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Originally Posted by kingwilly

Aaah, thanks for the correction.

A bit of toungue clucking and tut tutting and mental illness is not a joking.....

Anyway, glad to hear Trott is not a nutcase or crazy, just scared of genuine pace.
He can sweep back into the side now and enjoy a nice relaxing summer clocking up runs against Sri Lankan and Paki medium fast bowlers on dead pitches.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

I'm referring to Trott.

Not like a saffa to choke when the going gets tough, is it

He should be the next seth efrican to get kicked out of the team.

I'm also liking Vaugan more and more for having the guts to say things other are afraid to.

Originally Posted by Necron99

He can sweep back into the side now and enjoy a nice relaxing summer clocking up runs against Sri Lankan and Paki medium fast bowlers on dead pitches.

You have to wonder if that was his plan all along. By leaving the tour he kept his batting average in tact..

Matthew Hoggard joins attack on Jonathan Trott's bid for England recall

• Former England paceman backs Michael Vaughan
• Trott targets one-day games in May for England return

• The Guardian, Monday 17 March 2014 13.34 GMT

'Jonathan Trott's use of the words crazy and nutcase is disrespectful and astonishing', says Matthew Hoggard. Photograph: Marty Melville/AFP/Getty Images



Having dealt decisively, if divisively, with the long-running controversy surrounding Kevin Pietersen in this winter of discontent, the England management are now facing another over Jonathan Trott.


The Warwickshire batsman confirmed in an extended interview with Sky on Sunday night, his first since leaving the Ashes tour after the first Test in November because of a condition that was described as stress-related, that he wants to return to international cricket as soon as possible and has targeted the one-day fixtures against Scotland and Sri Lanka in May.


Michael Vaughan, the former England captain who was heavily critical of Trott's performance in Brisbane – and then apologetic when the reasons for his departure were explained – has questioned his right to return to the team.


"I feel a little bit conned we were told Jonathan Trott's problems in Australia were a stress-related illness he had suffered for years," Vaughan wrote in the Daily Telegraph. "We were allowed to believe he was struggling with a serious mental health issue and treated him with sensitivity and sympathy. He was obviously not in a great place but he was struggling for cricketing reasons and not mental, and there is a massive difference. There is a danger we are starting to use stress-related illness and depression too quickly as tags for players under pressure.


"I have no doubt he was going through hard times in Australia but as professional sportsmen playing in a high-profile, intense series such as the Ashes against good opposition you are going to endure stress when your form goes. It is part of the job.
"When I hear players talking about burnout, I suspect it is an excuse. You never see players retiring from sport and talking about burnout when they are playing well. It always seems to happen when you are struggling for form and not scoring runs.



That is the stress of playing high-profile sport. You could argue that burnout is more of an issue when you are in form because then you spend longer at the crease under physical and mental duress. The really good players dig in their heels in tough times and come out the other side."


Vaughan added: "What Trott will have to accept is that players in his own dressing room and in the opposition will look at him and think at the toughest of times he did a runner. He did not fight and got on a plane and went home. It is harsh but that is the reality.


"It was wrong for him to brush it off and say England's match against Scotland in May would be a good time to return. Nobody has a given right to get back in the side. It is the England cricket team and he walked out. If he had stayed in Australia he would have been dropped. When a player is dropped he has to earn the right to get back in the side.


"He is a good batsman but England will want to see him score many runs for Warwickshire. I would let him play a full year for Warwickshire."


No one in the England setup has said anything along those lines and all the players were sympathetic and supportive when Trott flew home but whether that would extend to welcoming him straight back for this summer's fixtures must remain a moot point.


Matthew Hoggard, a former Yorkshire and England team-mate of Vaughan who has gone public since retirement with his own problems with depression, expressed his support. "Very interesting thoughts from Michael Vaughan on Jonathan Trott," Hoggard said. "As a whole I would have to agree with him. When Trott came back from Australia citing stress-related issues I think we all automatically thought of depression. Having first-hand experience of the horrible illness to hear Jonathan use the words nutcase and crazy is so disrespectful and coming from a guy that cited mental health issues as the reason he came home astonishing."


Commenting on Vaughan's Telegraph column, Angus Porter, the chief executive of the Professional Crickets' Association said: "The article highlights issues we have with a lack of understanding on mental illness. I'm not an expert and neither is Michael. Each individual case is different and it is wrong to simply try to put cases in convenient boxes.


"From what I was told, Jonathan's decision to return home was the correct one and it is wrong of people to condemn him for that decision. We wish Jonathan well and hope he makes a quick recovery."


The England squad have arrived in Bangladesh for the World Twenty20 and their captain, Stuart Broad, confirmed that he is unlikely to play in Tuesday's first warmup match against West Indies in Fatullah after having an injection in his knee.


Broad hopes to play on Wednesday against India and is confident of being fit to lead the team in their first serious match against New Zealand in Chittagong on Saturday.
"If it was a Test tour it might be more concerning but with only four overs per game I am pretty confident I will be able to play a full part in this World Cup," he said.


Matthew Hoggard joins attack on Jonathan Trott's bid for England recall | Sport | The Guardian

Very poor choice of words from Trott especially after describing how bad things were... he won't win friends with this interview which is exactly what he was trying to do.......

His PR people are fucking useless.....

His batting form was shit before he joined the tour and what happened was no surprise.

I would bring Pieterson back before I allowed this coward back in the side.

Then again I am not a Pom selector and maybe that don't have anyone better.

I think it's a bit unfair to call him a coward, he clearly had issues, if you see the full interview it's quite clear.

It's just the disrespectful way he tries to imply he didn't have any problems after clearly listing that he did.

Trescothick should fucking thump him.....

Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles

I'm also liking Vaugan more and more for having the guts to say things other are afraid to.

agreed.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Very poor choice of words from Trott especially after describing how bad things were... he won't win friends with this interview which is exactly what he was trying to do....... His PR people are fucking useless.....

PR? He's a coward and an arsehole.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I would bring Pieterson back before I allowed this coward back in the side.

Yep.

But there's other issues with him.

England need to move on and build without trying to hold onto some of these blokes.

Yeah.... you'd all still like to think it was those tough guys Warner and Johnson.....

Did you actually see the interview??.... be honest now...... Reading a short article that was written with an angle taking a few quotes out of context isn't the same thing at all......

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Very poor choice of words..

His PR people are fucking useless.....

Yep. He should hire Warner's

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Yeah.... you'd all still like to think it was those tough guys Warner and Johnson.....

Clarke is our tough guy.

The way he batted though Morkel's 150kph body and head blows, then scored an extra hundred with an injured shoulder is the tough grit that separated Australia from other teams for years. As opposed to chickens who cluck off home when things get tough.

This is prolly due to many Australian cricket legends being from working class backgrounds, and not private school nancy boys.

I hear Cook chose cricket over a career playing the clarinet

Yes..... Michael Clarke would never leave a tour early for personal reasons leaving his team mates in the lurch would he?

Watching the full interview now. Not finished yet, but he is now talking how great it was to take a break and go and watch the super bowl in NY (meanwhile his team mates were scrambling around trying to deal with real fast bowling). Nobody suffering depression would have done that!!

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Yes..... Michael Clarke would never leave a tour early for personal reasons leaving his team mates in the lurch would he?

Yep. You got me there.

But at least he was honest about it.

His girl was tarting around, and he went back to flush the ring down the toilet.

cricinfo comment

Posted by Thegimp on (March 18, 2014, 8:22 GMT) English cricket needs to apologise to Warner. They were quick to jump on him when he called Trott soft when in actual fact he was right!!!

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Did you actually see the interview??.... be honest now...... Reading a short article that was written with an angle taking a few quotes out of context isn't the same thing at all......

Fair call, no I haven't, but I have read several articles, including the quotes from his team mates, and they are not well pleased.

Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles

This is prolly due to many Australian cricket legends being from working class backgrounds, and not private school nancy boys.

OI! Settle down !

Originally Posted by kingwilly

On second thoughts faking a mental illness to run away and leave your mates in it and then making fun of people with real illnesses just makes him a cvnt.

Pretty much.

He's certainly not the brightest pixel.

Hard to think of anything he could have said to make himself look worse, really.

And I'm a Warwickshire supporter.

He should be left with the bears for the season imo.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

including the quotes from his team mates,

Which team mates?

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles

This is prolly due to many Australian cricket legends being from working class backgrounds, and not private school nancy boys.

OI! Settle down !

Sorry bout the nancy boy comment if you went to a private school willy, but traditionally, the Australian team has had more players from working class backgrounds.

No as much these days though.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Originally Posted by kingwilly

including the quotes from his team mates,

Which team mates?

Doesn't mention names, but pretty sure the current players would not be allowed to express their opinions in public..

As Trott bid goodbye to his teammates, a few were critical of him leaving the team at a time of strife. Trott said later that it was the best decision he’d taken, but admitted he feared for his career. “I thought I’m not sure I can continue to do this,” he said. “But Andy Flower said ‘Just be careful on making huge decisions straight away, in the heat of the moment.’ Those were very wise words.”

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by kingwilly

On second thoughts faking a mental illness to run away and leave your mates in it and then making fun of people with real illnesses just makes him a cvnt.

Pretty much.

He's certainly not the brightest pixel.

Hard to think of anything he could have said to make himself look worse, really.

And I'm a Warwickshire supporter.

He should be left with the bears for the season imo.

The quote in the interview on how to took his family to NY to watch the super bowl and travel around the US really surprised me. Certainly not something a person with a stress related illness would do - and not something who was suffering from exhaustion would do either. I took my ex and little kid to Australia for 2 weeks a while back, and traveling with a young family can be pretty fricking exhausting in itself! - stinks of selfishness!

Originally Posted by kingwilly

I reckon Bob might owe you an apology now, Wally. Telling you off for making light of Trott's mental illness.

To be fair I think we have the next shit bloke. ..

As Necron says, he was the one calling him brittle, but even before Warner said it, I did mention that Trott looked scared when facing Johnson.

Turns out I was right.

Bob??

From Vaughan

Tough fast bowling is not nice. You have sleepless nights. I had them over facing Waqar Younis, Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar. You worry you will be embarrassed or could get hurt. But you have to accept it. If it goes wrong you get dropped, go away and become a stronger player.
Joe Root lost form in Australia. He tried to fight through it but was dropped. Matt Prior lost his place after three Tests. I am sure he would openly admit he went back to his room and broke down on a couple of occasions. But he accepted his fate, said he would come back fitter and stronger but more importantly stayed on tour.
What Trott will have to accept is that players in his own dressing room and in the opposition will look at him and think at the toughest of times he did a runner. He did not fight and got on a plane and went home. It is harsh but that is the reality.

Basically, Trott's technical flaws were exposed against quality bowling on difficult pitches, and as Vaughan says "he did a runner" instead of working on his flaws and sticking it out - even if he was dropped.