Thread: Big Fire on Asoke

Originally Posted by Jon Snow

Originally Posted by thegent

They have to be the most irresponsible, stupid people in the hemisphere.

I would give that particular accolade to the Philippines. The Thai are light years ahead of them, so you can imagine.

I'd trust a Flip sparky well before I'd trust a Thai one.

Not least because if you speak English, there's a fighting chance they might understand you, and not just nod when they don't understand a fucking word.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'd trust a Flip sparky well before I'd trust a Thai one.

Not least because if you speak English, there's a fighting chance they might understand you, and not just nod when they don't understand a fucking word.

I worked in the Philippines for four years and have worked in Thailand from 92-98 and 2007 until now. So I think I have a good experience of both.
The Filipino is a good worker outside the Philippines but hopeless in the Philippines.
I don’t know why this is, - peer pressure to lower their standards or what?
That’s been my experience anyway.

When I said the Thai was advanced, I was thinking more of infrastructure and services.
I know Thailand has many faults in that dept but the phills is worse I would say, by a long way

Originally Posted by thegent

Is anyone surprised the responsible fire officer in charge actually waited to get permission from the building's owner before forcing entry? .

Most power cables are still overground, suspended unevenly and dangerously from posts whose heights are only uniform in their disparity .

They have to be the most irresponsible, stupid people in the hemisphere.

Cant argue with the Gents Assessment of just how brain dead the Thai system is and it really makes the mind boggle just how the country actually manages to keep going considering its full of bolliks and fuk ups.

In most civilized countries Firefighters will enter a burning building anyway they deem fit in order to initially perform rescue of the public, protect the building from further damage and minimize the risk to themselves by bringing the crisis under control in the quickest time possible.

The longer decisions are not made to get to the seat of the fire the spread of fire accelerates quickly placing the risk to life and property at ever increasing peril.

We are protected by law to enter a building by force if the need arises and answer to ourselves only. To think an experienced Fire Officer in Thailand would actually consider delaying an entry because he feels he needs to gain permission from the owner only reinforces the insanity of there rational. The worlds population would have a hard time getting there head around that one.

As far as Fire Fighting ladder platforms go the rule of thumb is 7 meters away from the closest power line unless its high voltage and then its don't go near it unless the power is eliminated. Water and electricity are powerful bed partners and need's to be respected especially when one is suspended 30 meters above the ground by a harness only.

Actually 30 meter Fire ladders are considered baby's these days and the largest ladders now top out at 120 meters. These are massive and beyond most Firefighters abilities to handle true heights. Mostly manned by crack dedicated high rise firefighting professional personal who ride these machines full time specializing in there art.

Take into consider jet reaction and the movement at the top of the Ladder which is accelerated with height when water is being supplied to the top of the ladder one gets an idea just how frightening it would be suspended 120 meters in the air in a tiny cage with a harness as a security blanket.


Thai firefighters are up against it considering the pure amount of power lines danging from every power pole and there belief that safety standards are not really necessary ( thongs, T shirts and other shit ) but I suppose they don't give a fuk as they have a shit load of Tattoos and an amulet to protect them.

Fok me EH.

City blaze prompts safety fears | Bangkok Post: news

City blaze prompts safety fears

SPRINKLER PROBLEMS IN BUILDING, FIRE REGULATIONS FOR OLD STRUCTURES TO BE RE-EXAMINED

• Published: 4/03/2012 at 02:20 AM
• Newspaper section: News

A massive fire erupted at the 13-storey Fico Place building in the busy commercial area of Sukhumvit Soi 21 yesterday sparking concerns about the safety of old buildings in the city.


JUST ADD WATER: Paper and debris fly out of shattered office windows as a fire rages in the upper floors of the Fico Place building on Sukhumvit Soi 21.PHOTO: PATIPAT JANTHONG

The fire started about 2.30pm on the seventh floor of the office building on Asok Road before rapidly spreading up to the 13th floor.

Thirachon Manomaipibul, deputy Bangkok governor for civil engineering, claimed the building had an inadequate sprinkler system.

Asok Road was closed as fire-fighters rushed to tackle the blaze.

No casualties were reported. About 50 people working in the building were evacuated. The intense heat caused the glass exterior to shatter which sent shards hurtling to the pavement.

Fire-fighters spraying water often had to back away from the building to avoid being hit by falling glass fragments.

Once inside, they had to break their way through doors to bring fire hoses into the building.

Police said it was a slow process to control the fire because the first few cranes to arrive were not tall enough for the water spraying operation.

Some large fire engines could not get close to the building as the street was too narrow. At least 30 fire engines were called to the scene.

The blaze was brought under control about 4.25pm. The closure of Asok Road, one of the city's main routes, paralysed traffic into the area for hours.

Security guard Sunthorn Jamrern, 44, said he was working on the ground floor when he heard workers above shout in distress. The building is normally quiet on the weekend.

Mr Sunthorn rushed to the seventh floor and saw a fire. He then alerted people in the upper floors to vacate the building.

Pol Col Rattasak Raksalam, chief of Thong Lor police station, said the cause of the fire has not been determined.

He said an electrician at the building had recently replaced electrical wiring on the seventh floor.

Sajja Khontrong, chief of Wattana district, said Fico Place, which was built in 1979, houses about 20 company offices.

Mr Thirachon said the building was constructed before the Building Safety Control Act of 1992 came into effect.

The act made adequate water sprinklers compulsory. Mr Thirachon claimed the building's substandard sprinkler system led to the blaze spreading rapidly.

Fico Place will be closed until necessary improvements are made in line with the safety control act. Damage to the building has not been assessed.

The deputy governor said City Hall was seeking cooperation from owners of pre-1992 buildings to improve internal fire-fighting and warning systems.

If necessary, the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) will approve mandatory measures to modernise safety features of Bangkok buildings.

Another deputy Bangkok governor, Malinee Sukvejvorakij, said forensic science experts and the BMA's civil engineers will inspect the structural strength of the building after the fire.

"It has yet to conclude whether the building breached any law," she said.

Ms Malinee said many high-rises were located in small sois which are too narrow for fire engines to get into. She said the BMA would "pay serious attention to the issue".

She said city regulations restricted the construction of tall buildings in narrow streets. However, some owners have tiptoed around the regulations. Physical layouts of the buildings are adjusted to avoid qualifying them as "tall buildings" which would subject them to strict controls and inspections.

Krit Srichawla, chief executive of Fico Corporation, the building owner, said all damages were covered by insurance. An office owner at the base of the building said she had not a fire drill take place there in at least five years.

A few years ago (quite a few I guess), I saw Apriak (then governor of Bangkok) on a panel discussion at the FCCT. The topic was property development and the new city zoning law under consideration. He did the usual job of saying how great Bangkok was and how the city was carefully planning for the future. One of the other panellists, the CEO of Golden Land Development - and Indian guy or Indian-Thai maybe - pointed out that Thailand had light years to go to become a world-class city. He gave several other examples of cities that had greened urban areas, created seawalls for walking and riverside cycle trails, etc. He then said that Bangkok's main pride-and-joy Sukhumvit was a pedestrian hazard - a city that couldn't even pave the sidewalks so people could "walk" on them without tripping. At that point Apirak left before the Q and A. In the land of the blind...

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by thegent

They have to be the most irresponsible, stupid people in the hemisphere.

they are simply cute little monkeys, and that's how you should take them, stop projecting yourself or your "kind" through them, it's pointless

theGents is going through a bad time recently, so has taken to ranting against the Thais at any opportunity, as if it will do any good or change anything

It is a sad fact that the system is a mess and lack of money to fix it not available

training of firemen is poor, equipment is not up to the job, etc etc

ranting against the Thais as a whole does nothing except make you look a fool for living here