NZ woman in Thailand food poisoning death

**harrybarracuda** · 09-03-2011, 07:08 PM

Officials also say they can't confirm that food poisoning was the cause of death of New Zealander Sarah Carter.

They say more blood tests are needed from two friends who were travelling with her last month.

Then one suggests they contact the NZ health authorities and provide them with information regarding the tests they require.

Or are they too embarrassed to ask?

Who does own that hotel group anyway? I mean the Downtown is nice and all, but it's not exactly palatial.

**English Noodles** · 09-03-2011, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'll be there in a few weeks and I'll be finding out what happened.

The Thais have really fucked me off on this one. Very sad to see at least two people die in one of my favourite neighbourhoods for the sake of Thai cash, and without a doubt that's what it's about.

I am very, very fucking angry at this.

Get the fuck out of here.

**guyinthailand** · 09-03-2011, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Who owns The Empress Hotel Group?

Somebody must know...

I found the following 'floating' out there on the internet.

"Owning family is Buranupakorn.
The group's five hotels in Chiang Mai - Ratilanna Riverside Resort and Spa, The Empress, The Park, The Small, and Down Town Hotel - have more than 630 rooms in total. In Krabi, it operates Krabi La Playa Resort and The Small Krabi, having a total of 120 rooms. It also owns a residential project in Chiang Mai. "

**harrybarracuda** · 09-03-2011, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'll be there in a few weeks and I'll be finding out what happened.

The Thais have really fucked me off on this one. Very sad to see at least two people die in one of my favourite neighbourhoods for the sake of Thai cash, and without a doubt that's what it's about.

I am very, very fucking angry at this.

Get the fuck out of here.

Why don't you shove it up your well worn arse?

**blue** · 09-03-2011, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by Muadib

Originally Posted by blue

I never heard about that death
its unsubstantiated , just from a forum like here .

I see, just because you have not heard of these deaths means that it didn't happen....

I read another article which stated that a total of 4 people died at this hotel in a 1 week period, all within days of the NZ woman's death...

yes from Bangkok Post
1 . Feb 3 Thai tour guide Waraporn Yingmahasaranont, 47,
2. Feb 18 Sarah Carter, 23,
3 & 4 . Feb 19 George Everly, 78, and Elean Everly, 74,

The other 'death' of an American , was just 'reported ' by a poster , on someones blog .
Me saying i had never heard of it, was just my way of saying its probably bollox

Not only did that post that I found on thailawforum saying a farang had died in Chiang Mai on Jan 11 prove to be correct, it turns out she was a tour guide, as was the Thai woman who died a few weeks later. *Two* tour guides. What are the chances of that being a coincidence?

Is it my imagination or are a high percentage of the victims on Koh Phi Phi and, now, Chiang Mai, are lovely young Western women tourists?

Yes you called that right , Drummond rooted the facts out.

**harrybarracuda** · 09-03-2011, 08:50 PM

"Owning family is Buranupakorn."

Yes they "own" quite a lot.

"It also owns a residential project in Chiang Mai."

No shit.

http://www.compasscm.com/issue/July10/module_back.asp?content=July10/scoop1〈=EN

**peterpan** · 09-03-2011, 09:14 PM

Foreign Minister Murray McCully is demanding answers over the death of Kiwi Sarah Carter in Thailand.
Chiang Mai authorities yesterday said the cause of death for three tourists, including Carter, 23, remains mystery. It was thought she died of food poisoning.
McCully said the reponse from officials was ''less than fully convincing so we are going to ask the appropriate further questions.'' He now wants ''further scrutiny.''
Some further forensic work is still to be done on samples, he said. ''We are looking forward to seeing that too.''
Asked if New Zealand should conduct its own investigation, he said ''lets not get ahead of ourselves.''
'''Let's just ask the questions methodically . It's a very sad case obviously...the obvious questions need to be asked and answered fully.''
Thai officials yesterday said they couldn't confirm food poisoning killed Carter. More blood tests are required from two friends who were travelling with her.
The Wellington woman was one of four guests at a city hotel over a three week period last month.

**Tom Sawyer** · 09-03-2011, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'll be there in a few weeks and I'll be finding out what happened.

The Thais have really fucked me off on this one. Very sad to see at least two people die in one of my favourite neighbourhoods for the sake of Thai cash, and without a doubt that's what it's about.

I am very, very fucking angry at this.

Get the fuck out of here.

Not that I agree with many of his posts, but why should he do that? The situation is an outrage. Who fucking cares who owns it? Perhaps THEY should? no?

Otherwise, I can see this becoming another Economist piece and sadly another weekly is "banned" from sale in LOS.

**guyinthailand** · 09-03-2011, 11:59 PM

MYSTERY DEATHS: Chiang Mai, Thailand 2010

Jan 11, American Mariam Soraya Vorster, a 33-year-old from Seattle working as a guide in Chiang Mai, staying in an as-yet unnamed hotel.

Feb 3: Waraporn Pungmahisiranon found dead in room 516, Downtown Inn

Feb 4: Sarah Carter found sick in room 518, Downtown Inn. She died in hospital on Feb 6

Feb 19: George and Eileen Everitt found dead in room 42, Downtown Inn

below is a quote from MustavaMond from last year regarding unexplained deaths on Koh Phi Phi and Phuket and Krabi, all died around the same time. It is worthwhile to remember all the victims below and to add them to the recent five deaths in Chiang Mai.

Mystery Deaths, Koh Phi Phi, Phuket & Krabi, 2009

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

But I truly believe these women were murdered as were others, all in the same period, in the same region

Let us not forget other deaths (2009);

1) -April 1st, Phi Phi, (BUT NOT at Laleena guest house as was reported earlier, ) Norwegian man Eric Liuhagnen , 48 . The cause has yet to be determined but reported extreme diarrhea. ( Different symptom from later deaths. )

2) -May 1st ; An un- ID'd male foreigner body found in the ocean off Phi Phi .
( Has tattoo of, "Mother" within heart.) Cause of death unknown, was wearing green pants.

3) - May 2nd Phi Phi, females Jill St. Onge, 27,

4) and Julie Michelle Bergheim, 23, extreme vomiting, both died in hospital within 12 hours of symptom onset .

(Two illnessses- recovered, companions of above deceased, male Ryan Kells, 26 and female Karina Refsth, 20. Report extreme vomiting and chemical odor in adjoining rooms at Laleena guesthouse , Phi Phi . )

5) - May 6; A Swiss female , Edis Jungen, 40 was found deceased on the beach in Krabi, ( Krabi is province Phi Phi island is in,) apparently strangled.
She has been agitated and claimed she was in danger before checking out of hotel, found next morning
in shallow water early Thursday by a villager in Ao Nang bay.

6) May 14 Phuket; German man , Ernst Hermannweid, extreme vomiting.
Died en route to hospital, hospital claims " Cholera" within the day- before any autopsy could have possibly been performed .

7) May 21 Caucasian, heavily tattooed man found on Nai Harn Beach, Phuket. Dead approximately 7 days.

8 ) An Iranian Female in Phuket , had visited Phi Phi the day before, extreme vomiting leading to death.

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...-speaks-2.html (Mystery Phi Phi Deaths; Survivor Speaks, Finally)
https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...h-phi-phi.html

**guyinthailand** · 10-03-2011, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

"Owning family is Buranupakorn."

Yes they "own" quite a lot.

"It also owns a residential project in Chiang Mai."

No shit.

http://www.compasscm.com/issue/July10/module_back.asp?content=July10/scoop1〈=EN

So what harrybarracuda is telling us--if you click on his link above--is that the owning family of the Downtown Inn has the same last name as the mayor of Chiang Mai, Tassanai Buranupakorn.

Would a rival to the Buranupakorns "get even", or try and sabotage their business interests by murdering guests in Buranupakorn's hotels?

**harrybarracuda** · 10-03-2011, 12:52 AM

Not that I agree with many of his posts, but why should he do that? The situation is an outrage. Who fucking cares who owns it? Perhaps THEY should? no?

Otherwise, I can see this becoming another Economist piece and sadly another weekly is "banned" from sale in LOS.

I doubt it will make it that far. I and others have been bombarding the relevant authorities asking them to pull their fingers out. Frankly journalists are mostly self serving scum, and Drummond has only commented on this because he's managed to sell a few stories around the world. He has got a family and living to take care of, in fairness.

I don't have those limitations. And bloody oath I will be in there asking questions in a few weeks.

And if name dropping English Noodles doesn't like it, the pompous twat can go and do other medically improbable things to himself, the arse licker.

**guyinthailand** · 10-03-2011, 01:18 AM

If this video link was already posted, apologies. If you haven't seen it, then have a look, it puts some faces to the names.
Mysterious deaths in Thailand - what's going on? - Campbell Live - Video - 3 News

**harrybarracuda** · 10-03-2011, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

If this video link was already posted, apologies. If you haven't seen it, then have a look, it puts some faces to the names.
Mysterious deaths in Thailand - what's going on? - Campbell Live - Video - 3 News

Yes, he was contacted but didn't reply.

**blue** · 10-03-2011, 02:12 AM

Perhaps we have been spoilt watching CSI style crime dramas where the investigators really care about solving the crime and see it as a challenge ,
makes it strange watching these hapless Thai clowns whom you can see just want the whole thing to go away.

why did not the NZ authorities do a post mortem ?

ref the video
what a irritating accent ! don't they realise how weird they sound
how can they imagine that pronouncing the word death - as dith . is cool

**PlanK** · 10-03-2011, 03:31 AM

Pressure's increasing on Thai authorities as relatives in the UK and US join New Zealand authorities in calling for answers over the unexplained deaths of five people.
One of them is Auckland woman Sarah Carter. All five stayed at the same hotel in Chiang Mai.
Bangkok journalist Andrew Drummond says the "coincidence" line being run by authorities isn't washing with relatives of victims.
"I think the fact that the Governor of Chiang Mai, the Head of Police and the Chief Medical Officer of the city turned up together at a press conference to try and allay fears, something which they don't seem to have done, suggests it has become a major political issue," he told Newstalk ZB's Mike Hosking this morning.
Mr Drummond says there have been no post-mortem results at all. Some tests have been sent to the US and Japan for analysis.

America joins the war late (as usual).

Custom made story for a tabloid journo like Drummond. Expect to see lines about about terrified Brit tourists cowering under beds.

**mobs00** · 10-03-2011, 07:10 AM

The authorities are just going to lock up some hill tribe guy for the murders and ......SHAZAAM! Case closed.

**KAPPA** · 10-03-2011, 09:42 AM

And it is reported by a blogger at The Nation this is the same name as the CM doctor performing the post mortem examinations. Buranupakorn.

More from NZ

Mysterious deaths in Thailand - what's going on? - Story - Campbell Live - TV Shows - 3 News

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

I found the following 'floating' out there on the internet.

"Owning family is Buranupakorn.
The group's five hotels in Chiang Mai - Ratilanna Riverside Resort and Spa, The Empress, The Park, The Small, and Down Town Hotel - have more than 630 rooms in total. In Krabi, it operates Krabi La Playa Resort and The Small Krabi, having a total of 120 rooms. It also owns a residential project in Chiang Mai. "

**harrybarracuda** · 10-03-2011, 10:44 AM

And it is reported by a blogger at The Nation this is the same name as the CM doctor performing the post mortem examinations. Buranupakorn.

I wonder if this can be verified, because if it can then there's something quite fishy going on, and I don't mean the soup at Kalare either.

**guyinthailand** · 10-03-2011, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by KAPPA

And it is reported by a blogger at The Nation this is the same name as the CM doctor performing the post mortem examinations. Buranupakorn.

I can't readily find this. Can you provide the link?

**harrybarracuda** · 10-03-2011, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by KAPPA

And it is reported by a blogger at The Nation this is the same name as the CM doctor performing the post mortem examinations. Buranupakorn.

I can't readily find this. Can you provide the link?

Bangkok's Independent Newspaper

But a search produces no results for me.

A manual search produces:

comment 35
Ian date : 09/03/2011 time : 20.15
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

I think you will find that The senior pathologist who cqrried out the autopsy is a member of the Buranupakorn family.

Not quite sure if Dr. Evil here is being serious or just made a glib comment after a couple of sherries.

**guyinthailand** · 10-03-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by KAPPA

And it is reported by a blogger at The Nation this is the same name as the CM doctor performing the post mortem examinations. Buranupakorn.

I can't readily find this. Can you provide the link?

Bangkok's Independent Newspaper

But a search produces no results for me.

A manual search produces:

comment 35
Ian date : 09/03/2011 time : 20.15
Ian's blog

I think you will find that The senior pathologist who cqrried out the autopsy is a member of the Buranupakorn family.

Not quite sure if Dr. Evil here is being serious or just made a glib comment after a couple of sherries.

I click on your link and am taken to a page that doesn't have the word 'pathologist' on it. I see there are about 70 more pages in the blog, but didn't search all of those. Do you have a link that takes you right to the page with the quote on it?

**harrybarracuda** · 10-03-2011, 02:12 PM

I click on your link and am taken to a page that doesn't have the word 'pathologist' on it. I see there are about 70 more pages in the blog, but didn't search all of those. Do you have a link that takes you right to the page with the quote on it?

I went to the Nation's blog page and ended up finding it in the comments on someone's original blog entry.

Media Exposed

Comment #35

Hardly verifiable though.

**KAPPA** · 10-03-2011, 02:54 PM

I trust Ian, the man who wrote it. Shouldn't be hard to check and it wouldn't be a surprise if it's true.
Hold on, I will e mail Ian and get more info .

**guyinthailand** · 11-03-2011, 01:24 AM

Survivor of Thai poisoning gives blood samples

By Stuart Dye 5:30 AM Friday Mar 11, 2011
A survivor of the Thailand poisonings has been asked to supply more blood samples to help uncover the cause of five deaths in six weeks.
Amanda Eliason was left in intensive care after falling ill in a Chiang Mai hotel room together with friends Sarah Carter and Emma Langlands.
The 23-year-old pulled through after undergoing a heart procedure and is now back in New Zealand.
Her father, Peter Eliason, yesterday said Amanda would supply more blood for Thai health officials.
They have said the deaths of Sarah Carter, two other tourists and a local woman are "nothing more than coincidence".
A fifth death, at another hotel nearby, is so far unexplained.
Mr Eliason said that was very difficult to believe and Amanda hoped her blood samples could provide some clues.
"We just want to get to the bottom of it and stop the possibility of it happening in the future.

"When I was over there I asked how many similar cases they had and I was told, 'Not many'.
"You just wonder now what is being covered up."
Amanda, Sarah and Emma became sick in the Downtown Inn in Chiang Mai on February 4. Sarah died in hospital two days later.
It has since emerged that British pensioners George and Eileen Everitt and local woman Waraporn Pungmahisiranon died in similar mysterious circumstances in the same hotel within two weeks of Sarah.
And a fifth woman - 33-year-old America tourist Mariam Soraya Vorster - died three weeks earlier in similar circumstances, though she was not staying at the same hotel.
Tests on tissue taken from Sarah have now been sent to experts in the United States and Japan.
NZ Foreign Minister Murray McCully hopes to get information from Chiang Mai health authorities in the next few days.
"We're seeking whatever forensic information might be available and that's something we'll work our way through over the next few days," a ministerial spokesman said.
Mr McCully did not need to send Foreign Affairs and Trade officials to Chiang Mai because New Zealand had a "very good" official in the ambassador in Bangkok.
"He has been asked to ensure that we extract the required information."
- Additional reporting NZPA

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/stuart-dye...ectid=10711571

**harrybarracuda** · 11-03-2011, 03:29 AM

Mr McCully did not need to send Foreign Affairs and Trade officials to Chiang Mai because New Zealand had a "very good" official in the ambassador in Bangkok.

Well McCully and English Noodles better not be in town when I'm there.

I'll reiterate: I am very fucking angry.

Do your fucking job you shit politician. And Noodles. Shove it up your well worn arse in case you didn't get the message.

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