Thread: Hong Kong Was Better Under the British

What is with reading comprehension these days
List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Then I said Quatar couple of oil countries. OK Luxembourg is an non-state receiving high ranking by banking status. Not a real country. It would notch HK one down if you were an ass.

1 Qatar 102,891
2 Luxembourg 84,829
3 Singapore 59,936
4 Norway 53,376
5 Brunei 49,517
— Hong Kong 49,342

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by nostromo

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by nostromo

but today Hong Kong is richer than France or Belgium.

I would be interested in your definition of the metrics by which you are calculating the above statement?

Oh, just old plain OECD figures, that are handy in what I posted before:

Richest countries
3 Singapore
5 Hong Kong
7 USA
These are richest industrial countries
These are Ex-British Empire


List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China, I am assuming that HK has reverted back to Chinese sovereignty, is No. 90, Belgium No. 16, France No. 20

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If this your only definition of the "richest" country, that is.

I do not know if there is a thread about GDP PPP or nominal definition, dont think so, but I think you in the end favour PPP.

It measures what the local people get for their salary.

Originally Posted by nostromo

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

you cant just pick the raisins, so i add some more hard facts

myanmar
malaysia
india
pakistan
some fucked up countries in africa
and more
ireland was the poorest country in europe for a long time
all ex british colonies
etcetcetc...

and the examples you mentioned mostly got rich by exploitation like hongkong, or singapore its run by poor slave-like people. the normal wage of a mainland chinese worker in hongkong is also not really high

Sorry to break your anti-British fantasy but there are more hard facts...
You claim the losers are

- Myanmar - certainly, broke off violently from the British Empire, not their responsibility any more

- Malaysia - successful industrial state, richer than most of europe

- India - called worlds largest democracy, know some indians can be kunts at times but in places like Bangalore they are quite professional and good people - and doing well financially

- pakistan - broke off violently, religious fanatics

- "some fucked up countries in africa" oh you can not name any of them - since no one cares no one cares. Africa has been a loser for everyone mostly including Africans. Lets see... about only livable places in Africa are Botswana (ex-British) and South Africa (partly ex-British - the ex-British part were opposed to apartheid you know?).

- Ireland. Oh this is where you come from. Hate the UK. One of the PIIGS, bailout by other European states. And it is all UKs fault, sure.

- All ex british colonies? Which ones dear boy?

- etcetcetc where is this colony?


"got rich by exploitation like hongkong" you missed your economy 101 or more likely are not old enough to be in class. Strike that, not likely you could be in uni.

"singapore its run by poor slave-like people" Well this is one I never heard before. It tells quite a lot of authors lack of knowledge outside Europe/Ireland/Alabama/End of the world, MA.

youre missing the point and getting personal. btw i got a ph.d. most historians would agreee that the british empire didnt do the world much good. and maybe u should first start getting your own coutry organized before saving the rest of the world

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

You [et al] just don't get it. Not connected at all. Shouldn't surprised when your wired in a particular linear model.

What the hell does my being wired in any direction have to do with Mel Gibson slicing up red coats?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Democracy is a system of balance of power so social stability can endure, nothing more, nothing less

Please watch the "Types of Governments " vid. Pretty please with sugar on it watch it.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by nostromo

You can go everywhere with public transport fast and efficiently, even beyond disneyland.

yes, that must be the only place in the world where you can do that

can do that in bkk too... hk is no role model for good living, just look how they treat the foreign philippine workers therer, no thx...

How about you getting organized - telling what was wrong with my assessment. Country by country if you please. As you started your funny vendetta against me. It is always personal if someone calls one a liar. No worries mate, I dont really care.

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

Originally Posted by nostromo

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

you cant just pick the raisins, so i add some more hard facts

myanmar
malaysia
india
pakistan
some fucked up countries in africa
and more
ireland was the poorest country in europe for a long time
all ex british colonies
etcetcetc...

and the examples you mentioned mostly got rich by exploitation like hongkong, or singapore its run by poor slave-like people. the normal wage of a mainland chinese worker in hongkong is also not really high

Sorry to break your anti-British fantasy but there are more hard facts...
You claim the losers are

- Myanmar - certainly, broke off violently from the British Empire, not their responsibility any more

- Malaysia - successful industrial state, richer than most of europe

- India - called worlds largest democracy, know some indians can be kunts at times but in places like Bangalore they are quite professional and good people - and doing well financially

- pakistan - broke off violently, religious fanatics

- "some fucked up countries in africa" oh you can not name any of them - since no one cares no one cares. Africa has been a loser for everyone mostly including Africans. Lets see... about only livable places in Africa are Botswana (ex-British) and South Africa (partly ex-British - the ex-British part were opposed to apartheid you know?).

- Ireland. Oh this is where you come from. Hate the UK. One of the PIIGS, bailout by other European states. And it is all UKs fault, sure.

- All ex british colonies? Which ones dear boy?

- etcetcetc where is this colony?


"got rich by exploitation like hongkong" you missed your economy 101 or more likely are not old enough to be in class. Strike that, not likely you could be in uni.

"singapore its run by poor slave-like people" Well this is one I never heard before. It tells quite a lot of authors lack of knowledge outside Europe/Ireland/Alabama/End of the world, MA.

youre missing the point and getting personal. btw i got a ph.d. most historians would agreee that the british empire didnt do the world much good. and maybe u should first start getting your own coutry organized before saving the rest of the world

i didnt get personal, u did, i dont go on that level. again, my point was that u just pick the raisins and ignore the other examples where british colonies fucked up, thats the argument, got it?
for example myanmar, most fucked up, u say, yes but its not the british fault, i mean u can do that with any example. of course its your fault if it was a british colony. u blew it.

^

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

of course its your fault if it was a british colony. u blew it.

That sounds personal to me. Maybe you can edit it.

As you fail to provide any evidence of intelligence I must delete you now. Though it was a bit of fun speaking with you. Thought you were German admiring Michael Shumacher as your nick suggests. But no German would be such an clueless idiot.

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

i didnt get personal, u did, i dont go on that level. again, my point was that u just pick the raisins and ignore the other examples where british colonies fucked up, thats the argument, got it?
for example myanmar, most fucked up, u say, yes but its not the british fault, i mean u can do that with any example. of course its your fault if it was a british colony. u blew it.

Originally Posted by Zampan0

^

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

of course its your fault if it was a british colony. u blew it.

That sounds personal to me. Maybe you can edit it.

its not personal, i dont see any insult in that, y dont u just try to accept other opinions?
im not into starting a fight so i simply kneel down to the famous british empire for creating such lovely places like sudan, where i sometimes wander through the downtown of darfur and admire the wondeful colonial architecture before haveing some polo match.

Originally Posted by nostromo

As you fail to provide any evidence of intelligence I must delete you now. Though it was a bit of fun speaking with you. Thought you were German admiring Michael Shumacher as your nick suggests. But no German would be such an clueless idiot.

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

i didnt get personal, u did, i dont go on that level. again, my point was that u just pick the raisins and ignore the other examples where british colonies fucked up, thats the argument, got it?
for example myanmar, most fucked up, u say, yes but its not the british fault, i mean u can do that with any example. of course its your fault if it was a british colony. u blew it.

well u are right, but my name is just because my names michael, but have fun anyway in cultivating your narrow-minded view on the world.

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

but have fun anyway in cultivating your narrow-minded view on the world.

That sounds personal to me. Maybe u should edit it so u dont go dwn on that level.

Originally Posted by Zampan0

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

but have fun anyway in cultivating your narrow-minded view on the world.

That sounds personal to me. Maybe u should edit it so u dont go dwn on that level.

sorry, please dont tell it to the admin, dont wanna get kicked out of the forum, Thx
please, zampano, im really sorry calling a person narrow minded, im sorry

^Your kidding me?

Originally Posted by nostromo

I do not know if there is a thread about GDP PPP or nominal definition, dont think so, but I think you in the end favour PPP.

It measures what the local people get for their salary.

you are a complete retard, PPP is quite irrelevant since it can't be measured accurately, only in rough estimate for Relative PPP, and absolute PPP is only an academic exercise

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by nostromo

I do not know if there is a thread about GDP PPP or nominal definition, dont think so, but I think you in the end favour PPP.

It measures what the local people get for their salary.

you are a complete retard, PPP is quite irrelevant since it can't be measured accurately, only in rough estimate for Relative PPP, and absolute PPP is only an academic exercise

Seems you need a bit of teaching. There boy. Sit down. Economics 101: What is GDP, GNP, PPP, PP or Per capita, purchasing power parity and dogs underpants, and other really difficult stuff?. Nominal GDP PP and GNP PP as indicators of national well-being were phased out since they do not represent the reality. PPP stands for purchasing power parity. Lets have an example here. If Burma, eh Myanmar, chose value their currency kyat costing 10000 dollars then they would be in the top of GDP PP, but not GDP PPP. GDP PPP on the other hand tries to determine what people living in specific country can buy with their salary. While it can never be 100% accurate, as no economics is, it is close enough, especially in developed nations where statistical data in reliable, which are being discussed here.

I know this is impossible to understand for south european who just gets the money from north. Butters just face it, your France and Belgium belong to southern Europe, all the way, and did before they were downgraded. If you just fuck off euro, you can have your currency valued by your finmin at 10000 dollars too and be at the top of GDP PP...

^ again using GDP as the only measure of wealth is extremely misleading, no need to add relative PPP into the mix so you can sound less retarded that you are already

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by nostromo

You can go everywhere with public transport fast and efficiently, even beyond disneyland.

yes, that must be the only place in the world where you can do that

can do that in bkk too... hk is no role model for good living, just look how they treat the foreign philippine workers therer, no thx...

Whats wrong with the way that Filipinas are treated here?

There's a case going through the Courts now that could see Domestic helpers who remain here 7 years receiving a permanent ID card, meaning full rights to work in any job they like.

In their current capacity they work as domestic servants. All receive an income (presumably better than the one they would get at home), free health service, food,a roof over their heads, and if they are reasonably good looking a chance to find a husband. Not too bad all things considered.

i wasnt referring to the law but to the every day racism against them. i had an interesting talk to a philippines professor about that at a conference. what i saw at hk was kind of saddening, phil ladies sitting outside in the cold having picknicks in the road and no real place to go to.

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

what i saw at hk was kind of saddening, phil ladies sitting outside in the cold having picknicks in the road and no real place to go to.

Well thats true - some do sit outside on their sundays, and in the cold season (as it is now), erect wind breaks out of cardboard, which does make it look like a shanty town.

But. ....how can I put this. You see the ones you see - but you don't see the ones in college where they learn computing and foreign languages, or in their church groups. Some others go to the discos.

It's their day off and they want to meet in a central location with their friends. They could go on a hike on their day off (like I do), but they'd rather congregate with compatriots. I guess they can't afford to all go for tea at the Mandarin Oriental, (neither can I), but if they chose to - they'd be allowed in.

Originally Posted by Zampan0

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

please, zampano, im really sorry calling a person narrow minded, im sorry

Ok, I won't this time. I am a believer in 2nd chances. You are forgiven. Although I do have a similar psyche to that of Ralph Fiennes character of the German concentration camp comandant Amon Goeth. That is, I can forgive a person then five minutes later shoot him in the back of his head, metaphorically speaking of course.

oh, you know grandpa?

There is nothing wrong with the treatment of Filipina's in HK, which is not to say there will not be some casual racism from the HK Chinese (when they are not excoriating us gwailo's). For a start, their minimum wages are around double those paid in stingy Singapore. They get one mandated day off per week, which may not impress a westerner but it certainly beats the ME countries, where they have no mandated holiday. The Central HK area (around the Mandarin) on Sundays resembles a massive bird cage, with Filpina's everywhere, chattering away. Some of the locals resented that, although I thought it was quite charming. I suppose it's a bit like the Red Shirts camped at Ratchprasong last year- some of the 'elitists' resent their vision being sullied by the hoi polloi when they're out fashionably shopping. Anyway, in spite of the storm in a teacup some years ago nothing changed, and the amah's still take over Central on Sundays, it's a peculiarly HK phenomenon.