Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by koman

while ignoring any other data which might produce an result that you get you fired for going against the herd and letting down the team.....

I think you are confusing "Climate scientist"with "FOX news talking head".

Yes, well, what's your explaination for the MWP then?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Yes, well, what's your explaination for the MWP then?

Climate scientists now understand that the Medieval Warm Period was caused by an increase in solar radiation and a decrease in volcanic activity, which both promote warming. Other evidence suggests ocean circulation patterns shifted to bring warmer seawater into the North Atlantic. As we’ll see in the next section, those kinds of natural changes have not been detected in the past few decades. Charles Jackson noted that when computer models take into account paleoclimatologists’ reconstructions of solar irradiance and volcanoes for the past 1,000 years, the models reproduce the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period. Those events turn out to not be random noise after all.

Medieval Warm Period not so random « Know

Bit late in the season for those sort of blizzards isn't it...

It was a bit late in the season for blizzards last year as well, and they were short...

This Globull Warming thing is getting out of hand!

14 STATES COLDER THAN MARS...

Indian Science Conference: 'Fears of man-made 'global warming' were greatly exaggerated'...

Record Snowfall Florida...

DRUDGE REPORT 2015®

Don't think it got over 20 degrees here in Chiang Mai yesterday.

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Same here in Suphan. Brrr...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

This Globull Warming thing is getting out of hand!

14 STATES COLDER THAN MARS...

Indian Science Conference: 'Fears of man-made 'global warming' were greatly exaggerated'...

Record Snowfall Florida...

DRUDGE REPORT 2015®

Wonderful. Weather reports from Drudge.

But hey,…….. it’s nice to see you giving Drudge the hits/links. I didn’t think you were into promoting gays Boon?

Good to see you’ve come around.

Now back to the real world,……….

The whole business of getting cold sometimes and then hot at other times can be very confusing, but also very motivating for Liberal environmentalists..... it's the kind of thing that needs serious investigation, with lots of studies, papers published, grants secured and ongoing job security. So many would be unemployed if it was not for changes in the weather....

By their very nature they have to find reasons to blame everything on capitalists, corporations and anybody else that believes that we just can't manage our world with windmills and solar panels. They can not and will not accept any suggestion that maybe it really is just the old world doing what it's always been doing. That would be much too simple and unlikely to generate more work and tenure.

When data is made available that might just throw their computer models into disarray, it's dismissed as a short term anomaly to be disregarded. On the other hand, if some kind of fresh data is seen to support their ever evolving theories, it is immediately hailed as conclusive proof, at least until somebody turns around and proves that it is not.....

When it's pointed out that certain parts of the world are experiencing extremely cold winters (several years in a row) and pack ice is forming at rates not seen in more than half a century .....well that's of course part of the "warming" trend silly

It's great being a Libbie environmentalist.....when you're right you're right and when you're wrong you are still right, and you still get paid.....

The doomsday projections need to be moved forward from time to time, much in the same way the date of oil supply exhaustion needs to be moved forward each time the world becomes awash with the stuff. It's all very Libby and quite entertaining......what would we do without them?...

Originally Posted by koman

It's all very Libby and quite entertaining......what would we do without them?...

Heh...well, for starters we could focus our resources/money on something other than such crap as these wasteful programs - wind farms, solar electricity and studying the mating habits of lesbian hookers.

Liberalism is a brain disorder...

EIGHTEEN YEARS, THREE MONTHS WITH NO GLOBAL WARMING

To the embarrassment of global warming alarmists everywhere, the Earth stubbornly refuses to get warmer. In 2009, Kevin Trenberth, one of the leading alarmist scientists, wrote in an email: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.” Since then, things have only gotten worse for the warmists. The Earth has now gone for 18 years and three months with no warming. Christopher Monckton charts the satellite data:



Monckton adds this explanation:

The least-squares linear-regression trend on the RSS satellite monthly global mean surface temperature anomaly dataset shows no global warming for 18 years 3 months since October 1996.

The satellite data are by far the most reliable we have, since 1979 when they begin. Surface temperature data are badly compromised in several respects: 70% of the Earth is ocean; most weather stations are in cities that are artificially warmed, a fact that the keepers of the data steadfastly refuse to acknowledge; and–see the prior point–surface data are in the hands of the alarmist cabal, who consistently “adjust” the data to make the past look cooler and the present warmer, often without acknowledging that they have done so until they are caught.

The fact that the Earth hasn’t warmed for more than 18 years proves that the models, which are the sole support for global warming hysteria, are wrong. We are now well outside of any possible temperatures that the models forecast. Recognizing this fact, the IPCC significantly reduced its estimates of future warming in its most recent report, but the problem persists. Reality doesn’t conform to the new, more modest calculations, either:



Models that are invalidated by observation are worthless. There is no point trying to excuse their failure or make modest tweaks to keep the erroneous theories on which they are based alive. As a matter of science, anthropogenic global warming alarmism is finished. It survives, like a dead frog whose legs are still kicking, by virtue of countless billions of dollars in government funding. The warmists will keep up the charade as long as the money holds out.

Eighteen Years, Three Months With No Global Warming | Power Line

Put that in yer Bong and hit it all you climateistas!

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So if they quit their non job as a 'climate scientist' thay could get a better paid job at an oil company ?
more likely they would be flipping burgers somewhere.

meanwhile:

Five things to remember about climate science in 2015
By Anthony Sadar, Washington Examiner

Posted with author’s permission.

As the New Year dawns, old challenges hang on.

One of the biggest challenges relates to the ambience of climate-change science.

So many folks are invested in an expectation of disastrous geophysical conditions resulting from modern lifestyles that are fueled by ancient energy sources. So, the big money (in the trillions of dollars) is on the continuation of supposed wacky weather, hustled as proof of long-term, global climate change.

But here are five reasons to remain unconvinced that humans are culpable for such acts of nature.

1. Actual data trumps forecasts. No matter how you measure it, the global average temperature trend has flattened out over the past decade and a half. Even so, the tiny fraction of a degree increase in temperature expected for 2014 over previous years will be hailed as being the highest on record. Despite this almost meaningless increase, there is a distinct possibility that temperatures will be once more dropping as solar activity and ocean circulations relentlessly work to redistribute heat across the globe.

2. Carbon dioxide makes up only 0.04% of the atmosphere. Compare this small percentage with water, which is the dominant climate regulator. Water, in the vapor phase at 0% through 4% of atmospheric concentration and in the liquid and solid phases, is apparently the biggest climate controller on the planet.

3. The purveyors of a long-term human-caused global climate change catastrophe constantly confuse weather with climate and cherry pick data to aggravate public angst over future meteorological mayhem. This permits, for example, huckster politicians to push what is often referred to as “the social cost of carbon.” This phrase should not be confused with any balanced assessment, such as a traditional Cost-Benefit Analysis, which would likely put some much-needed perspective back into any reasonable deliberation of climate concerns.

4. No matter how brilliant climate prognosticators are, nor how sophisticated their algorithms and super their computers, they are far from knowing with sufficient certainty the far future. This is one reason they deserve a skeptical eye, for the allegedly absolute certainty of the “settled science” as the linchpin of the case made to the public.

5. Finally, real human misery requires immediate attention, and access to low-cost fossil fuels goes a long way to alleviating suffering. At least a billion people don’t have access to modern energy, living instead off truly dirty fuel sources such as smoky wood and dried dung. A mere one percent increase in so-called carbon pollution would be enough to lift up a billion of the world’s poor. As cheap, clean, abundant energy powers people out of poverty, high-cost policies empower and enrich politicians and their enablers, who hope to profit from carbon hysteria. Thus, the incentive for meaningful changes is weak, unfortunately given the powerlessness of those who would benefit.

So this New Year, for the sake of the Earth and its inhabitants, when it comes to climate futures, we need to resolve to invest in less profit-driven science, and be more guarded and less gullible with the diviners of disaster. More than a billion people will thank us.

Anthony J. Sadar, a Certified Consulting Meteorologist, is author of In Global Warming We Trust: A Heretic’s Guide to Climate Science (Telescope Books, 2012).

Originally Posted by koman

The whole business of getting cold sometimes and then hot at other times can be very confusing

Only if you're a right wing retard that doesn't understand the difference between weather and climate

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The Earth has now gone for 18 years and three months with no warming. Christopher Monckton charts the satellite data:

a.k.a. Lord Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
shyster, snake oil salesman and often discredited member of UKIP

https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/lord...ons-rap-sheet/

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by koman

The whole business of getting cold sometimes and then hot at other times can be very confusing

Only if you're a right wing retard that doesn't understand the difference between weather and climate

Always so quick to call others retards when you are one of the biggest retards on TD......The weather vs climate thing has been discussed to death, I KNOW the difference idiot.

Originally Posted by koman

The weather vs climate thing has been discussed to death, I KNOW the difference idiot.

Really..?

What banana???

We are lucky, we are living in an interglacial period , ice ages last a very long time the last only ending recently.

'' The current Holocene interglacial has persisted since the end of the Pleistocene, about 11,700 years ago.''

As we move away from an ice age the Earth inevitably warms up .

There will be some variations, even decades of cooling and sometime even more rapid warming - due to the sun.
Yes the pretty graphs will ultimately show - a very slow upwards trend in the temp over the long run .
Mans co2 probably has very little to do with it .

The Earths temp over the last 18 years is as good as flat, which is at odds with the much higher co2 levels and predicted warning .

Other clues that the MMGW is fake is that it come from the exact same people pushing for mass immigration/ globalisation and homo rights ,
The fact they have had great sucess in totally brainwashing much of population with thier agenda, does not make them right.

Remember I say this with a heavy heart- living in the far north I would welome a warmer world.
I would love a big ice melt too , all that clean water would do the world good , a changing coast is dynamic and interesting too.

A much bigger problem is real pollution and a human population explosion; better put resurces into tackling that than pissing about with co2.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

And Boon how come these graphs that you and Blue post don’t have a direct link that will open to the graphs you post here from the Remss website?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Could this be a reason? From the Remss site

ok I will have a look there,
not that i have a solid understanding of graphical data, same as most other people don't ..
but the black lines, ie the observed data, look pretty flat to me

Climate Analysis | Remote Sensing Systems

The thick black line is the observed time series from RSS V3.3 MSU/AMSU Temperatures. The yellow band is the 5% to 95% range of output from CMIP-5 climate simulations.





Climate Analysis | Remote Sensing Systems

finally a graph about STRATOSPHERIC TEMPERATURE

The temperature of the lower stratosphere has been monitored since late 1978 by the MSU and AMSU instruments. The RSS merged lower stratospheric temperature data product is called TLS, or temperature lower stratosphere. Unlike the troposphere, which warmed slowly over this period, the lower stratosphere has been cooling due to both decreases in stratospheric ozone caused by CFC’s, and increases in well-mixed greenhouse gases causes by human activity. This slow cooling trend is punctuated occasionally by temporary increases in stratospheric aerosols caused by major volcanic eruptions. In the plot below, we show the global mean temperature anomaly from the RSS TLS data, and the 5% to 95% envelope from the CMIP-5 historical simulations.

The basic features of the changes in stratospheric temperature are captured by the models, though some models appear to show too much response to volcanic eruptions and also appear to show too little overall cooling.
The basic features of the changes in stratospheric temperature are captured by the models, though some models appear to show too much response to volcanic eruptions and also appear to show too little overall cooling.

Blue, I just got in from a bike ride. You still have some time. You might want to remove your last post.

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by S Landreth

And Boon how come these graphs that you and Blue post don’t have a direct link that will open to the graphs you post here from the Remss website?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Could this be a reason? From the Remss site

ok I will have a look there,
not that i have a solid understanding of graphical data, same as most other people don't ..
but the black lines, ie the observed data, look pretty flat to me

Climate Analysis | Remote Sensing Systems

The thick black line is the observed time series from RSS V3.3 MSU/AMSU Temperatures. The yellow band is the 5% to 95% range of output from CMIP-5 climate simulations.





Climate Analysis | Remote Sensing Systems

finally a graph about STRATOSPHERIC TEMPERATURE

The temperature of the lower stratosphere has been monitored since late 1978 by the MSU and AMSU instruments. The RSS merged lower stratospheric temperature data product is called TLS, or temperature lower stratosphere. Unlike the troposphere, which warmed slowly over this period, the lower stratosphere has been cooling due to both decreases in stratospheric ozone caused by CFC’s, and increases in well-mixed greenhouse gases causes by human activity. This slow cooling trend is punctuated occasionally by temporary increases in stratospheric aerosols caused by major volcanic eruptions. In the plot below, we show the global mean temperature anomaly from the RSS TLS data, and the 5% to 95% envelope from the CMIP-5 historical simulations.

The basic features of the changes in stratospheric temperature are captured by the models, though some models appear to show too much response to volcanic eruptions and also appear to show too little overall cooling.
The basic features of the changes in stratospheric temperature are captured by the models, though some models appear to show too much response to volcanic eruptions and also appear to show too little overall cooling.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Blue, I just got in from a bike ride. You still have some time. You might want to remove your last post.

You are far too nice to the moron.

He would gleefully condemn gays, blacks, immigrants 'just because' and everybody else can drown, starve or asphyxiate because he, the almighty and righteous blue, thinks that climate change *might* make his life in fucking Scarborough or wherever a bit less chilly, the selfish c*nt.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Blue, I just got in from a bike ride. You still have some time. You might want to remove your last post.

I hope that's a push bike, I would not want you to have a massive carbon footprint on your conscience..
how many air miles you racked up recently.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

You are far too nice to the moron. He would gleefully condemn gays, blacks, immigrants 'just because' and everybody else can drown, starve or asphyxiate because he, the almighty and righteous blue, thinks that climate change *might* make his life in fucking Scarborough or wherever a bit less chilly, the selfish c*nt.

Right there !
I must be proper see through !!
Hey you think some resident on a pacific Island gives a monkies about me ?
you think they are sat on the beach worrying that I might not be able to open my front door, cos my hands are too cold to work the key ?

If they get flooded big deal , they will have to move - just like I had to move back to Yorkshire when 2nd and 3rd world immigrants + homos flooded into London .

If All the ice on earth melts it will be a good thing , I hate the stuff.
We should put giant mirrors in space focusing the sun on the ice caps .

Same with the temperature the Earth plus 5 degrees would be excellent.
My only concern is more immigrant scum heading North ...