Thread: Muslims don't decry extremism? Yet another prominent one

Originally Posted by Dragonfly94

They do not decry the Koran or the life of the filthy murdering phrophet though and that is where 'extremism' comes from.

The Quran is a violent and disturbing book. Its considered the direct word of god and Mohammed (the alleged prophet) was a child rapist and p*dophile.

Islam cannot progress as log as muslims follow the instructions of this book.

Islam is an ideology.

1 million voices against Islamic terrorism!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/1-Mil...73294059353072

Now what about the other 150 million voices?

How many fatwahs issued against Islamic terrorism?

Probably dozens.

How many are followed or adhered to ?

Your guess is as good as mine, .....not many.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

The Quran is a violent and disturbing book.

Violent (in parts) yes- as is the Bible. But how on earth you can find ancient theological rags disturbing is beyond me. Recommend you avoid Stephen King novels too.

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Islam cannot progress as log as muslims follow the instructions of this book.

The creed of Islam that 'follows the book' to the letter are the Salafists, spreading and funding their backwards ideology from Saudi Arabia. They are the 'spiritual' (and financial) mentors behind all Suni militant movements, from the Taliban, to AQ, Al Nusra, Boko Haram, Isil and so on. So why are they our friends?

The only Islamic regime I can think of that doesn't follow this script are the Shiite 'mad Mullahs' of Iran. But at the end of the day, Iran still has the largest Jewish population in the Middle East besides Israel, Zorastrian and Bahai communities (both of which originated in Iran)- and a guaranteed seat in Parliament for all of these faiths.

In contrast, leaders like Assad, Hussein, pre-Taliban Afghan Prime Ministers, even nutty Qaddafi practise(d) and endorsed a considerably more tolerant, secular form of Islam- and indeed resisted the creeping Salafist influence emanating from Saudi Arabia. So why did/do we assist, both directly and indirectly, the Salafist militants rebelling aginst them?

Sure, there's a lot of religious bollocks out there- but why the secular west has in so many cases assisted and endorsed it is beyond me. From the Taliban on, it has just come back to bite us in the bum- as reasonable people have been saying and warning all along.

Looks like Palestinians are slowly starving and dying. NO it's not Israel this time . Their muslims brothers are killing them in Syria’s Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp, which was invaded last week by Islamic State militants and their allies.

Muslims decrying ?

the BBC is reporting two 17 yr. old 'boys' have fled to turkey and are probably in syria now,
In the culture these boys come from
from the age of 12 - 1 4yr.old they are preparing for man-hood
At 14yrs. they are considered to be men.
If not then they are slack and have some kinda problem.
If the BBC reports 17 yr ole 'boys'.
that would say that they are simpletons or deranged in their culture. an insult.

again we get all the soft words and phrases for joe public.

Turkey and going east all 14 yr oles are considered men
and south of europe also.

of course if you kill in the uk at 17 then you're a bad man.

What of the voices against Christian [Western] terrorism?

anything that comes from the desert region is a terrorist in one form or another.
we all terrorise.
for power an £$%.
know that all org.reli. carry the opposite.
the so-called 'ideal' prototype of man in any org. religion
does not exist and never will.

of course terror can happen anywhere.
part and parcel of our educated make-up.

why do Christians worship absolute suffering on a Cross.

Muslims dont decry extremism ?

still waiting...

Apr. 10, 2015 | 12:33 AM
“A refugee camp is beginning to resemble a death camp,” Ban warned.
The refugees, including 3,500 children, have been “turned into human shields” with armed fighters inside the camp and government forces outside, he said.
“In the horror that is Syria, the Yarmouk refugee camp is the deepest circle of hell,” the U.N. chief said, calling for the fighting to stop so aid can be delivered.

Ban: Yarmouk the deepest circle of hell | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

Originally Posted by billy the kid

anything that comes from the desert region is a terrorist in one form or another.
we all terrorise.
for power an £$%.
know that all org.reli. carry the opposite.
the so-called 'ideal' prototype of man in any org. religion
does not exist and never will.

of course terror can happen anywhere.
part and parcel of our educated make-up.

why do Christians worship absolute suffering on a Cross.

> He died (past) for our sins and all is forgiven.<

I prefer the cross, because this rabbi dying on the cross gave me a free-bee

>Allah desires all of them (present & future) men, women and children – to seek death as martyrs, and that it is a privilege to be worthy of dying for Allah.<

To be obedient and submissive for the rest of my life, not allowing to ask any questions....naah not my cup of tea.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Apr. 10, 2015 | 12:33 AM

“A refugee camp is beginning to resemble a death camp,” Ban warned.
The refugees, including 3,500 children, have been “turned into human shields” with armed fighters inside the camp and government forces outside, he said.

“In the horror that is Syria, the Yarmouk refugee camp is the deepest circle of hell,” the U.N. chief said, calling for the fighting to stop so aid can be delivered.

Ban: Yarmouk the deepest circle of hell | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

And all this is GOOD MUSLIM stuff, all HALAL, all (approved of and opposed) under various interpretations of the KORAN, SUNNA and SHARIA law.






God.

thee Apple logo with a piece bitten off
ended up in Adam's throat.
the result of original sin where it all kicked off.
just nature's way being hi-jacked.

^^ With the Palestinians being the Victims, as usual.
Seems Islamic and Judaic mythology agree on some things.

They definitely do,...the same messengers from the same sky-fairy.

Any comments on the OP article?

Just to remind those too busy decrying the Koran and the prophet to read it:

Respect Islam’s diversity



If the Malaysian authorities are serious about countering the threat of IS and other movements, they need the political will to bring radical change to how Islam is understood and taught in schools and universities.

IN the midst of the relentless savagery of Islamic State (IS) group and the descent into chaos in countries such as Yemen, Libya and Syria, Muslim leaders, yet again, have been talking about the need for radical reform of how Islam is understood, and taught in schools and universities.

The latest coming from no one more important to Sunni Islam than the Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar himself, Ahmed al-Tayeb.

Speaking at an international conference on “Islam and the fight against terrorism” in Mecca in February, the Sheikh attributed the rise of Islamic extremism on “the historical accumulation of extremist tendencies... that grew out of corrupt interpretations of some texts in the Holy Quran and the practices of the Prophet”.

He called for the need to “tackle in our schools and universities this tendency to accuse Muslims of being unbelievers” and for a conference of Muslim scholars to focus on common values that unite Muslims.

At the same conference, the new Saudi King was reported to have said: “Terrorism is a scourge which is the product of extremist ideology. It is a threat to our Muslim nation and to the entire world.”

So if the answer is to bring radical change to how Islam is understood and taught in schools and universities, what is urgently needed now is not more meetings and conferences and summits of Muslim leaders to tackle terrorism, violence and intolerance besetting much of the Muslim world.

It is the political will to act.

For a start, these leaders hold power, authority and influence to put an immediate stop to the toxic sermons and pronouncements from so many of their own religious figures and radical extremists who spew hatred and venom towards fellow Muslims and fellow citizens who think, behave, dress, and live differently.

They can start by respecting difference of opinion and building a culture of public debate on matters of religion, and how religion should be used as a source of law and public policy and practice in their own societies.

And this job is actually easy to do, and can be done right now. For there is already much scholarship, new and old, that is out there for the schools and universities to adopt if these Muslim leaders in positions of authority to make the difference is serious about their pronouncements of the dire straits of the Muslim world today and the threat this poses to fellow Muslims and the rest of the world.

Scholars and women’s rights activists engaged in bringing about an understanding of Islam that upholds justice and equality, that eschews violence and terrorism, and that respects diversity and differences of opinion have been working for over 20 years in bringing about change, both in terms of scholarship and activism on the ground.

Unfortunately, much of their scholarship and activism are ignored, at best, or demonised or banned, or at worst, the proponents of change are persecuted and imprisoned because their work towards a compassionate and just Islam do not serve the interest of the power elite and their desperation to remain in power or to gain power.

So can change really happen if those in authority tell the world there is a need for change, but on the ground they continue to persecute their citizens for actually taking action to bring about change?

Even if these leaders are yet not able to reconcile themselves to the rich and exciting scholarship that exists in the tradition and in contemporary thought and activism towards a more just and compassionate Islam, they could start by revisiting the Amman Message that they themselves signed in 2006, which denounced extremism, radicalism and fanaticism.

It contains many beautiful passages from the Quran about respecting diversity and differences, about calling others to the path of God with wisdom and beauty, about moderation, justice and not betraying the trust of the people, etc.

The Amman Message also included three basic points that specifically recognized the validity of all eight mazhabs (schools of law) of Sunni, Syiah and Ibadhi Islam; forbade takfir (declaring fellow Muslims as apostates) and set forth the subjective and objective preconditions for the issuing of fatwas, to put a stop to illegitimate fatwas.

Some 552 political and religious leaders from 84 countries endorsed the Amman message and its three points, including Kings, Presidents and Prime Ministers, top scholars from Sunni and Syiah Islam, and the Grand Sheikh of al-Azhar.

From Malaysia, then Prime Minister Tun Abdullah Badawi, Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim, current Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin and former UIA Rector Tan Sri Prof Dr Mohd Kamal Hassan were among those who signed on.

And yet we see today so many of the signatory countries, including Malaysia, embarked on demonising Syiahs as infidels and declaring fellow Muslims they disagree with as deviants, persecuting, imprisoning and flogging those considered a threat to their authority.

At the same time, these very same states wring their hands and twists themselves into knots about growing threats of violence and extremism that today they realise pose a threat to their hold on power.

Counter terrorism research shows that while not all extremism leads to terrorism, all terrorist acts are inspired by extremist narratives.

That ideas and ideologies that sow discord, hate and bigotry contribute to justifying acts of terror, and therefore cannot be left unchallenged in society.

It is a waste of time and money for political leaders to gather in Cairo, Mecca, London, Washington, waging war against terrorism, extremism and violence when those very same leaders are waging war against their own citizens who think differently from them.

The mindset that cannot recognise the legitimacy of differences of opinion on how a country should be governed cannot possibly provide an enabling environment where Islamic scholarship can grow and thrive independent of the interest of the ruling elite.

If it is “haram”, “unIslamic”, “anti-God”, “anti-Syariah” to question the pronouncements of a Mufti or a Mentri Besar on any Islamic matter, why should we expect those extremists in Syria and Iraq to disobey the commands of their self-appointed caliph?

The mindset brainwashed to believe that they have no right to question or to debate the orders and ideas of their religious leaders in Malaysia is the same mindset that obeys the call to behead, burn alive, and kill fellow Muslims and non-Muslims who think and live differently.

It is this demand for absolute certainty and absolute loyalty that breeds fanaticism that can lead to violence and terrorism.

It is this belief that those who speak in the name of Islam are accountable to no one that leads to despotism.

It is this belief that there is only one understanding of Islam that represents “true” Islam, and anyone with a different opinion is declared deviant and demonised, that breeds a toxic public culture of intolerance, hatred and bigotry.

The billion dollar question is not whether Islam is a just and peaceful religion.

For the scholarship already exists to bring about an understanding of Islam that promotes justice and equality, that embraces diversity and differences, that believes in peace, freedom, dignity, that argues for the possibility and necessity for reform to fulfil Muslim demands for democracy, human rights and social justice.

The billion dollar question is whether there is truly the will among the political and religious leaders of the Muslim world to bring about the radical change that is needed in the ways Islam is taught, understood, codified into law and reflected in everyday practices.

Stop wasting money and time on more conferences of Presidents and Prime Ministers and religious leaders to deal with terrorism.

Spend those resources on reforming the education system, reviewing the discriminatory and unjust laws, changing culture and practices that discriminate against women and violate fundamental liberties in the name of religion.

Enough talk and hand wringing. Show us the beef.

And if the Malaysian authorities are serious about countering the threat posed by extremist Malaysians who have joined IS and other movements, then they should take immediate steps to reform how Islam is taught in the schools and universities of the country and what messages are being preached over radio, television, during Friday sermons and in those ceramahs by populist preachers all over the country.

For a start, stop telling Muslims and non-Muslims that they have no right to speak about Islam or to question or criticise any Islamic law or debate the hudud law for to do so is to question God’s law.

It is a law drafted by mere mortal men, and passed by the Kelantan state assembly made up of men.

Stop pretending just because they speak in God’s name, that they are therefore infallible and beyond reproach.

Just a reminder - written by a female Muslim in a Muslim country ^

At the same conference, the new Saudi King was reported to have said: “Terrorism is a scourge which is the product of extremist ideology. It is a threat to our Muslim nation and to the entire world.”

What is cutting off hands, public beheadings, 1000 lash sentences for thought crime and stoning people to death the product of??
Peace and tolerance?

Priceless.......

^^^ Burning a prisoner of war alive in a cage is not compassionate by any stretch of the imagination.

(Hopefully) that Jordanian pilot was provided with a sh*tload of morphine intravenously in advance. He was a Muslim too.

Originally Posted by Necron99

At the same conference, the new Saudi King was reported to have said: “Terrorism is a scourge which is the product of extremist ideology. It is a threat to our Muslim nation and to the entire world.”

What is cutting off hands, public beheadings, 1000 lash sentences for thought crime and stoning people to death the product of??
Peace and tolerance?

Priceless.......

What exactly is the connection to the OP, Mr. Moderator?

Turning this into yet another anti-Muzzie slagfest?

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Necron99

At the same conference, the new Saudi King was reported to have said: “Terrorism is a scourge which is the product of extremist ideology. It is a threat to our Muslim nation and to the entire world.”

What is cutting off hands, public beheadings, 1000 lash sentences for thought crime and stoning people to death the product of??
Peace and tolerance?

Priceless.......

What exactly is the connection to the OP, Mr. Moderator?

Turning this into yet another anti-Muzzie slagfest?

It's entirely on topic Parolee 39827.
The defacto leader of the Sunni Muslim world decrying extremist ideology when his country is based on it.
What's your point?




BTW, you're due for a piss test Tuesday week....

Originally Posted by Necron99

It's entirely on topic Parolee 39827.

It's not, actually.

The OP is about a Muslim woman speaking out against creeping conservatism of Islam in her country

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Necron99

It's entirely on topic Parolee 39827.

It's not, actually.

The OP is about a Muslim woman speaking out against creeping conservatism of Islam in her country

Close enough.
Perfect conduit for the Islamic bashing of the day.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Necron99

It's entirely on topic Parolee 39827.

It's not, actually.

The OP is about a Muslim woman speaking out against creeping conservatism of Islam in her country

Close enough.
Perfect conduit for the Islamic bashing of the day.

Yup, it doesn't take much to set them off

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Necron99

It's entirely on topic Parolee 39827.

It's not, actually.

The OP is about a Muslim woman speaking out against creeping conservatism of Islam in her country

It's a quote from the OP, as topical as it gets.
And her bleating about somehow "modernizing" a dark ages superstition based on a book of violent, misogynistic. peadophilic, xenophobic dark ages ramblings is no better or worse than the Saudi kings' statements.