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    Quote Originally Posted by KAPPA View Post
    Seek immediate medical help. DO NOT make a person throw up unless told to do so by Poison Control or a health care professional.

    But if you can't talk to a poison control center then consider this information available on the same cite Kappa cited:

    What to Expect at the Emergency Room

    The health care provider will measure and monitor the patient's vital signs, including temperature, pulse, breathing rate, and blood pressure. Symptoms will be treated as appropriate. The patient may receive:
    • Activated charcoal
    • Breathing assistance (artificial respiration) if necessary
    • Laxative
    • Methods to cause vomiting
    • Tube through the mouth or nose into the stomach to wash out the stomach (gastric lavage)" from link cited in previous post
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    (of course, if the patient is not conscious then you can't induce vomiting or give them activated charcoal or anything else by mouth. but, in general, as long as the poison isn't a corosive or an acid, then drink 10 or 20 ml of hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting, then swallow several handfuls of activated charcoal--or an entire bottle or two or three--up to 3 ounces for an adult, or over 150 capsules (at 500 mg per capsule)--and then make your way to the hospital. If you had to choose between vomiting and charcoal--choose the charcoal.

    Sometimes you have to deal with a poisoning situation yourself rather than waste precious minutes or hours trying to find a doctor, which, even if you do, you don't know they will institute the appropriate treatment. I'm still waiting to hear if the doctor who visited the young women in the Downtown Inn gave them activated charcoal. It sounds like all he did was give them an IV drip, which is better than nothing and can be lifesaving in the right circumstances. But activated charcoal can never hurt, and only help, and can be essential to absorb poisons in stomach. Don't wasted time: induce vomiting if possible, but definitely eat activated charcoal, go to a good hospital.)
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    GiT,
    I agree about activated charcoal but the hydrogen peroxide I would not ingest especially if I have been poisoned with an unknown compound.
    Pet stores carry liquid charcoal for pets, I keep that around the house, for them and me.

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    All of a sudden getting nauseous becomes more frightening. Getting sick from something I ate is very common here, happens to me about once every couple of months. Usually takes about 2 hours after I eat, and ends once I've eliminated the food by vomiting or the other way. Last night I was much more concerned than usual when i was hanging my head over the toilet about 2 hours after trying a new restaurant.

    The point of this comment is that these illnesses can easily overtake someone. You do not run off the hospital every time you feel sick. Was very relieved when felt well this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    All of a sudden getting nauseous becomes more frightening. Getting sick from something I ate is very common here, happens to me about once every couple of months. Usually takes about 2 hours after I eat, and ends once I've eliminated the food by vomiting or the other way. Last night I was much more concerned than usual when i was hanging my head over the toilet about 2 hours after trying a new restaurant.

    The point of this comment is that these illnesses can easily overtake someone. You do not run off the hospital every time you feel sick. Was very relieved when felt well this morning.
    I wonder if the six dead thought the same thing?

    This is the advice they have given:

    Those who experience severe sudden multiple vomiting with or without diarrhea, should seek medical attention immediately.
    It sounds pretty straightforward to me. Why take the risk? After all, it's not as if medical attention is free, is it? All you are gambling with is your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    All of a sudden getting nauseous becomes more frightening. Getting sick from something I ate is very common here, happens to me about once every couple of months. Usually takes about 2 hours after I eat, and ends once I've eliminated the food by vomiting or the other way. Last night I was much more concerned than usual when i was hanging my head over the toilet about 2 hours after trying a new restaurant.

    The point of this comment is that these illnesses can easily overtake someone. You do not run off the hospital every time you feel sick. Was very relieved when felt well this morning.
    I wonder if the six dead thought the same thing?

    This is the advice they have given:

    Those who experience severe sudden multiple vomiting with or without diarrhea, should seek medical attention immediately.
    It sounds pretty straightforward to me. Why take the risk? After all, it's not as if medical attention is free, is it? All you are gambling with is your money.
    Funny though; at least at home, when someone follows that kind of advice, the doctors usually label them as paranoid and have that patronizing "I'll look you over while you're here to make you happy" attitude. If I had not felt better this morning , I would have gone to a doctor.

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    Funny though; at least at home, when someone follows that kind of advice, the doctors usually label them as paranoid and have that patronizing "I'll look you over while you're here to make you happy" attitude. If I had not felt better this morning , I would have gone to a doctor.
    I live in a country where they bombard the (free) health care services with so much as a sniffle, so to an extent I can see your point.

    And of course you have to wonder how many CM doctors are up on this case and would do any more than their usual prescribe-about-a-dozen-pretty-coloured-pills treatment.

    But the fact is that the advice is pretty straightforward, so I'd be tempted to get myself down the hospital. And remember that the Kiwi victim was dead within 24 hours of the symptoms arriving. Surely the phrase "better safe than sorry" applies (or actually, "better safe than dead").

    I don't think I'll be affected actually. I don't anticipate going anywhere near things called "food" and "water" during my stay, if previous years are anything to go by.

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    Another mystery death in CM

    Another Sarah Carter-style mystery death in Thailand



    A Frenchwoman has been identified as the sixth person to die in similar circumstances to New Zealander Sarah Carter in Chiang Mai in Thailand this year.
    Carter, 23, became ill last month while staying at the Downtown Inn in Chiang Mai, and died a day later.
    Early reports suggested the cause of her death was toxic seaweed she had eaten, but food poisoning tests proved inconclusive.
    A report by Thailand's Department of Disease Control found Carter was one of three people to die as a result of myocarditis between January 9 and February 4 in Chiang Mai - the others were American Soraya Vorster, 33, and a Frenchwoman aged between 23 and 33.
    An elderly British couple and a 47-year-old Thai woman staying in the same hotel as Ms Carter died around the same time, in similar circumstances.
    Chiang Mai Governor Pannada Disakul said their deaths were coincidence.
    Four young women - among them Carter's friends Emma Langlands, 23, and Amanda Eliason, 24 - also became ill with mild symptoms, the report said.
    In the report the joint investigation team said myocarditis was a well known illness which may result from viral infection, bacterial infection and toxins.
    ''However, four cases among young healthy adults in the same location is rare.''


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/47...th-in-Thailand
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    Do you know who owns this hotel?

    If you do, you'll know why there's going to be no investigation that leads to an embarrassing conclusion.

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    Apparently it's owned by a family man in a red shirt.

    The mystery is; what happened to the rest of the story about the Frenchwoman. Where was she staying, what did she die of etc etc...??

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    you could use that info when you bargain down the price of a few nights stay there !

    Cheers

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    why does not some international new paper get hold of this story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie
    Apparently it's owned by a family man in a red shirt.
    No. It's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    The worst cases of food poisoning that I have ever had around the world have been from 5 star hotels especially in India I'v been out of it for 3 days one time
    - In the 45 years I've been comming to Thailand, the only time that I have gotten sick was after eating rack-of-lamb at the Oriental hotel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    why does not some international new paper get hold of this story
    Agree.
    Where's that Bulldog journalist when he can do something useful ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    Where's that Bulldog journalist when he can do something useful ?
    Recovering from a dodgy seaweed supper.

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    This has already been covered on the other thread. The Thais are now working with the WHO after pressure from the NZ, English and US authorities.

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    What this case needs is some good old fashion tabloid journalism... Where is Drummond when you need him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie
    Apparently it's owned by a family man in a red shirt.
    No. It's not.
    Piss or get off the pot !

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    Chiang Mai Governor Pannada Disakul said their deaths were coincidence.
    Thai-speak for, if we all ignore the problem, the problem doesn't exist.

    Move along now, nothing to see here...

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    CHIANG MAI : The Disease Control Department has asked the World Health Organisation to help examine a series of mysterious deaths in Chiang Mai after the Coxsackie B virus was found in the body of a New Zealand tourist who died there last month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
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    Apparently it's owned by a family man in a red shirt.
    No. It's not.
    Piss or get off the pot !
    well go on then. name and shame..

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    CHIANG MAI : The Disease Control Department has asked the World Health Organisation to help examine a series of mysterious deaths in Chiang Mai after the Coxsackie B virus was found in the body of a New Zealand tourist who died there last month.
    And what a nasty virus it is, i had never heard of it before.

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    As harrybaracuda posted in another thread about this, traces of Coxsackie B virus has been found in one of the victims.

    Its still back to bad housekeeping.

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    well go on then. name and shame..
    It belongs to the Buranupakorn family. One of them is a former mayor of Chiang Mai.

    And it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference, because they are now treating it for what it is, a medical issue.

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    It has made the international newspapers a few weeks ago. I read about it here in Australia and posted about it on my AsianTravelTips website.

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