Thread: Black people reduce bread basket of Africa to disfunctional bankrupt state.

Originally Posted by Toby451

Africans are different - they are tribal.

and groups of tribes tend not to turn into successful nation states.

H'mm. watched the Premier League recently (nah, not the boring game- the supporters). We're all tribal- it's just a matter of degree.

Should we really be surprised that a group of people who were launched pretty much straight from a hunter/ gatherer subsistence culture to a currency based market economy, are going to have difficulty assimilating? Similarly, should we be surprised that cultures that had developed a tradition and history of trading (and hence, specialisation), and a medium of exchange (currency) have found it a lot easier to adjust to our imposed western style liberal democracy & free market trade sector than nomadics and subsistence gatherers?

We had the slight leap on them of proceeding via foreign colony status, absolute monarchy, feudalism, aristocracy, and laissez faire capitalism in our ascent from itinerant tribes to liberal democrats. But it remains the fact even in our society that a small proportion of it's members own or control the vast majority of it's wealth, and also that there is a stark difference in this wealth distribution along ethnic (so tribal) lines. The djoo's and the chinee prosper wherever they go, blacks rarely so. Our society rewards it's merchant class well, perhaps too well. The brits were indeed a nation of shopkeepers- and that is why they became the richest.

It takes a long time for loose 'coalition' of tribal nations to become remotely democratic or free trade oriented, or a society as we know it. Effectively, in the process of dismantling colonialism and it's structures, we caused most African countries (that we generally created) to go backwards.

what did he just say

Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter

what did he just say

You're inferior because you don't understand it.

He said the blacks are backward because the whites fcuked up.

It takes a long time for loose 'coalition' of tribal nations to become remotely democratic or free trade oriented, or a society as we know it. Effectively, in the process of dismantling colonialism and it's structures, we caused most African countries (that we generally created) to go backwards.

It's not in their blood to exist in higher/bigger social structures called countries

The REAL damage we did was give them our technologies and "Boom Sticks".

A people who don't have the mental capacity to think up such inventions should NEVER have access to them.

Instead of tribes with spears, we have tribes with AK-47s
Same with the Thais and internal combustion powered vehicles!!!

Originally Posted by leemo

He said the blacks are backward because the whites fcuked up.

Ethiopia and Liberia never colonized. Hard to blame "whites" for their less than stellar economic performance. Ethiopia PPP, 168th of 180, Liberia, 179th of 180.

^ Ethiopia was colonized (briefly) by the Italians and Liberia was subject to American interference from its inception but that's hardly the point; you don't have to be a colony (in the formal sense) to be handed the shit end of the stick by the IMF and the World Bank.

Should we really be surprised that a group of people who were launched pretty much straight from a hunter/ gatherer subsistence culture to a currency based market economy

On some reckonings, Mansa Musa, the 14th century rule of Mali, was the richest man who ever lived. Much as it flatters white men to think the rest of the world were savages (evil, for the racists, or noble, for the liberals) prior to the arrival on the scene of whites, it's a fantasy.

Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter

The REAL damage we did was give them our technologies and "Boom Sticks".

"We"; "our"?

Claiming credit for something you contributed precisely nothing to and are associated with only by an accident of birth.

And incidentally "Boom sticks" weren't 'yours' to give anyway being that they're a Chinese invention.

Originally Posted by leemo

He said the blacks are backward because the whites fcuked up.

Or, perhaps the whites fcuked up what was given to them by the blacks....

Originally Posted by Norton

Not sure there is a point here other than "blacks" are of lessor intellect than "whites"...



...Africa lacks education. Nothing to do with "intellect".

Conversely it seems that racism is linked to lack of intellect:

There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.

The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults...

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice | Racism, Bias & Politics | Right-Wing and Left-Wing Ideology | LiveScience

Originally Posted by barbaro

But has this person in the shirt lived in Africa? If so, he worked for some NGO that paid a good per diem.

That comment is dumb on so many levels it's actually, ironically enough, quite mind-boggling.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by leemo

He said the blacks are backward because the whites fcuked up.

Or, perhaps the whites fcuked up what was given to them by the blacks....

Was Africa the source of the first piston powered steam engine that you were alluding to then?

Farm or indeed mine output does seem to be lower when indigenous Africans assume control of resources, but I'm sure Afro-apologists will come up with very good reasons for this.

Originally Posted by barbaro

Originally Posted by ShrewedPunter

I know the intent of this t-shirt. Da humans cam from Africa, so we're "all African" and we should get along or not dislike each other.

Fair enough on that point and message.

But has this person in the shirt lived in Africa? If so, he worked for some NGO that paid a good per diem.

Sadly Africa seems rough in many areas. I don't understand how farming in certain countries in Africa seems to be done poorly.

Mansa musa gained his wealth through innovative thinking, hard work, efficient industry did he? That you even use him as an example displays very weak thinking.

What? My post was in response to the bit about hunter-gatherers (surprisingly enough, that's why I quoted it). You don't get to be the richest man in the world heading a massive trans-Saharan trade in gold and salt by being a hunter-gatherer. I had thought that was fairly self-evident and not in need of explication. I was wrong. As usual, I failed to account for the astonishing stupidity of some posters.

yeah it takes a lot of hard work to be born on top of a rich seam of gold doesn't it? As to stupidity you seem to have been born with a rich seam of it, congratulations on your good fortune

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

Mansa musa gained his wealth through innovative thinking, hard work, efficient industry did he? That you even use him as an example displays very weak thinking.

What? My post was in response to the bit about hunter-gatherers (surprisingly enough, that's why I quoted it). You don't get to be the richest man in the world heading a massive trans-Saharan trade in gold and salt by being a hunter-gatherer. I had thought that was fairly self-evident and not in need of explication. I was wrong. As usual, I failed to account for the astonishing stupidity of some posters.

In addition to being the richest man ever, he could also have been the most indolent and the most fortunate; it doesn't make the slightest difference to my post.

Originally Posted by nevets

Every one should know by now that the Black African situation is a scam, its been
going on from when i was in Sunday school and i am now 61 . Miliens of £$ have pourd in to that continant an it is still the same as when i was 6 so why hasnt the situation changed why are they still allowing these despots to run the countrys and pocket all the money, why.

Because peace mongering morons won't let guys like George Bush knock off the scum. The worlds armies could sweep the continent clean in a month.

Originally Posted by socal

won't let guys like George Bush knock off the scum.

Georgie loves them.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

In addition to being the richest man ever, he could also have been the most indolent and the most fortunate; it doesn't make the slightest difference to my post.

using a man born on top of gold in the ground as an example means your post proves nothing.

Anyway, Africa invented irrigation, trigonometry and hence navigation, the solar calendar, and paper, off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by sabang

Anyway, Africa invented irrigation, trigonometry and hence navigation, the solar calendar, and paper, off the top of my head.

I think the Indus valley was irrigated before that.

using a man born on top of gold in the ground as an example means your post proves nothing.

Hmm. Are you stupid, a troll, or both? In the unlikely event that you're just stupid: the Malian Empire is a perfectly good example of an African trading civilization (and hence, by definition, a group who weren't hunter-gatherers) which was in existence long before whites arrived. If you still can't understand this astonishingly simple idea, I'm afraid you'll have to ask your designated key-worker for help.