Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

You really are an intellectual amoeba.

how many times in the history of mankind have we seen the shamans, the village chiefs, the witches, the priests and the sorcerers tell people that the droughts, the floodings, the red moons, the thunderstorms, were because of their sins?

how long have they been manipulating people with a manufactured sense of guilt? its suicide, its jonestown.

is western civilization going to fall for the oldest of tricks and will the chinese ever be able to recover from their laughter?

Originally Posted by taxexile

how many times in the history of mankind have we seen the shamans, the village chiefs, the witches, the priests and the sorcerers tell people that the droughts, the floodings, the red moons, the thunderstorms, were because of their sins?

Well if you're gonna go the fatuous analogy route you might as well go all in I suppose...

like the ridiculous hot air merchants at the climate conference, get your own houses in order and stop adding to the problems you claim will bring about the end of civilisation before criticising others who dare to hold an alternative point of view.

in other news.

Thailand was one of the countries that did not commit to a COP26’s goal to end deforestation, prompting concern from environmental quarters.

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha did not commit to stopping and reversing deforestation and land degradation by 2030 at the COP26 climate conferences, despite over 100 nations adopting the vow.

This week, Prayut attended the World Leaders Summit, which is part of the 26th session of the Conference of the Parties (COP26) to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) in Glasgow, United Kingdom.

Among the nations taking part are some of the world’s major forest custodians, including Canada, Russia, Brazil, Colombia, Indonesia and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, according to CNN.

However, most Southeast Asian countries did not sign the commitment, with only Indonesia and Vietnam choosing to pledge their support.

Thailand refuses to sign COP26's pledge to end deforestation by 2030 - Thai Enquirer ... n-by-2030/

and good for them. why sign up to a useless gesture that will make people poorer and do nothing whatsoever to change the temperature rises.

Originally Posted by taxexile

how many times in the history of mankind have we seen the shamans, the village chiefs, the witches, the priests and the sorcerers tell people that the droughts, the floodings, the red moons, the thunderstorms, were because of their sins?

how long have they been manipulating people with a manufactured sense of guilt? its suicide, its jonestown.

is western civilization going to fall for the oldest of tricks and will the chinese ever be able to recover from their laughter?

My word but you really don't understand science, do you?

Have you taken your sheep dewormer for Covid yet?

Originally Posted by taxexile

like the ridiculous hot air merchants at the climate conference, get your own houses in order and stop adding to the problems you claim will bring about the end of civilisation before criticising others who dare to hold an alternative point of view.

in other news.





and good for them. why sign up to a useless gesture that will make people poorer and do nothing whatsoever to change the temperature rises.

Christ on a bike, even if this was an attempt at trolling it would be shit.

Originally Posted by taxexile

how many times in the history of mankind have we seen the shamans, the village chiefs, the witches, the priests and the sorcerers tell people that the droughts, the floodings, the red moons, the thunderstorms, were because of their sins?

We have the true believers aplenty here on TD. They suck the cup dry and spew it out, again and again.

6,000 + posts .....

Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

Originally Posted by OhOh

We have the true believers aplenty here on TD. They suck the cup dry and spew it out, again and again.

6,000 + posts .....

Talking of spewing it out, again and again, how many coal fired power stations are the chinkies churning out this year?

Half the coal burned in the world is burned in China. It is still adding numerous new coal power plants at home, with a lifespan of 40 to 50 years.

^As I wont be around in 2060 I'll never know.

Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

Originally Posted by OhOh

^As I wont be around in 2060 I'll never know.

If you think this year is 2060, then you definitely need new meds.

She has a point. I was listening to a radio 4 programme where they invited a top queens counsellor to give his opinion on the legality of the promises made in COP26 and he flat out said there is none, not a single one. So Greta is right, a bunch of political scum who've sold the future down the drain because we all know that big business is more important to them and short termism - they don't represent the people. In short a fuking failure, all these scum managed to do was add to their carbon footprint by flying in with their jets.

COP26: Greta Thunberg tells protest that COP26 has been a 'failure'


Greta Thunberg has told a mass rally in Glasgow that the COP26 climate summit has been a "failure".

The Swedish activist had earlier joined thousands of young people - including striking school pupils - for a march through the city.

She addressed the crowd when it arrived in George Square, saying "immediate and drastic" cuts to emissions are needed.

The march was organised by Fridays for Future Scotland, a group founded by youngsters inspired by Ms Thunberg.

It was one of the largest of a series of demonstrations that are being held throughout the summit, which is being held in the city.

Ms Thunberg said: "It is not a secret that COP26 is a failure. It should be obvious that we cannot solve a crisis with the same methods that got us into it in the first place."

She said: "We need immediate drastic annual emission cuts unlike anything the world has ever seen.

"The people in power can continue to live in their bubble filled with their fantasies, like eternal growth on a finite planet and technological solutions that will suddenly appear seemingly out of nowhere and will erase all of these crises just like that.

"All this while the world is literally burning, on fire, and while the people living on the front lines are still bearing the brunt of the climate crisis."

She described the UN climate change summit as a "two-week long celebration of business as usual and blah, blah, blah" to "maintain business as usual" and "create loopholes to benefit themselves".

Ms Thunberg added: "We know that our emperors are naked."

Activists from several other countries also gave speeches about how climate change is already affecting their homelands.

They included including Vanessa Nakate from Uganda, who said: "Historically, Africa is responsible for only 3% of global emissions and yet Africans are suffering some of the most brutal impacts fuelled by the climate crisis.

"But while the global south is on the frontlines of the climate crisis, they're not on the front pages of the world's newspapers."

The procession marched through the city's west end, past the COP26 site at the Scottish Events Campus, before heading towards the city centre.

It ended at George Square where a stage and speakers had been erected.

Charlie O'Rourke, 14, from Glasgow, skipped school to attend the march with his mother Cairsty and his sister.

He said global leaders at COP26 must "listen to the people", adding: "Don't just go for profit. Listen to what the planet needs."

His mother said she was there for her children and for "the generations to come to just show that something has to happen and it has to happen very quickly".

Finlay Pringle, 14, from Ullapool in the Highlands, travelled by train to Glasgow with his father to take part in the march.

He said: "If you really, truly love something and you want to protect it, no matter what it is, it doesn't have to be climate striking, but if there's something that you love and you want to protect it, then you should do that, don't think twice about it."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-59165781

​Whether you believe in climate change or not.

Here is the industry that could lead the way for a better future for the next generation and they could do it now, just by their usage of packaging

though as seems to be the norm 2030 is the around average commitment. Then no doubt the goal posts will be moved again.

COP26: Supermarkets promise to halve environmental impact by 2030 - BBC News

Major oil have a nice treaty called the Energy Charter Treaty in their back pockets to sue Govts with.....going to cost billions and billions.

Fossil fuel firms sue governments for £13bn over climate action

Fossil fuel companies are suing governments for more than £13bn for taking climate and environmental action that could harm their profits, new figures reveal.

Five energy companies, including British companies Rockhopper and Ascent Resources, are suing governments through investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS), a legal process that allows companies to sue governments under international laws governing trade and investment deals.

The £13bn demanded by just five companies is almost equivalent to the entire net annual climate funding provided by rich countries to the developing world, according to climate campaigners Global Justice Now.

The group warns that the courts threaten governments’ ability to take climate action and could “make a mockery” of commitments at November’s Cop26 summit in Glasgow.

Rockhopper is suing Italy for £235m over a ban on offshore oil drilling close to the country’s coast, while Ascent Resources is demanding £85.5m from Slovenia for requiring an environmental impact assessment on fracking plans

RWE and Uniper are suing the Dutch government for £1.2bn and £725m respectively for deciding to phase out coal.

TC Energy, the company behind the Keystone XL pipeline has filed the largest case, claiming nearly £11bn from the US government for cancelling the project on environmental and social justice grounds.

Jean Blaylock, trade campaigner at Global Justice Now, said: “Fossil fuel companies should be paying to fix the climate crisis they caused, but instead they want a pay-out.

“They’re suing governments who take climate action through secretive corporate courts, massively increasing the cost of climate action.

“These courts are built into trade deals and operate outside of and supersede domestic courts and legal systems. That means a country that passes meaningful legislation to phase out fossil fuels could face a multi-billion dollar fine, despite acting entirely legally. It’s utterly undemocratic.”

A spokesperson for Rockhoppers said: “The Energy Charter Treaty is designed to provide a stable platform for energy sector investments. The Italian government issued licences and encouraged significant investment in oil and gas exploration, based on this platform.

“Clearly it is not equitable to change the rules halfway through. It is also important to note that those rule changes made by the Italian government were not related to climate change and that Italy continues to produce significant quantities of oil and gas within 12 miles of the coast.”

A spokesperson for German company RWE said: “RWE is not suing the Dutch government for deciding to phase out coal. We expressly support the energy transition in the Netherlands and associated measures to reduce carbon emissions.

“We have set ourselves ambitious CO2 emission reduction targets which are science-based: the renowned Science Based Targets initiative has confirmed that RWE’s emissions reduction targets are in line with the Paris Agreement.

“RWE will become climate neutral by 2040 and is one of the world’s leading players in renewables.

“Dutch law does not provide for the resulting disruption to the property of affected companies. We do not consider this right.

“As a company headquartered in Germany, RWE has therefore filed a request for arbitration against the Netherlands at the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) in Washington under the Energy Charter Treaty.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/climate-crisis-fossil-fuels-sue-b1922067.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Charter_Treaty

Lauri Myllyvirta - Saying that "global CO2 emissions are back to pre-pandemic levels" doesn't capture what's happening. China's emissions are far above pre-pandemic levels and those of the rest of the world are still significantly below.: https://twitter.com/laurimyllyvirta/...17603632410629

Originally Posted by OhOh

One suspects the recent problems of European countries, who by scrapping their existing proven energy production in favour of wind and sun powered replacement production, has had a more actual visible and immediate impact.

The Russian solution, negotiating of long-term agreements, requiring countries to examine, conclude and agree to such long-term agreements, tends to require a more step-by-step procedure to be adopted. A win/win.

The supplying countries have a known income for xxx years and thus allows financial planning.

The supplied countries have the ability to prudently deploy alternate systems, as and when they can be proven to provide the essential outcome for their citizens' wellbeing.

If they are to protect their citizens, not mouth unachievable "promises" by the here today gone tomorrow politicians.

Rather than believing that the spot market price is a reliable indicator for their citizens' wellbeing, as opposed to financial speculators.

you should try to get a teaching job at a Business College. Show them the post above to convince them you know what you’re talking about.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

you should try to get a teaching job at a Business College. Show them the post above to convince them you know what you’re talking about.

"Those that can, do, those that can't, teach".

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

how many coal fired power stations are the chinkies churning out this year?

Not sure about this year but allegedly:



Overall less than the massive new gas emission projects, equalling 46 coal-fired power stations, OZ Minister of Emission Reduction is supporting.

(That's three more than the 43 planned in China.)

Originally Posted by OhOh

One suspects the recent problems of European countries, who by scrapping their existing proven energy production in favour of wind and sun powered replacement production, has had a more actual visible and immediate impact.

The Russian solution, negotiating of long-term agreements, requiring countries to examine, conclude and agree to such long-term agreements, tends to require a more step-by-step procedure to be adopted. A win/win.

The supplying countries have a known income for xxx years and thus allows financial planning.

The supplied countries have the ability to prudently deploy alternate systems, as and when they can be proven to provide the essential outcome for their citizens' wellbeing.

If they are to protect their citizens, not mouth unachievable "promises" by the here today gone tomorrow politicians.

Rather than believing that the spot market price is a reliable indicator for their citizens' wellbeing, as opposed to financial speculators.

you should try to get a teaching job at a Business College. Show them the post above to convince them you know what you’re talking about.

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin's Regular Press Conference on November 3, 2021

"CCTV:

COP26 President Alok Sharma released the Climate Finance Delivery Plan, reiterating the $100 billion annual climate finance commitment developed countries made to developing countries.
A target that was never realized throughout the past decade or so. Do you have any comment on this?

Wang Wenbin:

Developed countries shoulder major responsibilities for climate change and historical emissions. It is not only their moral duty but also a binding international obligation under the UNFCCC and the Paris Agreement to provide funding and help developing countries deal with climate change.

The 16th G20 Leaders' Summit adopted the G20 Rome Leaders' Declaration. It recalled and reaffirmed the commitment made by developed countries to the goal of mobilizing jointly $100 billion per year by 2020 and annually through 2025 to address the needs of developing countries and stressed the importance of meeting that goal fully as soon as possible.

Funding is key to addressing climate change. It is developing countries' major concern that developed countries honor their funding commitment. At the Copenhagen and Cancun conferences, developed countries pledged to jointly mobilize $100 billion per year by 2020. The Paris Agreement stipulated that developed countries should continue to take the lead in mobilizing climate finance for developing countries.

However, for more than a decade, developed countries have never truly delivered on their commitment. According to a recent report released by a well-known international think tank, developed countries' annual funding fell short of the target.

There are also problems like overreporting with inflated numbers or makeweight. Some countries even try to list green investment of the private sector and conventional infrastructure projects unrelated to climate change as official climate finance. The effective amount they actually provided is much lower than the official data. In particular, the US only paid less than 20 percent of its due share while Australia and Canada paid less than half.

China sets store by efforts to address climate change. As the largest developing country, China has overcome its own economic and social difficulties to resolutely follow a path of green and low-carbon development, implement the national strategy of actively addressing climate change, scale up its climate actions, and strengthen goals of Nationally Determined Contributions.

We have been speeding up efforts to put in place a "1+N" policy framework for carbon peaking and carbon neutrality, making coordinated efforts to reduce pollution and carbon emissions and exploring new models of low-carbon development. In this process, China has made tangible contributions to global climate governance and the fight against climate change.

In the meantime, China has allocated about 1.1 billion yuan for South-South cooperation on climate change in recent years, donated energy conservation and new energy products and devices to almost 40 countries, helped relevant countries to launch meteorological satellites, and trained nearly 1,500 officials and technical personnel working in the climate response sector of 120 developing countries, and done our best to provide assistance and support for fellow developing countries under the framework of South-South cooperation on climate change.

In the face of climate change, a common challenge for mankind and an unprecedented difficulty in global climate governance, the international community should take on its responsibility and make concerted efforts to seek harmonious coexistence of man and Nature.

With COP26 underway, developed countries should demonstrate good faith in combating climate change, and take bolder actions to improve the quality of the annual climate finance of $100 billion that they pledged to provide for developing countries, and contribute their fair share to the fight against climate change and global climate governance.

MASTV:

US President Biden apologized at COP26 for the Trump administration's decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement, saying it has put the country behind. Biden also called for strong actions to deal with climate change and urged major economies to honor their commitment. Does the Chinese side have any comment?

Wang Wenbin:

As the largest emitter of greenhouse gases in cumulative terms, the US should face up to its historical responsibilities, maintain policy consistency, show greater ambition and actions, take the lead in fulfilling obligations of substantial emissions reduction, and provide financial, technological and capacity building support to help developing countries enhance their capacity to respond to climate challenges.

Rhetoric can not substitute for actions. We hope that the US can introduce its action plan and roadmap for cutting carbon emissions by half before 2030 and ensure that there will be no reversal or retrogression of its climate policies in the future."

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin's Regular Press Conference on November 3, 2021

Originally Posted by OhOh

US President Biden apologized at COP26 for the Trump administration's decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement, saying it has put the country behind. Biden also called for strong actions to deal with climate change and urged major economies to honor their commitment.

so true

Originally Posted by S Landreth

get a teaching job at a Business College

Raising 4 kids was my teaching experience.

3 out of 4 have been successful. The 4th has decided studying at University is what she adores, she is now on her 3rd degree course. I hope it's her final one.

But thank you for your comment, I'll put you down for a reference.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Fossil fuel firms sue governments for £13bn over climate action

They all must be shivering in their boots