Uninsured Brit In Critical Condition Following Hua Hin Motorbike Accident

**Pragmatic** · 20-03-2018, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by lob

if u have insurance its even more %.

Because they carry out unnecessary tests. Afterall it is a business.

Originally Posted by taxexile

just press the F or farang key to add the %mark up to the total!

Tax you are correct that SOME hospitals in Thailand do charge more for foreigners than Thais. https://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket...ctured-pricing

**Troy** · 20-03-2018, 11:58 AM

Udon AEK performed surgery on wife at a very decent price. They have treated me for ear infections at minimal cost. Together they failed to break my insùrance threshold for the year of €1,000.

Private hospitals appear to be a lot cheaper in the NE than Bangkok or the tourist areas.

**cyrille** · 20-03-2018, 12:27 PM

I would be very pleasantly surprised if this doesn't happen on a widespread basis. In a sense Bumrungrat may well be an exception simply because everyone pays through the nose.

The logic may well be 'English speaking staff command higher salaries, and they are needed because of farang patients, so this is fair'.

I still don't believe this sort of gutter press bullshit about 400k for a night on a ventilator though.

**taxexile** · 20-03-2018, 12:47 PM

In a sense Bumrungrat may well be an exception simply because everyone pays through the nose.

this makes interesting reading.

they charge because their facilities are superb, but its the same as at any hospital, you need to find a doctor professional and experienced enough to diagnose and treat you ethically.

http://https://www.bumrungrad.com/BI...0aed6371f5.pdf

**OhOh** · 20-03-2018, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

The logic may well be 'English speaking staff command higher salaries, and they are needed because of farang patients

All ASEAN countries teach English as the accepted language of meetings for all members. As such I suspect all Thai trained hospital doctors are expected to be able converse in English. My local village "GP" type clinic, with nurse level staff, has English speaker, my local town area hospital has English speaking nurses, both medical and admin and doctors. They also allow relatives to sleep on the floor next to the bed, "manage" food, washing and assisting patient's bathroom visits.

In my only personal experience of Thai Government hospitals, one of two local province main hospitals, my female doctor upon meeting me asked if I would prefer Thai or English to be spoken. I requested English and she spoke very clearly and authoritatively in English. She also spoke Thai to my Thai wife, when replying yo her questions. After her examination of me and a consultation with her males boss where they both explained their diagnosis, procedure to correct the problem and timeline, to me in English and my wife in Thai.

The primary tests involved a short theatre visit. In the theatre it was an all female team, top to bottom. Perfect theatre and equipment. Arranged for the afternoon of my first visit.

The main procedure, arranged one week later, was a mixed team of sexes.

The hospital ward was 99% Thais, culture was Thai. The nurses dealing with me spoke English. The Thai patients seemed to be mainly male, motorcycle accident patients and the females were mainly, broken noses - family fight , patients.

Two consults prior to procedures, two theatre visits - one for confirmation of diagnoses, one for the agreed procedure, one week waiting for admittance and 4 days pre and post-op ward accommodation - no AC, no private WC, free 10" Thai TV for the select few in the local beds, free Thai or "western" hospital food choice, a holdall sized bag of pills and potions to take away.

All for 40,000THB.

Equal to any hospital visits I've experienced in the UK. I suspect also cheaper, considering the "contributions" automatically extracted from me during the years of me paying UK taxes. Try finding a Thai speaker in the UK system, GP or hospital!

My wife who had taken out medical insurance had a "very bad pain"

in her stomach one evening. Off in the truck to the local Bangkok private hospital. Welcomed us late one evening and after a few hours wait to be seen by the doctor, my wife was admitted for observation. Private A/C room and WC, couch for me to sleep on - pillow and cover from bedroom closet, food for my wife and a 30" TV. She was discharged the following afternoon with a bag of pills. Symptoms dissipated.

Cost, after insurance, 2,000THB.

**Dasher** · 20-03-2018, 02:54 PM

Some fundme things could be fake as well.

**Scottish Gary** · 20-03-2018, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

It was a miserable old git surcharge.

And fair enough too! Should've been higher.

He is an ex dentist....did a bit of work on my teeth when I was in the SAS

**uncle junior** · 20-03-2018, 05:04 PM

40,000/night. Gotta be an extra 0 in the article

**Norton** · 20-03-2018, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

Private hospitals appear to be a lot cheaper in the NE than Bangkok or the tourist areas.

They are and price same for all in both private and publc hospitals.

**stroller** · 20-03-2018, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by jamescollister

If he was insured why did he get a bill, the insurance covers that, everything goes through them..

Nope, I get the bill for the treatment and then reclaim the cost from my private medical.

Originally Posted by tdar

Get it from the driver who hit him from behind.

Or did he "flee the scene"?

That's what I am wondering, too, medical costs are covered by the car insurance - if the driver was insured. TiT.

Could be one of those fake fund-me thingies, anyone could write anything to get a buck or two.

**uncle junior** · 20-03-2018, 05:52 PM

If he broke any laws, like no licence or helmet etc, insurance might not payout.

**Wilsonandson** · 20-03-2018, 06:09 PM

The gofundme page says this....

The hospital have informed us that due to the poor condition of the roads in Thailand and the severity of his injuries, he must be transferred by helicopter, at a cost of Thai Bhat 200,000 (£4,500), and to commence treatment the cost will be over Thai Bhat 1,000,000 (£23,000).

Poor road condition? Hmmmm....

The hospital are crooks!

**uncle junior** · 20-03-2018, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Wilsonandson

Poor road condition? Hmmmm....

Cuz Thailand is known for it's well maintained higjways.

**Wilsonandson** · 20-03-2018, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by uncle junior

Cuz Thailand is known for it's well maintained higjways.

That road where the accident happened is brand new with light traffic an ambulance would have no difficulties transporting a sick patient to hospital.

**uncle junior** · 20-03-2018, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Wilsonandson

That road where the accident happened is brand new with light traffic an ambulance would have no difficulties transporting a sick patient to hospital.

Except that the helicopter is for flying him to BKK. It's all in your OP......you really are thick as a brick

**OhOh** · 20-03-2018, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Wilsonandson

Mark Haley, 55, from Borehamwood, was hit from behind by a car as he was riding a motorbike on Friday in the popular resort town.

According to the GoFundMe page he suffered a fractured spine, fractured pelvis, broken ribs, and a collapsed right lung. He is currently in ICU in an induced coma on a ventilator.

How much is his life insured for?

**david44** · 20-03-2018, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by uncle junior

Except that the helicopter is for flying him to BKK. It's all in your OP......you really are thick as a brick

some of our moist eSTEAMED cut and pisters dont have Anne Grit as a first language

**stroller** · 20-03-2018, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by uncle junior

Cuz Thailand is known for it's well maintained higjways.

In fact, it is.

**david44** · 20-03-2018, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

In fact, it is.

agreed compared to Ireland,Oz and Portugal , however the problem here isn't the hardware.

Fatal Mix will soon be documented in Deathrace 2018

1 Unskiled often unqualified uninsured drivers
2 Corruption, slack enforcement of laws
3 Defective vehicles , no lights
4 Over tired minivan drivers etc
5 Buddhist karma attitude, load 15 drunks in Hilux and hope for the best
6 Poor signage , lane discipline! and v dangerous U turns on divided highways
7 Unguarded train crosssing
8 Stray animals esp dogs
9 Lockstep holidays in some countries schools hols are varied

Oh and did I mention gobful of Yabba and half a Liter of brake fluid strength Lao Khao is not as good coffee substitute to do the last 500km home in time for the lakorn

**stroller** · 20-03-2018, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by david44

gobful of Yabba and half a Liter of brake fluid strength Lao Khao is not as good coffee substitute to do the last 500km home in time for the lakorn

Are you sure, have you tried it?

**cyrille** · 20-03-2018, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

Private hospitals appear to be a lot cheaper in the NE than Bangkok or the tourist areas.

I'm told that the levels of expertise and of staffing in general drop even more steeply though. Basically the more able people gravitate to BKK, and indeed Pattaya, and they do so for higher salaries of course.

**Farang Ky Ay** · 20-03-2018, 11:20 PM

I spoke with an insurance guy in Farangland, he have been dealing mostly with incident occuring overseas.

He told me Thai hospitals were medically not bad bur they were definitely the most crooked, most of the bills tended to be around the max coverage limit...he always tries to arrange repatriation when it's possible because of this.

**Troy** · 21-03-2018, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

They are and price same for all in both private and publc hospitals.

Yep! That's my experience as well.

**Troy** · 21-03-2018, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by cyrille

I'm told that the levels of expertise and of staffing in general drop even more steeply though. Basically the more able people gravitate to BKK, and indeed Pattaya, and they do so for higher salaries of course.

I think, in general, you are probably right however, there are quite a few doctors that have gone back to their roots after working in BKK and abroad. The surgeon that operated on my wife had worked in Australia and Germany as well as BKK before going back to Udon and was well respected by many.

The hospital refers heart surgery and other difficult operations to BKK but can deal with many conditions at a very good standard without charging farangs at higher prices.

**Pragmatic** · 21-03-2018, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Troy

Yep! That's my experience as well.

My experience as well, but I posted a link earlier where a hospital in Phuket admitted to dual pricing. Maybe that's the case in touristy areas?

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