Thread: Hong Kong Was Better Under the British

i been to hongkong recently and almost saw no western face, its almost like mainland china

The French failed in those colonies and let them go because they were themselves defeated by the Germans, it didn't make sense to keep those colonies, and after the war a consensus was building among intellectuals and politics that French colonization was a thing of the past

it will be the same with the silly Americans when they lose Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan,

they need to get a good ass kicking to understand that they are no colonial power

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

I been to hongkong recently and almost saw no western face, its almost like mainland china

A bonus for sure, unlike Thailand where its flooded with western muppets.

I must say, those Hong Kong girls are quite stupendous in the looks department.

Gave me the horn.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

Originally Posted by nevets

sale of Opeum.

is that the same as opium?
I think you have been reading too much James Clavell

IT is widely known on this forum that i can not spell so dont bother and waist your time correcting

Originally Posted by thegent

I rather think you are somewhat ignorant of the reality. Hong Kong and Kowloon is essentially a city utterly dependent upon the New Territories and mainland China for its survival. That is from where its water and food comes from. The lease for the New Territories expired in 1997. No New Territories = no food. It's hardly rocket science.

This is how it was spun, but food, power and water were not really the issue.

After all Singapore manages perfectly well importing resources.

Problem A) would have been that Boundary Street would have been enforced as the frontier, and many Hong Kongers currently live beyond it.

Problem B) was that China wouldn't have accepted anything other than Britain renouncing its permanent interest in HK island and the Kowloon peninsula. Military action was rumoured to have been threatened by Deng Xiaoping.

If the New Territories had been ceded on a freehold basis rather than a 99 year lease, Hong Kong would be an independent republic now, like Singapore, ( or a renegade province like Taiwan). History and perception would have unfolded differently. As it is Hong Kongers have never shed their 'slave mentalilty' and never matured politically.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

I been to hongkong recently and almost saw no western face, its almost like mainland china

A bonus for sure, unlike Thailand where its flooded with western muppets.

I must say, those Hong Kong girls are quite stupendous in the looks department.

Gave me the horn.

totally agree, never saw so many hotties in one place, but only looking, no action. not that i need westerners, but its hard to get connected there, except to the ugly looking philippinas in hk

Originally Posted by thehighlander959

Have a look at Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos when the French had them.

If ever there was a message for the Americans who went into Vietnam, it was the way the Vietnamese kicked the French militaries ass at Dien Bien Phu. I believe the same happened in Algeria all be it on a much larger scale and closer to home.

No winning hearts and minds with the French, just stick the Foreign Legion in as part of the occupying force with their thugs, rapists and gangsters with no fixed abode other than France.

How to piss off the colonialists in one easy movement.
I bet the French surrender at Dien Bien Phu was great fun too.

You'll remember that sometime before the final curtain in the Northern highlands, the Americans had secured the reins from the French by late 1952, basically underwriting 80% of that Franco quagmire to make it their own....the French probably wouldn't have attempted to reacquire the broad Indochina colony after WW2 if not for general support from the Anglo-American establishment.

Post-war, the Americans were already hungry to reestablish their own brand of imperial conquests....the Korean pensinsula was well into war by the early 50's and the beloved saviour found themselves in need of strongly involving themselves throughout SE Asia. Hence their heavy military build-up and [forced] agreements in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand.

Wouldn't of wanted that Commie domino theory to come to fruition.
Remembering that the colonial period of the European powers came to a head during the turbulent mid-1950s well into the 1960s, where independence movements and wars became commonplace, especially throughout Africa and Asia.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

As it is Hong Kongers have never shed their 'slave mentalilty' and never matured politically.

interesting way to put it, so much for the Brits trying to help, they didn't until it was too late (Democratic reforms of the late 90s)

Originally Posted by Butterfly

it was Thatcher who gave it all back to the Chinese without a fight, the silly bitch

China, then and more so now, would have been a tad more difficult than the Argies.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

(Democratic reforms of the late 90s)

Chris Patten was a twat. The Handover went ahead as scheduled 30th June 1997, and the next day the pointless and expensive 'reforms' were all cancelled, as promised.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Butterfly

(Democratic reforms of the late 90s)

Chris Patten was a twat. The Handover went ahead as scheduled 30th June 1997, and the next day the pointless and expensive 'reforms' were all cancelled, as promised.

That's being nice.
Nothing but a company man whore.

Originally Posted by thegent

I rather think you are somewhat ignorant of the reality. Hong Kong and Kowloon is essentially a city utterly dependent upon the New Territories and mainland China for its survival. That is from where its water and food comes from. The lease for the New Territories expired in 1997. No New Territories = no food. It's hardly rocket science. Are you seriously suggesting the British had an option to invade these after 1/7/97 and regain them by force? Against all international law and an army of 6 millions?

Are you an Americasn Itnt?

As posted on page three the utilities you speak of are there for the asking/renting. No not what I was suggesting. I am saying that the British Empire had no choice in the decision to vacate occupied Chinese territories. "Lease or no lease." Same option I would suggest the British Empire had in Malaysia, Burma, and India. The life of the British Empire as an occupier had passed and it was time to lick its wounds and return to Mother England.

The British Empire while once covering the entire globe had "outlived its ability to govern or protect its empire." In most circles the countries wanted "self governance/determination," not Imperial edicts from a foreign King/Queen. Had England drawn such a fate the English would have by now thrown out such rule. England having no such occupation know not what it foisted on their colonies while in the process of "Empire building."

No, I'm Khun Thai just like yourself. However as a Khun Thai I like to model my thoughts as though I were an Englishman and supporter of Man United, and get piss drunk whilist I watch the tele footie. Of course I'm American, why else would I wind you up?

Interesting discussion. I found myself in Africa, in the former French colonies, that the French gave them nominal independence and then maintained in place a French civil service & French army intervention to maintain a "friendly" black President. There was of course a cost. A large majority of contracts were awarded only to French firms.

The British on the other hand, basically said, "You want independence, you have got it & you can join the Commonwealth if you chose."

In Jamaica, where I lived for many years, they used to ask "When is the Queen going to visit our part of the island?"

"Why?"

"Because it's the only way these pot holes in the roads are going to be repaired man!"

Originally Posted by MANICHAEAN

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I was in Trinidad in 2002, no signs of pot holes or the need for white mans magic. Very civilized and all in all a good experience.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Same option I would suggest the British Empire had in Malaysia, Burma, and India. The life of the British Empire as an occupier had passed and it was time to lick its wounds and return to Mother England.

There was one major difference. In those countries cited, Britain gave Government back to its people. In Hong Kong's case, the place was given to China.

The 99 year lease was a catalyst for bigger change. If there had been no 99 year lease, then 1997 would not have been a date of reckoning. Maybe China would have invaded in the sixties. Maybe it would have lacked the nerve to do so (given it might have been a tipping point to WW3). Maybe Hong Kong would have matured politically and now be independent and self-governing.

So many 'what-if's', but signing that 99 year lease ultimately turned out to be a game changer. Beijing just sat back and played the long game.

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

totally agree, never saw so many hotties in one place, but only looking, no action. not that I need westerners, but its hard to get connected there, except to the ugly looking Philippinas in HK

The Hong Kong girls are educated, financial and independent.

Absolutely no need to hook up with an old fugly Westerner, they do hook up with the successful Westerner who are earning a nice wedge, wearing a suit and are willing to spend large amounts of money on then.

Singapore's the same.

Unlike Thailand where the girls will pull on a Pensioner with 30 Baht in his pocket.

[QUOTE="The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog"]Beijing just sat back and played the long game.[/QUOTE as China does

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by mikesch4ever

totally agree, never saw so many hotties in one place, but only looking, no action. not that I need westerners, but its hard to get connected there, except to the ugly looking Philippinas in HK

The Hong Kong girls are educated, financial and independent.

Absolutely no need to hook up with an old fugly Westerner, they do hook up with the successful Westerner who are earning a nice wedge, wearing a suit and are willing to spend large amounts of money on then.

Singapore's the same.

Unlike Thailand where the girls will pull on a Pensioner with 30 Baht in his pocket.

chinese girls primarily hook up with rich chinese guys, they look down on westerners, its part of their culture. of course some are a little bit more open minded. and btw i dont think youre that fugly.

Congratulations itnt, but Trinidad is not Jamaica.

When Manley came to power, the middle class engineers, teachers, doctors etc left the island.

Try driving inland away from Queens Drive on the North Coast & see the difference.

"White man's magic!" What are you smoking?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The whole world was better under British rule; goes without saying...

During my trip around India, I was stopped by an old fella at a train station. he asked me when I was coming back. Having had a belly full of the locals I told him I wouldn't. He said, 'No, the British! When are you coming back? Everything worked then!'

Originally Posted by terry57

The Hong Kong girls are educated, financial and independent.

the last thing you need is to have greedy asian educated women, then you have the worst of both world

if I wanted educated women, I would rather go with western women, at least they are fun and you can have intelligent conversation with them. Try that with a Chinese woman.

Originally Posted by MANICHAEAN

Congratulations itnt, but Trinidad is not Jamaica.

When Manley came to power, the middle class engineers, teachers, doctors etc left the island.

Try driving inland away from Queens Drive on the North Coast & see the difference.

"White man's magic!" What are you smoking?

I must be moving way to fast for you Manichaean. Comparative view from a different island colonized by unowoo....As for WMM, that's in reference to the pot holes referenced in the post on Jamacia and the lack of ability of locals to repair their pot holes without the presence of their white keepers.

While Trinidad does just fine without them. Their last govornoer was from East Indian stock I believe. Hells Bells man, you can find pot holes in the streets of London or freeways of L.A. Appels and oranges again sadly.