Thread: Punishment for your children

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

So you admit that abusing/beating/slapping your children is a sign of failure then? That actually for a 'competent' parent or teacher there is no need to physically harm a child?

Of course not. Anyone knows that slapping has as much to do with abusing or beating as vinegar has with heroin or cocaine.

I said that parents and teachers all have varying degrees of competency and that every child produces a 'unique' situation.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Falicious argument, it is not a black and white dichotomy.

I presume there's no smiley for fallacious or dichotomy?

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

One can have a good child that is not the victim of violence, just as much as not all bad child are products of 'hippy parenting'.

Of course, but you've been implying that parents who administer punishments are poor parents and that their kids will grow up to be monsters, which is complete nonsense.

Originally Posted by RumpyPumpy

Internet tough guy alert with 40 thousand posts...

You've only got 47 and it's you who's making the alleyway threats.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Of course, but you've been implying that parents who administer punishments are poor parents and that their kids will grow up to be monsters, which is complete nonsense.

Nope, I'm saying, not implying that any parent that physically harms any child is physically abusing them. Nowt more, nowt less.

You, brrrm brrrm and eggsandwich are the ones inventing scenarios, justifications, employing dishonest debating tactics, falsely extrapolating and attacking because I have yet to see one simple argument as to why a child should be the victim of violence based on a parents ego or temper.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

You, brrrm brrrm and eggsandwich are the ones inventing scenarios, justifications, employing dishonest debating tactics, falsely extrapolating and attacking

Course mate. Bringing slavery and rape in to the discussion was very honest and level headed of you!!

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

You, brrrm brrrm and eggsandwich are the ones inventing scenarios, justifications, employing dishonest debating tactics, falsely extrapolating and attacking

Course mate. Bringing slavery and rape in to the discussion was very honest and level headed of you!!

Willy reverting to type again i see, trolling all day and now trying to play the victim.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

I have yet to see one simple argument as to why a child should be the victim of violence based on a parents ego or temper.

That's because nobody said that it had anything to do with ego or temper. You said that. So why would anybody be interested in giving an argument that supports it, when it's you that said it?

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by RumpyPumpy

Internet tough guy alert with 40 thousand posts...

You've only got 47 and it's you who's making the alleyway threats.

Oh the irony.

Obviously you have a sharp mind.

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

You, brrrm brrrm and eggsandwich are the ones inventing scenarios, justifications, employing dishonest debating tactics, falsely extrapolating and attacking

Course mate. Bringing slavery and rape in to the discussion was very honest and level headed of you!!

Are you really that thick or is this just a simple ploy to raise your levels of faux indignation and thus avoid the point altogether?

The justifications used for treatment of slaves and ther treatment of women 50 years ago are exactly the same ones you are using for the treatment of children today.

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

I have yet to see one simple argument as to why a child should be the victim of violence based on a parents ego or temper.

That's because nobody said that it had anything to do with ego or temper. You said that. So why would anybody be interested in giving an argument that supports it, when it's you that said it?

Hillbilly said temper was his excuse, but at least he's man enough to admit it was wrong.

You keep using the MINE, MINE, MINE* argument, which can only be ego.




*your capitals, not mine.

^^But it's completely irrelevant because it's not remotely like for like. My children are minors that I brought in to the world. No matter what way you want to spin it, that has got fuck all to do with someone raping an adult slave 50 years ago.

Nothing you can say can make those two things connected enough for the purpose of this conversation.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Willy reverting to type again i see, trolling all day and now trying to play the victim.

Keep telling yourself that BuriBumsBoys, it's easier than looking inward, innit?

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

I have yet to see one simple argument as to why a child should be the victim of violence based on a parents ego or temper.

That's because nobody said that it had anything to do with ego or temper. You said that. So why would anybody be interested in giving an argument that supports it, when it's you that said it?

Hillbilly said temper was his excuse, but at least he's man enough to admit it was wrong.

You keep using the MINE, MINE, MINE* argument, which can only be ego.

*your capitals, not mine.

So my kids aren't MINE then?? Tell me whose they are then mate and I'll give them back.

Or are they free spirits??

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

^^But it's completely irrelevant because it's not remotely like for like. My children are minors that I brought in to the world.

Indeed. And does that give you the right to physically harm them?

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

So my kids aren't MINE then?? Tell me whose they are then mate and I'll give them back.

Or are they free spirits??

Funnily enough, they are their own people. You donated a gamete, you presumably contribute to their welfare, but they are sentient, they do belong to themselves, they need you to guide and teach and educate them, not harm and hurt them.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

^^But it's completely irrelevant because it's not remotely like for like. My children are minors that I brought in to the world.

Indeed. And does that give you the right to physically harm them?

Good, you're conceding to the irrelevance of raping slaves at last.

To answer the question, yes it does give me the right.

What is your definition of "physically harm"? Do you use the same words for a smack on the leg as a broken arm? Do you differentiate between the two or are they just the same?

What about play fighting, am I allowed to do that? He might get "harmed" by mistake.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Willy reverting to type again i see, trolling all day and now trying to play the victim.

Keep telling yourself that

No need to tell myself as i'm fully aware of what you are, was just pointing out to others who might not be so aware.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Perhaps Willy could share his expertese with the rest of us and advise us how this 6 year old should be dealt with..............

A former American footballer turned PE teacher is suing his employers after he was beaten up - by a six-year-old.
The unfortunate teacher is 27-year-old John Webster, who starred for his college football team before becoming a teacher in the New York borough of Queens.
Webster, who is 5'10" and tips the scales at 15 and a half stone, claims he was beaten up by six-year-old Rodrigo Carpio, who is 4'2" and weighs less than four stone. The teacher was apparently left with a fractured ankle, a badly-injured knee and stress so bad that he had to visit a psychiatrist after being terrorised by the tiny tot.
"It's sort of like an angel-devil sort of thing," Webster told the New York Post.
"(Rodrigo) looks like an angel but then, all of a sudden, that halo turns into horns. It's been a nightmare. It's embarrassing. It's humiliating."
The incident allegedly took place when Webster was escorting several children to the school dining room, with the teacher claiming that Rodrigo started kicking him after being told off for his horseplay.
"I tried to hold his wrists, and he began biting me,'' Webster said. "I took him to the principal's office, and he kicked me in the ankle, and one kick landed right on my knee. I felt a pop.''
Webster has been ordered back to work against his doctor's advice, and is now suing the City of New York since repeated warnings about Rodrigo's violent streak had not been heeded.
"This kid is clearly a tiny terror," said Webster's lawyer Andrew Siben. "It's sad that teachers like Mr. Webster are not offered protection from someone who can endanger other teachers and students."
The headmaster's incident report backs up Webster's claims that he was karate kicked, while the principal was also kicked and pinched, and another teacher and a security guard were also attacked during the lad's rampage.
But Rodrigo's parents are outraged at the lawsuit - despite the boy now being on medication.
"The lawsuit is totally absurd. How could my little boy do so much damage? My poor son," Rodrigo's father Jorge told the New York Post, while his mother Josefa Marcia da Silva was equally upset.
"This is a terrible thing to say (about) a child. To every mother, their child is an angel. I know that he has problems, but he doesn't deserve to be called such names," she said, adding that his medication has helped and that he is back at school.
"He is getting help, and he is much better now."

American footballer turned PE teacher beaten up by six-year-old | World of Sport - Yahoo! Eurosport UK

In that case, I think it's the parents that deserve a slap.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

So my kids aren't MINE then?? Tell me whose they are then mate and I'll give them back.

Or are they free spirits??

Funnily enough, they are their own people. You donated a gamete, you presumably contribute to their welfare, but they are sentient, they do belong to themselves, they need you to guide and teach and educate them, not harm and hurt them.

Wrong hippy dipshit, they're my children and they always will be till the day neither of us are on the planet. Not you or any government will ever change that fact and the fact that desire to do so is a worry.

That in no way what so ever changes how much, or has any relevance to them being "their own people"

Sad that so many so called loving fathers cannot break the cycle of violence, perhaps their children or children's children may.

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

Wrong hippy dipshit, they're my children and they always will be till the day neither of us are on the planet. Not you or any government will ever change that fact and the fact that desire to do so is a worry.

yes, they are your children but they also need the protection of the law, as does anyone

governments can take them away if they feel that a child is being mistreated, however you may protest

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I beat my 13 year old twins all the time.

How charming, Davis.
Keep 'em on their toes.

A good walloping, regularly, just for the hell of it.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

You, brrrm brrrm and eggsandwich are the ones inventing scenarios,

I didn't invent anything.

Originally Posted by EggSandwich

What about play fighting, am I allowed to do that? He might get "harmed" by mistake.

I think you should ensure your child lives on a different continent, just in case.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I think you should ensure your child lives on a different continent, just in case.

What an utterly low, snarky, prick of a comment to make.

Another fine example from a [self-professed] expert on child raising.

^ Holy fuck.

why stoop at beating your children? go one further.

eat them.

bastards.