Thread: Farmer boils dog ALIVE to make canine soup

Yeah, I was thinking of those lobsters too... damn, we humans are cruel aren't we?

I wish I could go vegan - then I could scream louder from my soap box, without any hypocrisy...

Yes, at least we can agree the method of killing (boiling alive) is wrong.. duuhh!


555 ya got me, hey! at least I didn't boil the widdle itsy bitsy spider.. (or mesh the poor bugger into the wall).

Originally Posted by Passing Through

a major driver of dog domestication was the fact that they make conveniently mobile larders; you can spend your afternoons happily stroking your chihuahua's cock because

Bunch of dogs cocks that is.

Dogs were domesticated through symbiosis. We get guarded and warned of danger due to their acute sense of smell. They get some food.

They may have been eaten occasionally (and maybe they ate a baby occasionally) but that was not the basis of the relationship.

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

All animals...Not just dogs

Dogs have evolved to exploit our human emotion of love by behaving in ways that make them appear 'lovable'. They do not suffer any more than a pig by being boiled alive but the human that boils a dog alive has to overcome the special human emotional response to evolved dog behaviour which makes him more cruel and despicable than the pig-boiler.

Don't think I'd enjoy being held down in boiling water...Extreme pain and shock...Instant mad, screaming scramble for survival...

I remember thinking about death and wondering if it is pretty much the exact same experience for everyone and everything...The moment itself...The events leading up to it vary greatly, but essentially the experience is the same...

Don't like to see suffering in any form, though...

Blood of the Beasts by Luis Bunuel is a famous short film of a trip through an abattoir...

Well worth watching...

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

but essentially the experience is the same...

No it is not the same.

A mature human who understands what is happening understands the immensity of the event that is about to occur in a way an animal does not. A human may have plans for the future which it is obvious are not going to be realised. A human has emotionally rich loving relationships with other humans and losing them is painful to contemplate in the moments leading up to death. A human has a complex theory of mind and understands that another human being is taking a decision to deliberately end their life which is a sickening thing to have to contemplate. Animals do not have this level of understanding of these events so their suffering is less than a human's.

^Talking 'bout humans, generally...And even they do not "understand" it when they are "blind-sided" by death, as in the case of some violent accidental deaths...

No posts from you yet snubbles on the dog boiling debate.

Farmer boils dog ALIVE... (Farmer boils dog ALIVE to make canine soup) 01-05-2016 02:25 PM bsnub moron

Can you expand on this thesis?

Originally Posted by Passing Through

I can't speak for New Zealand in particular but in most countries, the general consensus is "I don't want to know". People will pretty much universally do as you do: claim that 'we' are basically fine, decent, upstanding folks (unlike whichever group it is which you're using to make yourself feel good about yourself) who love animals and if there's anything wrong with the system of food production it's just a few bad apples. And whatever you do, please don't show me that video of the chickens being plunged into boiling water while still alive because, quite frankly, I'd like to enjoy my ludicrously cheap chicken breasts without having to worry about just how horrific the process was which put them in my freezer.

I agree with all that. We (including myself) like to distance ourselves from the grim reality of those slaughter houses. No argument there.
Still doesn't excuse the chinks chosen method of torture/killing, does it?
that method is used to deliberately inflict as much pain as possible to 'sweeten the meat'...

Usually, people commit suicide using the least painful/quickest route.. not many top themselves sitting in a pot of boiling water. We can argue/ponder all day, as to how much/little different animals feel pain/suffering during torture/death...

Until such time as we can reincarnate into the body of a dog/chicken, etc... don't you think we should err on the side of caution - and remove any doubt by giving all creatures the most painless death possible?

I must add, that I have a very personal reason for hating that method of killing. Trust me, death my boiling water is not something I wish on anyone/anything.

Torturing or scaring an animal before killing it sends heaps of adrenaline through its body which only tenses the muscles and makes the meat tough, prolonging cooking time, so the carcass has to be 'aged', usually in a cool-store or freezer before cooking it.

The best mutton I've ever tasted was hill-run Merino wether brought down from the tops and pastured for a few days before gently coaxing it into a pen then shooting it down through the skull towards the top of the neck, instant death, no kicking, struggling or any adrenaline rush as it dies.

Similarly with domesticated pigs and cattle beast.

Chooks, ducks and geese can be mesmerized by drawing one's hand down from the top of the bird's head towards its beak as its neck is stretched gently across a block before bringing the axe/cleaver down on the neck. Instant death, no adrenaline rush, tender meat, sweet.

Shooting a dear or goat in the wild properly is a canny trick, involving stalking it from down-wind quietly until a clear shoulder, neck or head shot presents itself.

Popping a possum though the eye at night with the aid of a flashlight taped to the barrel of a .22 gets a nice clean kill too.

Rabbits and hare, head-shot as they face the very early morning sun, also garners tender meat.

The trick is not to stress the animal out before its instant demise.

I think that the purpose of kosher and halal butchering was originally meant to do just that, to keep the animal stress free and relaxed before the kill,...but nowadays the emphasis in those practices are more on ritual rather than care for the beast and its proper consumption.

Originally Posted by Passing Through

Still doesn't excuse the chinks chosen method of torture/killing, does it?

Who said anything about excusing it? In my first post on this thread, I used the expression 'act of horror', which surely even an antipodean can understand.

Given the general nature of that statement, I would've expected that even a limey would understand it wasn't directed at anyone in particular.