Thread: Two TEFLers Dead in Apartment

Originally Posted by DrAndy

It just seems unlikely that two people would die so quietly from drugs poisoning together

Heh...

Originally Posted by draco888

Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Originally Posted by thegent

Rather think we can do without the photographs.

Unless of course TD is fair and square in the camp of the chickenhead morons incapable of understanding how disrespectful and offensive they are to any decent, civilised human being?

Fair enough - but why is it that *you* object to them, then?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Louis's wife Thamaporn Apison, 44, told police that she had been living with him for about 14 years.

14 years! So this isn't a new couple and for her to be baffled as to what happened makes this story even more mysterious and sad. I hope the two deceased get proper autopsies and that their families can get closure.

Originally Posted by 9999

I highly doubt a botched attempt at making valium would result in something that lethal. You need to take A LOT to OD. And I don't think anything ultra-poisonous is used when brewing a batch of benzos, if say they failed to get to the intended compound and you end up eating pre-cursors.

have you ever done Qualudes ?

is there any drug you would put your watch off, when taking it?

Originally Posted by alitongkat

is there any drug you would put your watch off, when taking it?

I always take my watch off when at home,

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Blimey. Google translate on the report in the link opines that drug over dose might be the culprit.

Strangely similar to the case of the two tourists recently found in their room?

Yes , very similar , very sad .

BKK

Foreigners found dead in hotel room | Bangkok Post: breakingnews

Well, those two guys overdosed.

Then again, if the intention was to deliberately engage in some drug-taking, that could *also* explain the sleep-like poses - though I doubt the girlfriend of 14 years would have been that surprised.

It just appears like a weird situation, at first, but once all the facts surface, it'll all make sense.

yes, really unfortunate, that the wife was all night out... and couldnt call for help...

i dont believe, they were drug addicts or would take TWO of such drugs as beginners...
its easy said, that they were druggies, but its not at all sure...

the scene can have been staged as well..
also, that they didnt die there...
it looks - to me - just too tidy for people that hang out for some drug session... sure, can be wrong...

neither does it look, as if they wanted to go out.. and first take some better-mood-stuff...
him in his weird-buttoned-blue shirt, and the other hm... and throwing drugs no food, no drinks, no smoke just nothing but a toilet paper on the table?

I shall endeavour to substitute for ENT's missed contribution...

They could have eaten some fishy food contaminated with pakpao (Pufferfish).

Toxic shock from eating fish matches their presentation... not necessarily Fugu (Puffer Fish), but toxins similar to those in Red Tide (Algal bloom) can be absorbed into both fish and shellfish, and it can be sayonara.

If they were drinking (or toking), then they might assume that the initial stages of the neurotoxin working through their system (the numbness and loss of control), and then as it worked through their muscles, they'd become gradually zombified - unable to move, and then they would vomit and shit themselves, and as their breathing functions succumbed, they might simultaneously begin to asphyxiate and drown on their own puke, whilst semi or fully conscious, but unable to move.

The Pauli exclusion principle means that the parallel alignment of spins of the free electrons of the outer shell of the Oxygen atom of the Tetrodotoxin molecule and the cation of the Sodium atom in the nerve cell membrane, the toxin actually chemically binds to the outer electron shell of the Sodium ions in the voltage-gated ion channels on the surface membrane your nerve cells, and hence there's no free electron to pass a current and stimulate an action potential (i.e.: a feeling). This is where the paralysis comes from, but it also affects the heart's messaging to the brain, so you lose the regulation of hearbeat, which allows the heartbeat to increase to 100bpm, which it does, as a kind of automatic "fight or flight" survival mechanism; and you shit yourself.

Apart from Mercury poisoning you can get Histamine-facilitated poisoining from commonly-eaten fish like Tuna, Mackerel, Shark, Swordfish, Salmon, Sardine, Herring, Tilapia, and Catfish that's been sat around too long outside the fridge and started to rot. The Histadine in the fish breaks down into Histamine, which can't be cooked out, and it acts like a trojan horse for allergens and toxic bacteria like M. Morganii.
Ciguatoxin, Mitotoxin, Scaritoxin, and Palytoxin can be found in dinoflagillates such as Gambierdiscus toxicus ingested via prey by commonly-eaten reef fish like Sea Bass and Red Snapper. The Pseudoalteromonas Tetraodonis bacteria can usually be found in fish of the Pufferfish family.

You also can get a range of fatal poisining syndromes from Saxitoxin in oysters, mussels, scallops, clams, and prawns. Saxitoxin also blocks the Sodium gated ion channels in your nerve cell membrane. There's even a chance they could have sucummed to Calcium-gated ion channel inhibition of the Conotoxin of the marine cone snail by accidental contamination.
There's also a Cyanotoxin (Red Tide algal bloom toxin) called Anatoxin-a whose moecular structure is verissimilitudinous to Cocaine, and can really fuck you fuck up very quickly if it contaiminates seafood or water.
Pufferfish and Tuna toxins kick in quickly, but other bacteria like Ciguatera, Vibrio, and Pseudamonas can be delayed by up to two or three days.

Whatever it was, it seems like a fast-acting toxin that causes paralysis and vomiting, and possibly increased heart rate; Carbon Monoxide poisoning takes too long, and I doubt they have that kind of heating system in Bangkok.

Originally Posted by BobR

'Mother's little helper' returns as drug-takers use more Valium as cheap alternative to heroin | Mail Online

A tranquilizer once known as ‘mother’s little helper’ is experiencing a new surge in use, according to a drug information charity.
DrugScope said diazepam, which is better known under its defunct brand name Valium, was previously known for ‘ anaesthetising a generation of British housewives’ in the 1960s and 70s.


Try spending the day with 4 or 5 classes of hyper active Thai children, especially when the Thai teacher does not show up. Mother's little helper is teacher's little helper so long as you do not take too much.

better to just feed them to the kids.

What, these?

'Like swallowing fish hooks': Man dies after cockroach-eating contest

Originally Posted by Anatidaephobia

Well, those two guys overdosed.

Then again, if the intention was to deliberately engage in some drug-taking, that could *also* explain the sleep-like poses - though I doubt the girlfriend of 14 years would have been that surprised.

It just appears like a weird situation, at first, but once all the facts surface, it'll all make sense.

The facts wont surface. These are men. We are a dime a dozen.

These four dead guys won't get a quarter of the attention the two Canadian girls are getting.

I cant find any info on what killed the first two guys yet we have scientists from all over the world and government agencies getting involved with the dead girls.

Originally Posted by alitongkat

yes, really unfortunate, that the wife was all night out... and couldnt call for help...

i dont believe, they were drug addicts or would take TWO of such drugs as beginners...
its easy said, that they were druggies, but its not at all sure...

the scene can have been staged as well..
also, that they didnt die there...
it looks - to me - just too tidy for people that hang out for some drug session... sure, can be wrong...

neither does it look, as if they wanted to go out.. and first take some better-mood-stuff...
him in his weird-buttoned-blue shirt, and the other hm... and throwing drugs no food, no drinks, no smoke just nothing but a toilet paper on the table?

Too tidy ?

Its a dump. Shit stacked all over that table. The furniture is not positioned properly.

The toilet paper... Maybe they were parachuting some powder with the toilet paper ..

Parachuting is a method of swallowing drugs by rolling or folding powdered or crushed drugs in a piece of toilet paper (or other similar paper) to ingest while avoiding the taste of the chemical.[1] It is sometimes called a "snow bomb", especially if using cocaine.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

I shall endeavour to substitute for ENT's missed contribution...

Well done, especially weaving the oxygen atom into it... Green sent.

Originally Posted by alitongkat

yes, really unfortunate, that the wife was all night out... and couldnt call for help...
i dont believe, they were drug addicts or would take TWO of such drugs as beginners...
its easy said, that they were druggies, but its not at all sure...

Agreed, most of these are easy to call - this case, not so much.

we have no "confirmation" of ANY of the deaths...
its always assumed "drugs", but what they died of nobody gets to know...

nepalese man
swedish guy
the one found in the laundry...
the arab girl (dead after visiting phi phi)
the guy swimming in his pool face down
etc
etc
etc

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by alitongkat

is there any drug you would put your watch off, when taking it?

I always take my watch off when at home,

but one of them wasnt "home" there...

i think the older one was the apartment owner, probably the one in the black shirt?

then the visitor has his shirt wrongly buttoned and his watch off?

Not everyone is following the news. If there were bad drugs kicking around out there most users probably don't know about it. TD is a good source for keeping up to date on the deaths and issues out there.


Sometimes this seems like a website for solving daily murder mysteries. Expat and tourist death is in the air this month.

Poirot, not everybody wears a watch.

Originally Posted by wtf

Poirot, not everybody wears a watch.

SSsssshhhh

In regards to OD'ing on valium your looking at a large number of pills. From what I have been told/read doctors often joke that there is more chance of dying from choking on all the pills than actually OD'ing.

Looks like they may have been bored to death, actually.

ODing on Valium, you'd have to take a ton. You'd probably die of dehydration, like on sleeping tablets? That'd take some time.

What's with the watch obsession. I haven't worn a watch in 20 years.

^^^ In line with my thinking, but would have thought even the local plod would have noticed some evidence like a rolled up bill, line traces on a mirror. Dunno, not into the drug scene, but this must have been quickly incapassitating, like the other two tourists. Very strange. Two cases of two guys dead quickly.....