You can do it. Hell, you're stronger than me if you can go cold turkey. I had to use the gum and electronic cigarettes as a crutch. Anyways, way to go man! Keep it up.
And Ent,
My thoughts:
I don't think the Chantix/Champix worked for me. It is supposed to block the receptors in the brain for nicotine, which would mean that there would be no cravings. Many people who have taken it before told me they had no cravings, and smoking made them sick. For me, that didn't happen. So I think that I may be one of those that Chantix/Champix may not work for, or I may need a higher doseage. Like other drugs in smaller dosages don't usually work for me. I wanted to try the Lobelia to see if I just took a larger dose of the active ingredient if I would loose all cravings. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find the plain leaf where I live. I would have to buy the plant and then cultivate it, and then pull the leaves...etc. So, I have not tried it yet.
Because I still had cravings I needed the nicotine gum and the electronic cigarettes. The nicotine gum did/does give you the nicotine feeling. But it's not quite the same, and the gum is more expensive.
What I really missed from smoking was the "burning" sensation on the lungs and throat. What helped me was the electronic cigarettes, because it does give you that burning sensation (and gives you nicotine).
Before, all you could get where the e-cigs that you had to buy the manufacturer's cartridge before (like blu or Xhale e-cigs). Those were getting expensive. I guess there was a new generation (look up eGo-T) of electronic cigarette that you can add your own nicotine juice for. The E-cig was $22 and the juice was $4.95 (and the bottle lasts at least a week for me). That helped alot to cut the cravings.
The first time I quit smoking was after I had to have my gallbladder removed, and I was stuck in a hospital bed on demoral. The demoral really overpowers the nicotine craving (it is synthetic morphine), and the gallbladder surgery cut through my stomach muscles so that it hurt to sit up. As a result, I quit smoking. I stayed "quit" for a few years and then I went back to school. What caused me to go off the wagon was that I would smell someone having a cigarette, and it made me miss the sensation. I just wanted the burning sensation every now and then, but to do that you had to buy the pack of cigarettes...and when you have the pack, it makes it easier to smoke.
I think I have that problem beat with the electric cigarettes. I am keeping one available in case I ever have strong cravings. The advantage of the e-cigs is that they are cheaper (like i said, less than $5 for a bottle of nicotine juice), and there is no evidence that it causes cancer, and it doesn't stink, and doesn't make me cough.
Pseudolus, what type of e-cigs did you try? I mean I don't think that they are necessarily "bad"....the "bad" is the soot and carcinogens from actually smoking that causes health problems. Nicotine and water vapor aren't bad for you.
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Sure,one of the bad part of smoking is the soot, ash and tar that clogs up the lungs and act as carcinogens.
Originally Posted by Submaniac
E-cigs are cleaner, give you a nicotine shot, but the harm that nicotine does is to constrict your cardio-vascular and pulmonary system, thus giving you poor blood circulation and a decreased oxygen supply.
Nicotine is a stimulant initially then acts as a central nervous system depressant, a "downer".
Lobelia does the opposite of what nicotine does to your lungs and blood supply, while targetting the same receptors as nicotine does, so that the urge for nicotine is gone.
Champix contains two main active ingredients, and lobeline is the one that really works as a nicotine substitute while the varenicline tartrate acts simultaneously as an anti-depressant, which I think is unnecessary, and probably doesn't really help at all.
Demoral is an opiate, acts on the same receptors as nicotine and lobeline do, so has a similar effect. Only minute doses of lobeline (a small piece of leaf) are needed any time you want a ciggy. Taking nicotine at the same time as lobelia makes you really feel bad, slightly nauseous and dizzy, but by using lobelia instead, the feeling of well-being you associate with smoking results, and a calm sensation follows, no anxiety, or withdrawal symptoms, and it's non-adictive, while nicotine and demoral are.
Only oine small pot of lobelia growing on your window sill or verandah is necessary to give you more than enough lobeline to get over nicotine. It's no problem cultivating at all.
You can also control your own dosage, just keep the amounts small, but take it more frequently if need be.
If you can't get the plant from a garden nursery, leaf and tincture are available on the net or at a herbalists or at some pharmacies, but here are some suppliers;
buy Lobelia Extract organic - high quality Manufacturers,Suppliers and Exporters on weiku.com
Natural Products Insider Buyer's Guide : Ingredient Suppliers : Herbs/Botanicals/Food : Lobelia
Whatever you do, mate, don't give up trying, just QUIT SMOKING!
Good luck.
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