapped into a papoose

A law....sure.
If that's the case - needs to be severely enforced.
Even in local/neighborhood situations, less a primary roadway.

The common scene * 2-3 children and toddlers unrestrained.

Originally Posted by beazalbob69

Different mentality over here JJ. In the west we are bombarded our entire lives with all the bad shit that can happen to you if you are not careful. Most here never get that bombardment so they don't see the danger in everything.

That's not true. The average 30 years old Thai has probably lost an extended family member, and probably 5 others that they knew in some capacity to road accidents.


Last week I was on my big bike at a u-turn (busy rush-hour) when it was our time to go a local on a scooter jumped out ahead of me and started doing his wiggling victory dance (ass up to me and wiggling from side to side) when he went around a Hilux that suddenly changed into his lane without seeing him or indicating, he was almost wiped out and sent scratching along the curb and just made it out ahead without coming off, then after a second to compose himself started doing the ass/body/scooter wiggling dance again to show that he was still ahead of me.

It's very difficult not to consider many of the locals as being less intelligent than a sack of potatoes while having the emotional difficulties and issues of a 13 year old girl, to be honest.

and let's not pretend this is a cultural issue

i know plenty of foreigners who drive around shit faced because they can get away with it

i also know plenty of foreigners that put their kids on bikes with a yoghurt pot protection at the very best


i once planted my own pretty heavy VFR 400 on top of my body when trying to clamber onto the fukker shiddadled after an evening's entertainment.........fortunately i hadn't got it moving at that point

it's a legal issue

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

shit moronic attitude the children aren't killing themselves

Aren't they? Who's doing it then if they drive below the age limit without a helmet and no understanding of what's right or wrong?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Aren't they?

did you read the OP?

do you think a 1 year old was driving itself to work?

idjut

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

A Thai professor who studied in the US told me it's simply crazy culture!

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

did you read the OP? do you think a 1 year old was driving itself to work? idjut

Are we not talking about Thai culture?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Are we not talking about Thai culture?

i don't think it's a cultural issue at all...i've tried to explain that

it's a matter of legal enforcement

fine the fukkers 10,000 baht on the spot for driving illegally whether that be under aged or drunken driving or carrying a lidless baby on a bike and they'll stop doing it

even the foreigners might wince at the fine

The monks were consulted about which day\date the motorcycle should be bought.
The monks then blessed the motor cycle after it was purchased.
The monks then blessed the motorcyclist and gave him a special piece of white string to wear around their wrist to protect them from all accidents whether it's
their fault or not. This allows said motorcyclist to feel invincible and gives him free license to cause any amount of havoc and chaos on the roads as all responsibility
has been taken from him and is now all in Buddha's hands.....sum num na.

we had both been driving around on motorbikes for 9 years when my wife got pregnant with our first

i didn't ever want to, but had to buy a car

i could just about afford it but grotesquely overpaid

the cost of second hand cars is prohibitive over here

so it's probably both economic and legal...the issue


i think the cultural aspect is minimal

I know what you mean about feeling bad about kids getting hurt. The locals are just as stupid on the roads here, nothing to do with Buddhism, cmn is closer to the reality.

If you hold a kitten by it's legs upside down and drop it - it will land as you dropped it - on it's head.

If you hold an adult cat by it's legs upside down and drop it - it rights itself to land on it's feet in less then half a second.

If you push a very young toddler over from behind it will simply fall on it's face.

If you push an older toddler over from behind it will instinctively put it's hands out to break the fall.

Once old enough to understand basic reactionary physics - animals and humans can protect themselves.

When you come off a bike (and I have many times) a helmet will save you.
Grazes/cuts/broken arms and legs - don't kill you.

When I see them (everyday) with the rider wearing a helmet, but the kids front and back with no protection it makes me angry.

I had to stop caring.

The other day when I picked up my little girl from school (on a bike) one of the top Lumpini police was picking up his daughter too.

No helmet for his daughter.

When the "leaders" of the community are so ignorant - expect nothing from everyone else.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

and let's not pretend this is a cultural issue

i know plenty of foreigners who drive around shit faced because they can get away with it

i also know plenty of foreigners that put their kids on bikes with a yoghurt pot protection at the very best


i once planted my own pretty heavy VFR 400 on top of my body when trying to clamber onto the fukker shiddadled after an evening's entertainment.........fortunately i hadn't got it moving at that point

it's a legal issue

It's a social [extension] issues.
Legalities have really nothing to do with anything.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

It's a social [extension] issues.
Legalities have really nothing to do with anything.

bollux jeff

you have studies to presume this i suppose

Originally Posted by Rural Surin;2663285[/quote

It's a social [extension] issues.
Legalities have really nothing to do with anything.

Agreed. As long as it's socially acceptable, it won't change.

Got nothing to do with intelligence, genes or any such nonsense.
As CMN pointed out, drunk driving was acceptable in his youth - doesn't mean they were all stupid morons.
But it seems fun feeling superior and looking down on Thais, hey guys?

In Europe they have cars that don't start unless you buckle up.

It's a law enforcement issue. Thailand has strict laws for damn near everything. Everything from corruption to traffic laws. Without constant enforcement folks ignore and break.
Conditioned via strict enforcement will change behavior.
I would call it a corruption issue.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Fcuk 'em. Let them kill themselves. You won't change them. They think they know better.

I suppose quite a few may be of the opinion that your attitude stinks ,but from the evidence I have gleaned from many farangs who live locally (including me) we are all of the same opinion, whatever happens by way of an accident its never their fault ,so its impossible for them to learn by their stupid mistakes cos according to them they never make any , the simple fact is why should You ,I or anyone else feel sorrow for these people when they are totally incapable of learning simply because of their "know all" attitude" ,the only way they will ever learn is to keep banging them with heavy fines for their indiscretions .

That's it in a nutshell.