Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by BobR

Yes, because so many Thais think they're the most brilliant people on Earth, they think they can fool anyone.

And all farang are stupid. After 10 years and seeing the way farangs act here I'm beginning to see the Thai point of view.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by BobR

Yes, because so many Thais think they're the most brilliant people on Earth, they think they can fool anyone.

And all farang are stupid. After 10 years and seeing the way farangs act here I'm beginning to see the Thai point of view.

Yep....

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by BobR

Yes, because so many Thais think they're the most brilliant people on Earth, they think they can fool anyone.

And all farang are stupid. After 10 years and seeing the way farangs act here I'm beginning to see the Thai point of view.

thailand does seem to attract more than its fair share of the dregs of falang society, but then, any country that has as its main attraction cheap whores, corrupt authorities, beer bars every 20 yards and offers unlimited opportunities for visitors to sink to the abysmally low standards of honesty, morals and responsibility as demonstrated by the host society is hardly aiming to attract the cream of the crop.

Originally Posted by taxexile

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by BobR

Yes, because so many Thais think they're the most brilliant people on Earth, they think they can fool anyone.

And all farang are stupid. After 10 years and seeing the way farangs act here I'm beginning to see the Thai point of view.

thailand does seem to attract more than its fair share of the dregs of falang society, but then, any country that has as its main attraction cheap whores, corrupt authorities, beer bars every 20 yards and offers unlimited opportunities for visitors to sink to the abysmally low standards of honesty, morals and responsibility as demonstrated by the host society is hardly aiming to attract the cream of the crop.

And that is why I like it.

^ Heh...

They are still guilty.

Don't let expensive lawyers fool you with a big pile of paper and shifting blame to the police for having the temerity to arrest the Burmese, but not being that well trained at their job, and neglected to dot a few i's ...

The whole appeal stinks of legal loopholes, the type of thing that a lawyer graduating from the OJ Simpson school of law would cook up .

If it was a rich kid with an expensive legal team y'all would be shouting 'guilty', and lamenting how money perverts justice ....
but because it's a dirt poor immigrant who has somehow lucked onto the same level of expensive defense you've gone and got yourselves all confused ...

Originally Posted by blue

The whole appeal stinks of legal loopholes,

The whole case stinks,anyone with an ounce of brains can see this is a set up.
Have you ever been to Thailand Blue?

This case will forever be seen as Thailands shame.

Originally Posted by blue

If it was a rich kid with an expensive legal team y'all would be shouting 'guilty', and lamenting how money perverts justice

That's because that's what happens,the people that commited the murder
are connected and have cash,not hard to see that.

I'm confident I will be proved right
But i won't say i told you so









much

Koh Tao murders appeal reveals shocking new evidence suggesting unfair trial and wrongful convictions

According to an article written by a key member of the defence team of Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, the 22 year old Burmese migrant workers convicted of the murders of Hanna Witheridge and David Miller in September 2014, lacerations to the female victim were caused by the Thai autopsy and not rape. This revelation came to light when the article, written by Nad Bergman, was published by the Thai Justice website. It says “The incision discovered inside suspects koh tao murdersthe victims vagina, was determined by the British autopsy to have been caused by the Thai autopsy, not as a result of sexual assault”.

The trial for the murders of Hannah Witheridge and David miller and the rape of Hannah Witheridge gained much public interest and was dogged by criticism of both the investigation and the prosecution. The handling and lack of chain of custody of the DNA samples was widely criticized, the missing wine bottle and cigarette butts as well as the female victims clothes, all said to have carried vital DNA evidence, were missing entirely from the trial. Allegations of the torture of the two accused, who initially confessed to the crimes but later retracted their confessions have been causing grave concerns among human rights activists, the friends and family of the accused and their supporters around the globe. Reports of the local mafia intimidating the court translators made the news early on in the trial, the lack of CCTV footage of the crimes linking the two men to anywhere other than the crowded beach has caused grave concern and of course without a single piece of CCTV footage, or a single witness to the actual crime, it is hard to believe that any court could find the two men guilty without reasonable doubt and sentence them to death.

The two men who have no previous criminal history, motive for the rape and murders, and whose DNA was never found on the murder weapon now face yet another year on death row as they wait for their appeal to be considered by the same Region 8 team who handed them both the death penalty for rape and double murder to consider the 198 page appeal document submitted a few days ago by the defence team.

According to the newly published report the appeal questions why the police claimed that DNA samples from the crime scene were sent tKoh Tao burmese suspectso Singapore where it was determined the suspects were Asian but later stated this had been revealed in a Thai lab and the samples had in fact never been sent to Singapore.

It goes on to question why –

The suspects were arrested on unrelated charges before being questioned about the murders without an attorney present and their statements were entered as part of the prosecution’s evidence. This is a violation of Thai law and grounds for dismissal of the case.

Both DNA samples taken from the defendants were done without consent and before they were informed of the murder charges.

During the interrogation a hostile interpreter was appointed by the police who cannot read written Thai. The defendants were never properly advised of the murder charges nor their rights under Thai law

Both accused testified they were stripped naked during the interrogation and physically assaulted including, but no limited to, being punched, genital torture, being kicked and having bags placed over their head. Woundscouple dead in koh tao and bruises of these accusations were present and confirmed by no less than three doctors with regards to one of the defendants.

Fingerprints from the accused on the mobile phone that belonged to one of the victims were never produced, this raises the question of who they actually belonged to. There was absolutely no forensic evidence presented by the prosecution connecting the mobile phone to the accused.

The prosecution speculated that the motive for the attack was the accused being aroused by both victims having sexual intercourse on the beach. There is no evidence to suggest this ever took place and the small abrasion found in the victims vagina could easily have been a result of consensual sex with a third party.

The autopsy was unable to determine if intercourse had taken place before or after death. It is impossible for the prosecution to determine if any rape had taken place.

The Thai autopsy was no more than a four page summary by the doctor. The legally required autopsy file documenting the procedure with step-by-step photos and point to point analysis was never presented. The British autopsy however was.

brits in Koh TaoThe incision discovered inside the victim’s vagina was determined by the British autopsy to have been caused during the Thai autopsy, not as a result of sexual attack.

DNA files presented had the accused names on them, rather than a proper file reference number. This is not possible without pre-knowledge of whose DNA the sample being tested belonged to.

The DNA on the murder weapon matched neither of the accused. The police originally claimed the murder weapon had no DNA evidence.

The DNA tests presented by the prosecution were not provided with the necessary supportive documents showing multiple procedures required to meet ISO 17025 standards required in DNA testing. Including the chain of custody, method of testing, graph generation and analysis report.

The police claimed a 100% DNA match with the accused from samples taken from the victim’s body this is scientifically impossible in any forensic lab anywhere in the world

Other questionable evidence not raised by the appeal includes CCTV footage of the only pier with boats leaving the island immediately after the murders not being examined and blonde hairs found in the victim’s hand not being examined.
The defence team believe that the prosecutions requirement to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt has clearly not been met.

Koh Tao investigationWhile the families, friends and supporters of the now convicted men have always questioned how it was possible with the evidence presented in court to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the men were guilty of the crimes, the appeal documents now makes it abundantly clear that not only was it not proved beyond reasonable doubt, vital evidence that would normally lead to a conviction was missing entirely. With this in mind the guilty verdict and subsequent death penalty is unfathomable. There is no evidence to suggest the female victim was raped, or that either men caused the death of both Hannah and David, let alone both managing to kill them and both being convicted of the same murders. The newly available information from the appeal also brings into question how it was possible, in light of the new revelations, to lose the trial in the first place.

With such lack of evidence, compliance with DNA testing standards, police investigation procedures and even Thai law, one must also question why, on the day of the verdict Mr Michael Miller, brother of the victim, very publically announced that having listened very carefully to the evidence he and his family were satisfied the right men had been convicted. It seems that the Miller family are one of only a handful of people who are convinced. Mr Miller, in his post-verdict statement went on to comment that both men had showed no remorse. Perhaps this was due to neither men feeling remorse for a crime they did not commit and who stood to lose their lives because of it. Both of the now convicted men have relayed their sorrow for the victims and their families and Zaw Lin has vowed that should he be released he would like to support the families of the victims of the crime he is also a victim of. Mr Michael Miller also asked the boys supporters to accept the verdict of the court. In light of the newly published appeal evidence, it has Zaw Lin in courtbecome very obvious as to why they were insulted by his request. One has to also question that why the Miller family are not as determined to ensure that true justice is found for David, when so much doubt surrounds this conviction. “Wrongful convictions and scapegoating are common place in this part of the world” said one supporter, who asked to remain anonymous, “perhaps the Millers are unaware this is not the UK and you cannot trust the verdict of the courts, this is a 3rd world country where mistakes are made far more often than in the west. Corruption is rife here” she went on to say “I am not sure which trial they were listening carefully too, but I was present during the Koh Tao murder trial and I was far more confused when I left on the last day than I was went I went in on day one”.

Supporters of the two convicted men around the world continue to fight for the truth, a new and fair trial, and some answer to the question of who did commit these crimes. Would finding the truth prevent another family having to cope with such un unimaginable tragedy and were the other 6 suspicious deaths of foreigners on Koh Tao in some way connected and were the other 5 of Asians part of some macabre dark secret kept by the residents of Koh Tao.

Wai Phyo Zaw LinThere will always be speculation over the convictions of Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, two young men whose only dream in life was being able to provide for their families. These new revelations will do nothing but fuel the fire of unfair trials, corruption, mafia activity on the islands, cover-ups and scapegoating. Should the boys win the appeal and be freed, questions will then be raised over the investigations, trails and convictions of others who profess their innocence and the shadow of international suspicion will continue to fall on a small island in the gulf of Thailand that has proved itself in the light of the international media to be far darker than it appears!


http://www.samuitimes.com/koh-tao-mu...l-convictions/

So there was DNA on the murder weapon, which has never been matched to a person ? Do a test on that Thai guy who was originally suspected of the crime, but who claimed to be in BKK.

And what about the puncture marks on David's body which so suspiciously match the sharks tooth ring that Thai guy (same one, or different ?) wears ? Where do the police say these odd puncture marks came from ??

And what about the alleged argument between the two victims (or perhaps just one of them) and a Thai man in a bar just hours earlier ?

And the missing cctv footage from inside and outside the ac bar.

Also the footage from the pier when Monsod made his escape.

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

DNA files presented had the accused names on them, rather than a proper file reference number. This is not possible without pre-knowledge of whose DNA the sample being tested belonged to.

Oops! This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. Nothing like a secure chain of evidence.

Jesus ! The whole thing appears to be a cluster-fuck !

What a bunch of clowns. It's horrifying, yet at the same time fascinating to see what on earth will happen.

^
Doubt much will change. From very early on 'Mr Happiness' said they were the guilty ones. Who will come out and say otherwise?

They will top the two lads, and then smile and grin when anyone says anything against them. Meanwhile MilkSod boy will carry on raping and murdering. Lets hope his next target is at least the daughter or wife of one of the many corrupt judges and coppers who are committing the travesty of justice.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

They will top the two lads

Claim justice has been done. Case closed. In a few years all will be forgotten old news.

^ Indeed, that's what they are hoping and it will probably happen. Forgotten, until Mr Happy is removed from office when it will be too late.

UK should make their autopsy and police findings public through the BKK Embassy and put the island on risk equivalent to the Southern region.

And theres the case of the Scottish guy who got chased around by the two Thai guys on thbe night of the murder and they wanted the Scottish guy to "hang himself" because they clammed that he commited the murders.
So the Thai guys must have known that there had been two murders that night , although the bodies were not found until the following morning .
So the Thai guys actually knew that there had been murders before the bodies were officially found .
If the Thai guys thought that the Scottish guy did the murders, why would they want him to die ?
Why didnt they immediately call the Police?

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Rest easy fellers..

Thailand is the hub of justice...

Yeah. The hub of just .... ice

but she wore a bikini !!!!!

^ One of the stupidest and most heartless fcking things ever uttered...