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    Bangkok Post : The race to bag cultural icons

    The race to bag cultural icons

    Thailand risks being left behind as regional rivalry builds to list heritage items
    The ownership of a graceful hand gesture that is part of traditional dance and shadow plays is causing new tensions between Thailand and Cambodia.


    ALL SIAMESE: Thailand’s famous Korat cat, listed in guide-books about Thai cats.

    Both countries lay claim to ownership of the jeeb _ a hand position where the thumb touches the index finger and the three other fingers are splayed out.

    In 2008, Cambodia persuaded Unesco to include Khmer shadow theatre on a list of intangible cultural heritage items. The hand gesture is part of the dance.

    Thailand, however, has yet to ratify the convention allowing it to submit cultural heritage items to Unesco for contention as official intangible cultural items. A Unesco listing results in international recognition from the item, and funding to help preserve it.

    Culture Minister Sukumol Khunploem downplayed reports that Cambodia had ''stolen'' a Thai cultural icon.

    She said a Unesco listing has nothing to do with intellectual property or copyright issues.

    ''It is normal for countries in the same region to share similar cultural traits,'' she said.

    Nonetheless, some academics are worried Thailand could be left behind in the race to register cultural items, as tourist earnings and funds for preservation are at stake.

    They say that if anything can help save intangible cultural heritage items, it is an inscription by Unesco.

    Thailand is drawing up its own list of intangible treasures, which it can submit to Unesco once it has ratified the treaty governing such inscriptions. A list started by the Cultural Promotion Department in 2009 now has 50 intangible heritage items, including the Thai Shadow Puppet Theatre.

    Another 30 items, including famed spicy Thai soup of tom yum kung, Thai-style kites and banana stalk carvings are likely to join them.

    Apinan Poshyananda, director-general of the department, said Thailand needs to tell people what these treasures are and why they are important.

    ''We must be able to explain these to ourselves before entering the race for registration,'' said Mr Apinan.

    Intangible heritage items are based on tradition or, as Unesco puts it, are living expressions inherited from ancestors and passed on to successors.

    These include oral traditions, performing arts, social practices, rituals, festive events, knowledge and skills to produce traditional crafts, and even knowledge and practices concerning nature and the universe, its website notes.

    Unesco says intangible heritage helps maintain cultural diversity in the face of growing globalisation.

    ''An understanding of the intangible cultural heritage of different communities helps with inter-cultural dialogue, and encourages mutual respect for other ways of life,'' it says.

    ''The importance of intangible cultural heritage is not the cultural manifestation itself but rather the wealth of knowledge and skills that is transmitted through it from one generation to the next,'' said Unesco.

    Since 2003, when the Convention for Safeguarding of Intangible Cultural Heritage came into effect, Unesco has listed 16 intangible heritage items in need of urgent safeguarding, and 213 items of intangible cultural heritage of humanity.

    A Unesco listing results in intangible heritage items gaining international attention.

    Resources to help support preservation work usually flow to those countries where the items are based.

    However, some officials regard the process of submitting items for recognition as a ''race'', as Unesco does not approve all applications put to it.

    Cambodia's Royal Ballet and Khmer shadow theatre, or sbek thom, are among intangible cultural heritage of humanity items recognised by Unesco.

    Some scholars are worried Unesco's listing of the Cambodian items could deprive Thailand of the right to list similar treasures including Thai shadow play, or nang yai.

    Mr Apinan said countries can apply to lodge items which are similar, even if not all are successful in gaining a listing.

    Mr Apinan said cultural heritage can cross national borders. Countries in Southeast Asia have shared cultural traits, which explains why Khmer shadow theatre might look like Thai shadow play. Each heritage item evolves with different details that define its value, so has its own qualities to compete for a listing.

    Cambodia's sbek Thom, Thailand's nang yai, and Indonesia's Wanyang puppet theatre, for instance, were influenced by Indian tradition, but have over time evolved to have their own gestures and movements.

    ''We need to be open-minded as we do not suffer any disadvantage. We can always propose our own intangible heritage item,'' said Mr Apinan.

    But Thailand cannot nominate items for a Unesco listing because it has yet to ratify the convention.

    The Culture Ministry is preparing papers for the cabinet and parliament to allow the country to join the convention.

    The ministry has also drafted legislation to help safeguard the country's intangible heritage.

    Under the bill, a national committee for safeguarding intangible heritage treasures will be created, and a fund set up to support the work.

    The department has allocated a budget to help safeguard local treasures. Each province gets only 40,000 baht.

    State agencies have to find other ways to raise funding, including organising cultural fairs.

    ''Intangible heritage is actually the world's heritage. We should try to preserve it,'' said Mr Apinan.

    Phrakhru Phitaksilapakhom, an abbot of Wat Khanon in Ratchaburi province, where Thai Nang Yai Puppet Drama is based, and which won a Unesco award for safeguarding intangible heritage in 2007, said a Unesco listing would help the world recognise the treasure.

    However, local people can help sustainable cultural preservation even more, he says.

    Intangible heritage is prone to degradation and could become extinct without efforts by local people to preserve it.

    ''If people know about their culture, they will appreciate it and want to preserve it naturally.

    ''It cannot be done merely by listing it in reports,'' said the abbot, who has opened a community centre to pass on knowledge of the Shadow Puppet Drama to young people.

    ITEMS ON LAST YEAR'S POPULAR THAI INTANGIBLE HERITAGE LIST

    1. Muay Thai boxing

    2. Guide-books about Thai cats

    3. Thai numbers guide-books

    4. Spirit chanting books for Thai buffaloes

    5. Spirit chanting books for rice

    6. Spirit chanting books for ordaining monks

    7. The Khun Chang Khun Phan folk tale

    8. The Sri Thanon Chai folk tale

    9. Buddha sculpturing

    10. Likay musical folk drama
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Drat!

    Didn't they just drop out of UNESCO?

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    Defending Thai culture

    Defending Thai culture

    By The Nation
    Published on September 1, 2011

    To prevent foreign countries registering Thai culture and local wisdom, a bill to protect Thailand's intellectual property and copyright will be supported under a Unesco Intangible Heritage protocol, Culture Minister Sukumol Kunplome said yesterday.

    In a coming meeting, the Foreign Ministry will be invited to discuss the pros and cons of Thailand being a signatory to the Intangible Heritage protocol under the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation.An internal meeting will be held between the ministry's leadership and its Cultural Promotion Department to study the subject further, she said.

    A list of Thailand's items and cultural signatures will be announced tomorrow before the bill, after consultation with the Foreign Ministry, is submitted to the Cabinet for initial approval this month, Sukumol said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    a bill to protect Thailand's intellectual property and copyright will be supported
    Oh, the irony!

    Copyrights Aren`t Right In Thailand - Chicago Tribune

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    Got all excited for a moment. Thought you were talking about Michael Flatley's Mob.

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    Thailand should copyright corruption and that pingpong show.

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    Ministry registers another 30 items

    Ministry registers another 30 items

    By The Nation
    Published on September 3, 2011

    Up to 30 traditional beliefs, cultural rituals and plays were registered by the Culture Ministry in a move to further comply with the Unesco's Intangible Heritage protocol and prevent infringement by foreign countries.

    The 30 items are among the 80 registered over the past two years, Culture Minister Sukumol Kunplome said during the registration ceremony held in Bangkok yesterday.

    The items are divided into six categories: shows and plays; original crafts; traditional tales; traditional sport; social and cultural practices and rituals; and traditional food and recipes.

    Under sport, takraw and kite flying were registered, while traditional delicacies included phad thai and tom yam kung. Thai massage and traditional exercise routine ruesee dad ton were listed under a special category covering treatment and alternative medicine.

    The Cabinet will be endorsing the registration next week. The ministry will also seek advice from the Foreign Ministry over the practices and regulations, before Thailand signs the Intangible Heritage protocol with the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation in the near future.

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    Pad Thai is Vietnamese, takraw is Malay. Kite flying is European.

    Ha, ha, they're panicking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
    Kite flying is European.
    Aka Chinese - 2,800 years ago? Indonesian before that - according to a couple of aficionados? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite

    Can't wait to see Thailand lay claim to/register all the chilli varieties - and never mind the Portuguese who first introduced them to Siam.

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    Intellectual Property Department Promotes Registeration of Thai Wisdom

    UPDATE : 5 September 2011 The Intellectual Property Department has called on related organizations to register local Thai wisdom in a database to perserve Thai heritage.

    The department is also prepared to draft a law to protect them as well.

    Intellectual Property Department Director Patchima Tanasanti said Thai local knowledge have been taken advantaged of by foreign businessmen, such as global pharmaceutical businesses, which are registering Thai products as their own without giving notice to Thai authorities.

    Thailand has been losing a great number of benefits, including massive revenue, because it had not taken full advantage of intellectual property rights.

    The department is requiring relevant agencies to collect and register all local Thai wisdom into an official database to protect the interest of those who created the local knowledge.

    If the foreigners are going to use Thai local knowledge, they have to negotiate for the rights to it and share the benefits with owners.

    The director added that it is necseesary to draft specific laws of protection that specifically address this matter and set up an official department to administer the benefits as well.
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    “.....the world will little note nor long remember what we say here....."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TANN
    Thailand has been losing a great number of benefits, including massive revenue, because it had not taken full advantage of intellectual property rights.
    Thailand - hub of irony.....

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    It would seem that the Thais just aren't intellegent enough to take advantage of their own intellectual property rights.

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    I was kidding re the kites up there, Steve.

    The problem the Thais have, regardless of whether they register things before or after others, is that as a relative new comer to SEA, they just don't have bragging rights. They're the youngsters on the block, everything (well, most everything) was here before they got here.

    They've got what they brought with them from wherever they came.

    Maybe designs of their prasinhs? Those golden elephants on light blue? Or those woodfrogs or something like that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveCM
    The department is requiring relevant agencies to collect and register all local Thai wisdom into an official database to protect the interest of those who created the local knowledge.

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    That deserved a Green

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Muffinman View Post
    It would seem that the Thais just aren't intellegent enough to take advantage of their own intellectual property rights.
    Are you Thai?

    'intellegent' - wtf?

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    I just imagined a couple of Thai ministry officials sitting around drinking lao khao at a food style trumping one another's ideas

    "Alaiwaaaaa...prik..mai..mai..mai....katoey... ..
    ookaaaaayy..uh.uh.uh.....Kaphom khapom....laagao Luk ting chai....uh..uh..uh...sed yerd...laagao motocai......mmmm"

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    It seems the Thai's are the greatest - - - at blowing hot air that is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceburat1 View Post
    It seems the Thai's are the greatest - - - at blowing hot air that is
    and sperm

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