Thread: Muslims don't decry extremism? Yet another prominent one

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Islamic State have released more horrific pictures showing the apparent stoning to death of a man accused of being gay.

How pleasing then that real men from Iran and Syria, amongst other places, are fighting this blight on the ground. How displeasing that one of their main sources of funding is Saudi Arabian's.
I suppose our brave drones are doing their job too. But I fail to see why Israel's only mlitary actions act for the benefit of the rebels. Who's side are they on? Would they lke to invite Isis in?
Perhaps the new 'Axis of Evil' is Isis, Saudi, and Israel.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Necron99

It's entirely on topic Parolee 39827.

It's not, actually.

The OP is about a Muslim woman speaking out against creeping conservatism of Islam in her country

It's a quote from the OP, as topical as it gets.
And her bleating about somehow "modernizing" a dark ages superstition based on a book of violent, misogynistic. peadophilic, xenophobic dark ages ramblings is no better or worse than the Saudi kings' statements.

It's people who matter, not the book.

Anyway, so if they don't speak up against extremism, they're evil - and when they do, they're hypocrites?

Just like any other other religious nutters.
Doesn't matter how you package it, you're still a nutter.

Shape shit as a chocolate cake all you like, it's still a pile of shit.
But don't try and tell me it tastes better just because it looks like a cake.

Originally Posted by stroller

It's people who matter, not the book.

Anyway, so if they don't speak up against extremism, they're evil - and when they do, they're hypocrites?

Mark 2: 27;
And he said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath":

ie; The law was made for man's use, man was not made for the law's use.

Extremist/supremacist religious ideology ignores this fact.

What she is asking for is the equivalent of the christian council of Nicea (1st and ongoing papal synods)
The reformation, several civil wars and various pogroms lasting decades and then the age of enlightenment, all to happen in a weekend meeting at the Grand Hyatt Dubai sometime next week.


Chances of that?

Bucklys.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Necron99

It's entirely on topic Parolee 39827.

It's not, actually.

The OP is about a Muslim woman speaking out against creeping conservatism of Islam in her country

It's a quote from the OP, as topical as it gets.
And her bleating about somehow "modernizing" a dark ages superstition based on a book of violent, misogynistic. peadophilic, xenophobic dark ages ramblings is no better or worse than the Saudi kings' statements.

Irrelevant, and you miss the point as usual in your frantic bid to out headless-chicken the rest of the indignant rent-a-crowd - which you are doing quite well in however many anti-Islam threads we have going on at this moment.

Point being - woman in a Muslim country has the freedom and the will to criticise Islam and the political machinations that are taking it further towards conservatism

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Point being - woman in a Muslim country has the freedom and the will to criticise Islam and the political machinations that are taking it further towards conservatism

Where was that?

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Point being - woman in a Muslim country has the freedom and the will to criticise Islam and the political machinations that are taking it further towards conservatism

Is that why Ayaan Hirsi Ali has multiple death threats/contracts on her life? Fatwas?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Point being - woman in a Muslim country has the freedom and the will to criticise Islam and the political machinations that are taking it further towards conservatism

Where was that?

Haven't you read the OP?

BM i usually agree with your posts,but bringing the stooge Hirsi Ali into the equation beggars belief, there's to many errors in her story to be taken seriously.

She is now part of the propaganda machine for the west.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Point being - woman in a Muslim country has the freedom and the will to criticise Islam and the political machinations that are taking it further towards conservatism

Is that why Ayaan Hirsi Ali has multiple death threats/contracts on her life? Fatwas?

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

BM i usually agree with your posts,but bringing the stooge Hirsi Ali into the equation beggars belief, there's to many errors in her story to be taken seriously.

She is now part of the propaganda machine for the west.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Point being - woman in a Muslim country has the freedom and the will to criticise Islam and the political machinations that are taking it further towards conservatism

Is that why Ayaan Hirsi Ali has multiple death threats/contracts on her life? Fatwas?

How is she a 'stooge'?

Have you read her early story.?

Refugee camps, arranged marriage to a canadian, getting supposedly thrown out of holland,what her family and her supposed husband to be said about her.

Then she becomes the mouthpiece for the US propaganda machine against Islam, and has armed guards protecting her.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Have you read her early story.?

Refugee camps, arranged marriage to a canadian, getting supposedly thrown out of holland,what her family and her supposed husband to be said about her.

Then she becomes the mouthpiece for the US propaganda machine against Islam, and has armed guards protecting her.

So did Salman Rushdie. It's a fact of life if you've become famous, you'll receive death fatwas/contracts.

BM wouldn't you think considering she was a MP the dutch govt would protect her, though decided to revoke her citizenship, whilst she was in the US.

Just look at youtube and around the net, she's everywhere, and now has shacked up with Niall ferguson the historian.

I read her story a few years ago and the whole thing stinks.

I would of paid to watch that, silly Taxi driver.

BM snub agrees with you, he just redded me.

Silly buffon still thinks I'm Pseudo

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Point being - woman in a Muslim country has the freedom and the will to criticise Islam and the political machinations that are taking it further towards conservatism

Where was that?

Here:

Originally Posted by stroller

Haven't you read the OP?

Right at the beginning . . . the piece this thread is based on.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Is that why Ayaan Hirsi Ali has multiple death threats/contracts on her life? Fatwas?

What has that to do with the woman in the article? You are able to differentiate between one woman and another? One country and another? One piece of writing an another?

In your - and your friends - morbid fascination with all things negative you fall over one another to scream out injustices done in the name of Islam . . . quite rightly so.

You then demand that Muslims the world over stand up and decry extremism! Quite rightly so.

You then demand governments to stand up and decry extremism! Quite rightly so.

You ask where all these people are, the so-called silent majority . . . Quite rightly so.


Then, when you are shown who speaks out . . . you completely ignore those examples and segue on to giving examples that do suit your agenda.

Pathetic.

Why not acknowledge that there are many, many people that do speak out . . . but that doesn't suit your agenda

Look at the topic title:

Muslims don't decry extremism? Yet another prominent one

The only way for you to link the two would be to show how Anwar had anything to do with Ayaan's situation.

Go on then, show us where this is the case.

Thank you

Most Muslims are lovely people. Fact.

It's the one's radicalised by western intelligence agencies coupled with seeing family members shredded in front of them that are "Jhading"

They're in the massive minority and should be dealt with accordingly (i.e targeted rehabilitation / assassinations - not national carpet-bombing which kills 98% innocent people).

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, for a change of pace let's examine this case of blatant Islamophobia:

NYC cab driver fined $15,000 for telling his 2 women passengers not to kiss.
>bla bla<

Nah, that would be homophobia on the part of the cabbie, if anything.
But most reasonable people do not judge from an obscure news clip.

Those women were obviously opressing the cabbie because his culture doesn't permit?

Nah, they were kissing in the back.
None of the cabbie's business in the US, it appears.

Perhaps the cabbie should get a job in Indianapolis.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So, let's get this straight (no pun here) - If a taxi driver does not want to cater a same-sex snogging affair they are now required to do so even if it goes against their personal moral code?

What kind of fucked-up place is America becoming?

https://teakdoor.com/world-news/15269...urism-hit.html (Indianapolis in Crisis Mode After Tourism Hit by Religious Bill)

Or perhaps he should have decried extremism while he was driving.

1.6 Billion followers of Islam.

Why can they not stop / will not stop the few radical, fanatical fundamentalists preachers amongst them ?

Where exactly does their Western funding come from ?

Where do the majority of their soldiers hail from ?

As with most wars it's based on simple economics - the dogma has little to do with the financing necessary to carry on the battle long-term.

Why can't the powerful forces from Islamic countries put an end to the ruthless radicals ? ...and why won't they ?

Have the words of the Islamic community (such as in the OP) turned the fundamentalist swords into plowshares ?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

1.6 Billion followers of Islam.

Why can they not stop / will not stop the few radical, fanatical fundamentalists preachers amongst them ?

It seems to be difficult. We cannot stop the fanatical haters even on this forum.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Where exactly does their Western funding come from ?

Do they get Western funding?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Where do the majority of their soldiers hail from ?

I believe most come from the Middle East and North Africa, including a lot from Iraq. It's hard to be accurate, though. I don't think IS has carried out a census yet.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Why can't the powerful forces from Islamic countries put an end to the ruthless radicals ? ...and why won't they ?

Which specific powerful forces do you have in mind?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Have the words of the Islamic community (such as in the OP) turned the fundamentalist swords into plowshares ?

I doubt the fundamentalists of IS take any heed of opposing views, let alone one decrying extremism. IS seem focussed on their own extreme vision.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Originally Posted by Neverna

I doubt the fundamentalists of IS take any heed of opposing views, let alone one decrying extremism. IS seem focussed on their own extreme vision.

So what exactly are a writer's words worth in the Islamic world ? Just words that have no effect within their communities ?

What are a writer's words worth anywhere? How much notice is taken of them? Clearly there's no single answer. It varies with the words, the writers, the topic, the audience, the time and the place, etc, etc.

(BTW, the so-called "Islamic State" and the Islamic world are two different things.)

The other issues you want to discuss would be better discussed in another thread. This one perhaps: https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...-rid-isis.html (What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?)