Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

As to whether or not she was conscious, the post mortem pictures clearly shows mark un both upper arms/shoulders that indicate that she was held down, this also indicates why there are no defence wounds/marks.

As for the posing and it is indeed a deliberate posing in the Koh Tao Case.
In 44,541 homicide investigations, respondents indicates that sexual posing was present in less than 1% of the cases.
( Crime Scene Staging: An Exploratory Study of the Frequency and Characteristics of Sexual Posing in Homicides | Geberth | Investigative Sciences Journal )

I have had the pictures evaluated by several hmm.. crime specialists ( investigators, prosecutors, true crime authors ) and all of them responded with: it is the work of a serial killer...however those specialist have no knowlegde of Thailand and the concept of face..however in my humble opinion the setting and posing of the victim indicate a lot of anger at the female victim, whereas the male victim was just in the way and disposed off

For those interested in posing here the main possibilities, where the Koh Tao Case can been seen as a mixture of 2 & 3:
1. Offenders pose a body sexually to satisfy a perverse sexual fantasy. Sexual sadists rely heavily on fantasy and ritual to obtain sexual satisfaction. The sexual manipulation of the victim’s body including posing, propping, sexual mutilation, defeminization and evisceration are the most common motivation.
2. Offenders pose out of an anger/ retaliation motive. The offender uses sex as a weapon to punish and degrade the woman. The posing of the body is done to further degrade the victim out of anger or revenge. This is the second most common motivation in sexual manipulation of the body
3. Offenders sexually pose a body to “Stage-the-Scene” to make it appear to be a sex-related murder. The offender is consciously attempting to mislead and thwart the police investigation by making the murder appear to be sexual when in reality the murder was based on interpersonal violence.

As for the facts in the Koh Tao Case, the crime scene indicates at least 3 offenders, 2 to hold the victim, 1 with the weapon and possibly 1 or more offenders for the male victim.

The motive and the amount of anger expressed in this crime strongly indicate that the main motive must have been that main offender and initiator was rejected publicly by the female victim, causing him loss of face and thereby the motive for initiation of this offense.

The main offender has a history of violence. He is known locally for mood swings. He known the area and is local, with an absent father and a dominating mother and so on and so on.... ( standard stuff )

His co-offenders are hang-arounds and possibly people depending on him..oh well I wont spent time on writing this..there are only 2 possibilities if I was a betting man I would put my money on the guy who walked all over the crime scene...

Is this Fluke in rehab or something?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Is this Fluke in rehab or something?

Why you ask ?
FFS, so many posters on TD making vague one line posts .

Originally Posted by Sabaitoo

if I was a betting man I would put my money on the guy who walked all over the crime scene...

You can bet your somtam that Mon was heavily involved, with Nomsod more than privy during events.

Originally Posted by Sabaitoo

As to whether or not she was conscious, the post mortem pictures clearly shows mark un both upper arms/shoulders that indicate that she was held down, this also indicates why there are no defence wounds/marks.

As for the posing and it is indeed a deliberate posing in the Koh Tao Case.
In 44,541 homicide investigations, respondents indicates that sexual posing was present in less than 1% of the cases.
( Crime Scene Staging: An Exploratory Study of the Frequency and Characteristics of Sexual Posing in Homicides | Geberth | Investigative Sciences Journal )

I have had the pictures evaluated by several hmm.. crime specialists ( investigators, prosecutors, true crime authors ) and all of them responded with: it is the work of a serial killer...however those specialist have no knowlegde of Thailand and the concept of face..however in my humble opinion the setting and posing of the victim indicate a lot of anger at the female victim, whereas the male victim was just in the way and disposed off

For those interested in posing here the main possibilities, where the Koh Tao Case can been seen as a mixture of 2 & 3:
1. Offenders pose a body sexually to satisfy a perverse sexual fantasy. Sexual sadists rely heavily on fantasy and ritual to obtain sexual satisfaction. The sexual manipulation of the victim’s body including posing, propping, sexual mutilation, defeminization and evisceration are the most common motivation.
2. Offenders pose out of an anger/ retaliation motive. The offender uses sex as a weapon to punish and degrade the woman. The posing of the body is done to further degrade the victim out of anger or revenge. This is the second most common motivation in sexual manipulation of the body
3. Offenders sexually pose a body to “Stage-the-Scene” to make it appear to be a sex-related murder. The offender is consciously attempting to mislead and thwart the police investigation by making the murder appear to be sexual when in reality the murder was based on interpersonal violence.

As for the facts in the Koh Tao Case, the crime scene indicates at least 3 offenders, 2 to hold the victim, 1 with the weapon and possibly 1 or more offenders for the male victim.

The motive and the amount of anger expressed in this crime strongly indicate that the main motive must have been that main offender and initiator was rejected publicly by the female victim, causing him loss of face and thereby the motive for initiation of this offense.

The main offender has a history of violence. He is known locally for mood swings. He known the area and is local, with an absent father and a dominating mother and so on and so on.... ( standard stuff )

His co-offenders are hang-arounds and possibly people depending on him..oh well I wont spent time on writing this..there are only 2 possibilities if I was a betting man I would put my money on the guy who walked all over the crime scene...

Those marks on the upper arms could be from carrying her body. Not a place to hold someone down as they have use of their hands and lower arms.

Not sure I would go along with a raging in anger attack either, seems one good chop was all it took for Witheridge.

Inn my scenario the motive was fun times for Thai boyz. She was drugged, incapacitated and being raped when Miller came upon the scene, which tragically may have pushed the rapists into a double murder to cover up the initial crime.

After seeing how inept the police are, I wonder just how many other women have been drug raped and did not report it, or it got dismissed as well you deserved it for....

^ What drugs did the autopsy find?

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ What drugs did the autopsy find?

Who's to know.

Just like what did the CCTV outside AC Bar pick up.

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ What drugs did the autopsy find?

Autopsy from THE THAIS?

Fuck off.

Bangkok Post
November 3, 2014
Writer: King-oua Laohong

Parents of the two Myanmar suspects in the Koh Tao murder case on Monday asked the Department of Special Investigation to prosecute the police officers and police-appointed Rohingya interpreter for allegedly beating their sons and coercing them into confessing.

They also wanted the DSI to take the Koh Tao murder case as a special case.

Tun Tun Htike and his wife Zaw Aye Muang, the parents of Win Zaw Htun, and Phu Shew Nu, the mother of Zaw Lin, were accompanied by human rights advocate Surapong Kongchantuk and representatives of the Myanmar embassy to lodge the pleas with newly appointed DSI chief of Suwana Suwanjuta.

Mrs Suwana’s deputy, Pol Col Paisit Wongmuang, received the complaints on her behalf.

Mr Surapong, who also heads the Lawyers Council of Thailand’s human rights subcommittee on ethnic minorities, said the DSI had to step in to investigate into the suspects’ claim that they had been coerced into confessing they had killed two British backpackers since the officers involved in the investigation and interrogation became party to the lawsuit.

National police chief Pol Gen Somyot Pumpunmuang also insisted there were no scapegoats or torture, he said.

Mr Surapong said the council did not judge whether the police or the suspects were right; it only wanted to hand information to DSI officials to ensure human rights were protected and justice was served for everyone in Thailand regardless of his nationality.

The parents of the two suspects last week filed a complaint with the Office of the Attorney-General and asked the National Human Rights Commission to step in, saying they were worried their sons would not get a fair trial.

DSI asked to take Koh Tao case | Bangkok Post: news

Even if they were tortured it doesn't mean they are necessarily not guilty.

^ If you're ever suffering from amnesia, and a Thai cop tells you today is Friday, then you can pretty sure the correct day is any one of Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday.

Originally Posted by Stranger

^ If you're ever suffering from amnesia, and a Thai cop tells you today is Friday, then you can pretty sure the correct day is any one of Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday.

A slight flaw in what you say. Try this....

"If you're ever suffering from amnesia, and a Thai cop finds you, and after arresting you for drugs, murder, LM and a few on the spot fines, he then sells you the information that today is Friday, then you can pretty sure the correct day is any one of Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday."

Tony Blair is on the job now, so don't worry, everything will be fixed up soon.....



Blair reassured the general that his national police force was really quite good compared to the ones in the UK....where less than half of violent crime is ever solved and 47 different police forces are under investigation for various forms of corruption, including widespread collusion with organized crime.

The general offered sympathy for the deplorable state of law enforcement in the UK, and went on to explain that violent crime is probably easier to solve in Thailand because of the high numbers of resident Burmese and Cambodians available for arrest and prosecution. ....

Originally Posted by Sabaitoo

As to whether or not she was conscious, the post mortem pictures clearly shows mark un both upper arms/shoulders that indicate that she was held down, this also indicates why there are no defence wounds/marks.

As for the posing and it is indeed a deliberate posing in the Koh Tao Case.
In 44,541 homicide investigations, respondents indicates that sexual posing was present in less than 1% of the cases.
( Crime Scene Staging: An Exploratory Study of the Frequency and Characteristics of Sexual Posing in Homicides | Geberth | Investigative Sciences Journal )

I have had the pictures evaluated by several hmm.. crime specialists ( investigators, prosecutors, true crime authors ) and all of them responded with: it is the work of a serial killer...however those specialist have no knowlegde of Thailand and the concept of face..however in my humble opinion the setting and posing of the victim indicate a lot of anger at the female victim, whereas the male victim was just in the way and disposed off

For those interested in posing here the main possibilities, where the Koh Tao Case can been seen as a mixture of 2 & 3:
1. Offenders pose a body sexually to satisfy a perverse sexual fantasy. Sexual sadists rely heavily on fantasy and ritual to obtain sexual satisfaction. The sexual manipulation of the victim’s body including posing, propping, sexual mutilation, defeminization and evisceration are the most common motivation.
2. Offenders pose out of an anger/ retaliation motive. The offender uses sex as a weapon to punish and degrade the woman. The posing of the body is done to further degrade the victim out of anger or revenge. This is the second most common motivation in sexual manipulation of the body
3. Offenders sexually pose a body to “Stage-the-Scene” to make it appear to be a sex-related murder. The offender is consciously attempting to mislead and thwart the police investigation by making the murder appear to be sexual when in reality the murder was based on interpersonal violence.

As for the facts in the Koh Tao Case, the crime scene indicates at least 3 offenders, 2 to hold the victim, 1 with the weapon and possibly 1 or more offenders for the male victim.

The motive and the amount of anger expressed in this crime strongly indicate that the main motive must have been that main offender and initiator was rejected publicly by the female victim, causing him loss of face and thereby the motive for initiation of this offense.

The main offender has a history of violence. He is known locally for mood swings. He known the area and is local, with an absent father and a dominating mother and so on and so on.... ( standard stuff )

His co-offenders are hang-arounds and possibly people depending on him..oh well I wont spent time on writing this..there are only 2 possibilities if I was a betting man I would put my money on the guy who walked all over the crime scene...

Good informative post.

Endorses what a lot of us are thinking.
sep

Originally Posted by koman

Tony Blair is on the job now, so don't worry, everything will be fixed up soon.....



Blair reassured the general that his national police force was really quite good compared to the ones in the UK....where less than half of violent crime is ever solved and 47 different police forces are under investigation for various forms of corruption, including widespread collusion with organized crime.

The general offered sympathy for the deplorable state of law enforcement in the UK, and went on to explain that violent crime is probably easier to solve in Thailand because of the high numbers of resident Burmese and Cambodians available for arrest and prosecution. ....

They make a wonderful couple.

Reminds me of the saying. As he (God) made them, he paired them. I wonder if the same goes for the Devil?
sep

Parents of the two Myanmar suspects in the Koh Tao murder case on Monday asked the Department of Special Investigation to prosecute the police officers and police-appointed Rohingya interpreter for allegedly beating their sons and coercing them into confessing.

Could get Interesting. Do they have irrefutable evidence that they were tortured?
Just noticed they used the word allegedly.
sep

^ Bit cheeky of them. Bit above their station. Don't they know that they're just Burmese peasants. Taking on Thais in uniform. In Thailand. The gall.

nice mason handshake

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

nice mason handshake

You're obviously not a mason.

Originally Posted by septimus

Originally Posted by koman

Tony Blair is on the job now, so don't worry, everything will be fixed up soon.....



Blair reassured the general that his national police force was really quite good compared to the ones in the UK....where less than half of violent crime is ever solved and 47 different police forces are under investigation for various forms of corruption, including widespread collusion with organized crime.

The general offered sympathy for the deplorable state of law enforcement in the UK, and went on to explain that violent crime is probably easier to solve in Thailand because of the high numbers of resident Burmese and Cambodians available for arrest and prosecution. ....

They make a wonderful couple.

Reminds me of the saying. As he (God) made them, he paired them. I wonder if the same goes for the Devil?
sep

It was only a matter of time. Show me a country run by a sociopathic dictator running it through military rule with large doses of increasing corruption and violence, and you will find Tony "I'm a lying [at][at][at][at]" bliar shaking hands with them within a few months.

Police refuse to participate in CHR probe for fourth time. ( Not sure why this is hidden on the learning English section, maybe Bkk Post is feeling the heat

Koh Tao murders: Police avoid NHRC a fourth time | Bangkok Post: learning

brutal Sept 15 murders of English tourists David Miller, 24, and Hannah Witheridge, 23.

On Monday, Niran Pitakwatchara, head of the commission sub-committee on civil and political rights, said the NHRC would begin debating whether it should file a complaint against forensic police, Police Region 8 and the Metropolitan Police Bureau after the three departments failed to show up for the fourth time.

The NHRC has invited representatives from the three departments handling the case every Monday since Oct 13 to answer allegations they tortured Win Zaw Htun and Zaw Lin into confessing they killed two British tourists on the island Sept 15.

Both men have since retracted their confessions.

According to Dr Niran, police representatives told them the invitations were sent at very short notice and fear any statements they give could adversely affect the case.

Under the NHRC Act, the NHRC can file a complaint with police to take action against anyone who does not respond to NHRC requests for explanations.

The NHRC is investigating two complaints they received in connection with the Koh Tao murder probe. The first was on behalf of Win Zaw Htun and Zaw Lin. They received a separate complaint by two other migrant workers on Koh Tao alleging police abuse, Dr Niran said.

Both complaints were filed by civil society groups, but he could not reveal the names of the groups, he said.

It was previously reported that the Lawyers Council of Thailand and Win Zaw Htun and Zaw Lin's parents had petitioned the NHRC.

National police chief Pol Gen Somyot Pumpunmuang told the Bangkok Post he understands that the NHRC has to perform its duty and try and help the Myanmar suspects.

But, he said, it is not possible for police to discuss any part of their investigation, for fear of violating the Criminal Code, Section 157 for revealing confidential and sensitive information.

But Dr Niran said the NHRC does not wish to expose details of the case, only whether the police engaged in misconduct. "We are investigating the alleged torture and abuse of the suspects," Dr Niran said. "We are not investigating the murder case."

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More at link

National police chief Pol Gen Somyot Pumpunmuang told the Bangkok Post he understands that the NHRC has to perform its duty and try and help the Myanmar suspects.

But, he said, it is not possible for police to discuss any part of their investigation, for fear of violating the Criminal Code, Section 157 for revealing confidential and sensitive information.

You mean, not discuss any part of the investigation, like this:


Google Images Thai Police Reconstruction Koh Tao.

Originally Posted by Rudolph

Bit cheeky of them. Bit above their station. Don't they know that they're just Burmese peasants. Taking on Thais in uniform. In Thailand. The gall.

Heh...You gotta love it...

At least these poor peasants have the chance to speak up...On a world-wide platform, no less...Whooda thunk it?...That has got to be embarrassing for the whole Thai process on every level...

And some thought it would just go away...Strange how different this case really is...

And now we have another in Bangkok, is it?...Young Thais are learning well...

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

At least these poor peasants have the chance to speak up...

They were 3 years in Thailand , how long in Koh Tao ?, anyway drinking beer, playing guitar on the beach..etc
If you want to picture them wearing a conical straw hat herding geese near a rice field , go ahead.
But i'll wait to hear what they have to say if the DNA looks like nailing them .