Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Do you have anything to support this part of your statement?

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It wasn't my statement actually. It was someone elses. Have you got a list of each of the 33,700 authors, their funding and backgrounds?

Of this 97 % are you claiming they are saying carbon dioxide or just any man made effect like soot

Fact

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it

• The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
• This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online



ok now the 97 %

even if you believe the figure - they could be saying its real pollution and not
CO2 emmisions .

Anyway the data to get the 97 % looks decidedly cooked

eg The survey by Australian global-warming activist John Cook, released recently with a massive media sendoff, is rapidly melting, as scientists and statisticians subject it to analysis. And now it's leaking out that Cook’s e-mails show he was scheming on this fraudulent survey to promote a leftist political agenda for well over a year.
Cooking Climate Consensus Data: ?97% of Scientists Affirm AGW" Debunked


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Friends of Science Challenge the Cook Study for Bandwagon Fear Mongering on Climate Change and Global Warming

Detailed analysis shows that only 0.5% (65 of the 12,000 abstracts rated) suggest that humans are responsible for more than 50% of the global warming up to 2001, contrary to the alleged 97% consensus amongst scientists in the Cook et al study. Citing fear mongering and faulty methodology Friends of Science reject the study and President Obama’s tweet as careless incitement of a misinformed and frightened public, when in fact the sun is the main driver of climate change; not human activity or carbon dioxide (CO2).


Friends of Science Challenge the Cook Study for Bandwagon Fear Mongering on Climate Change and Global Warming



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Tol statistically deconstructs the 97% Consensus

Tol statistically deconstructs the 97% Consensus | Watts Up With That?

Originally Posted by blue

Of this 97 % are you claiming they are saying carbon dioxide or just any man made effect like soot

Fact

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it

• The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
• This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996

[COLOR=LemonChiffon]Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online

you and Boon posting shit after shit after shit on this thread. over and over and over, Shit

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Most people have moved past this shit information you continually post.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The latest temperature data shows that the planet has not warmed in the past 15 years and is likely heading to a mini ice age.

your link: Daily Mail? Again?

Got any new credible evidence to support your outdated flat earth position? Because repeating the same shit information time and time again doesn't make it true.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, it were a government study just reported by the Daily Mail.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

Originally Posted by hazz

O dear it's the daily mail, so it must be true

NO It was released by the MET OFFICE and simply reported by the Mail and several other national newspapers.

When you get your news from unreliable sources you’ll get unreliable information. Because repeating the same shit time and time again, doesn't make it true.

Case in point (two unreliable sources, FOX News and the British Tabloid Daily Mail: Fox Falls For Tabloid "Science" )

Fox News is promoting a report from a British tabloid to claim that new data shows "Global Warming [Is] Over." But the agency that released the data explained that the tabloid report is "misleading" because it is based on a short-term period that obscures the long-term upward trend in global temperatures.

heh =- SL, post up the Man walking a dog graphic thing. That is a good laugh as well. Whilst you're at it, would you mind explaining how half a degree increase in temperature over 40 years is anything other than the world coming out of a mini ice age. Would also be interested to "learn" why it was not the 2-5 degrees increase that was predicted?

Thanks

I just read a book about the earliest humans, and the "climate change" that occurred about 30,000 years ago was believed to be one of the primary reasons homo sapiens sapiens survived and homo sapiens neanderthals perished.

So apparently "climate change" has been around long before "progressives" discovered it.

RickThai

Originally Posted by blue

Friends of Science Challenge the Cook Study for Bandwagon Fear Mongering on Climate Change and Global Warming

Detailed analysis shows that only 0.5% (65 of the 12,000 abstracts rated) suggest that humans are responsible for more than 50% of the global warming up to 2001, contrary to the alleged 97% consensus amongst scientists in the Cook et al study. Citing fear mongering and faulty methodology Friends of Science reject the study and President Obama’s tweet as careless incitement of a misinformed and frightened public, when in fact the sun is the main driver of climate change; not human activity or carbon dioxide (CO2).


Friends of Science Challenge the Cook Study for Bandwagon Fear Mongering on Climate Change and Global Warming



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Tol statistically deconstructs the 97% Consensus

Tol statistically deconstructs the 97% Consensus | Watts Up With That?

Ah, now you've stepped in it.

"Friends of Science" is a well known front group for the oil industry and electrical companies with a long history of engaging in climate science disinformation.

In the course of an internal review and audit begun in March of 2007, the University determined that some of the research funds accepted on behalf of the Friends of Science “had been used to support a partisan viewpoint on climate change”, and unspent grant money was returned on September 10, 2007, according to a Calgary Foundation statement. As a consequence, the University advised FoS “that it would no longer accept funds on the organization’s behalf”, according to an email from University legal counsel Elizabeth Osler sent on December 24, 2007. On February 17, 2008, CanWest News Service reported that U of C officials had shut down Cooper’s “‘Research on Climate Change’ trust account".

Friends of Science: They’re back! | Deep Climate

Friends of Science - SourceWatch

Daily Kos: Exposing "Friends of Science" as Big Oil mouthpiece, Part 2

Originally Posted by RickThai

I just read a book about the earliest humans, and the "climate change" that occurred about 30,000 years ago was believed to be one of the primary reasons homo sapiens sapiens survived and homo sapiens neanderthals perished.

So apparently "climate change" has been around long before "progressives" discovered it.

RickThai

What book did you read? 'Quest for Fire' or some other fiction? You see, 30,000 years ago the earth was cooling down, and glaciers extented all over the place. Note the correlation with the CO2 levels, and that the difference in the CO2 level in % we produced ourselves so far is as great as during the ice age, and that the temperatures fluctuated by a full 10 centigrades.



Anyway, do you mind to stick to some Buddha wisdoms?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

I just read a book about the earliest humans, and the "climate change" that occurred about 30,000 years ago was believed to be one of the primary reasons homo sapiens sapiens survived and homo sapiens neanderthals perished.

So apparently "climate change" has been around long before "progressives" discovered it.

RickThai

What book did you read?

Reckon he was probably reading the Bible...

Men and Dinosaurs Coexisted

The Bible states that “every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind” was created by God on Day Six of the creation week (Genesis 1:25)—including dinosaurs. On this same day, the first man and woman were also created (Genesis 1:26-27). Over 1,600 years later, Genesis 8:15 records that a pair of each land-dwelling animal “wherein is the breath of life”—again including dinosaurs—were taken aboard an ark that would have held over 101,000 square feet of floor space. This ensured that a remnant would be preserved through the worldwide watery destruction that fossilized many pre-Flood dinosaurs.

Originally Posted by RickThai

I just read a book about the earliest humans, and the "climate change" that occurred about 30,000 years ago was believed to be one of the primary reasons homo sapiens sapiens survived and homo sapiens perished.

So apparently "" has been around long before "progressives" discovered it.

RickThai

sounds like an interesting book but ,
Neanderthals did not really perish, they interbred with the Europeans to produce the wonderful Aryan master race .

Climate change wasn't really discovered by the hateful politically correct scaremongers , rather they were forced to steal it , as thier earlier name , ''Global Warming '' started to attract howls of laughter from the real scientists , when the earth stopped warming 16 years ago .

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by RickThai

I just read a book about the earliest humans, and the "climate change" that occurred about 30,000 years ago was believed to be one of the primary reasons homo sapiens sapiens survived and homo sapiens perished.

So apparently "" has been around long before "progressives" discovered it.

RickThai

sounds like an interesting book but ,
Neanderthals did not really perish, they interbred with the Europeans to produce the wonderful Aryan master race .

Sorry you aren't a part of it. Short, stocky, dark, dim-witted instead, I take it?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

For the U.K.

The coldest spring in 50 years.

We're sure there's a reasonable, logical, reason for this based on unimpeached scientific evidence.

Ah, Boontard has fallen for the age-old trick of cherry picking the data.

What relevance does one cold spring in one location have on global warming?

None.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

I just read a book about the earliest humans, and the "climate change" that occurred about 30,000 years ago was believed to be one of the primary reasons homo sapiens sapiens survived and homo sapiens neanderthals perished.

So apparently "climate change" has been around long before "progressives" discovered it.

RickThai

What book did you read?

Reckon he was probably reading the Bible...

Men and Dinosaurs Coexisted

The Bible states that “every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind” was created by God on Day Six of the creation week (Genesis 1:25)—including dinosaurs. On this same day, the first man and woman were also created (Genesis 1:26-27). Over 1,600 years later, Genesis 8:15 records that a pair of each land-dwelling animal “wherein is the breath of life”—again including dinosaurs—were taken aboard an ark that would have held over 101,000 square feet of floor space. This ensured that a remnant would be preserved through the worldwide watery destruction that fossilized many pre-Flood dinosaurs.

WTF?

do the mods actually open their eyes ever?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

I just read a book about the earliest humans, and the "climate change" that occurred about 30,000 years ago was believed to be one of the primary reasons homo sapiens sapiens survived and homo sapiens neanderthals perished.

So apparently "climate change" has been around long before "progressives" discovered it.

RickThai

What book did you read? 'Quest for Fire' or some other fiction? You see, 30,000 years ago the earth was cooling down, and glaciers extented all over the place. Note the correlation with the CO2 levels, and that the difference in the CO2 level in % we produced ourselves so far is as great as during the ice age, and that the temperatures fluctuated by a full 10 centigrades.



Anyway, do you mind to stick to some Buddha wisdoms?

Wow! I didn't realize "progressive" scientists started keeping data on temperatures that long ago.

Actually the book I read stated that the first homo sapiens sapiens migrated from Africa around 60,000 years ago. At that time, anthropologists theorized that the entire population of homo sapiens sapiens was between 2500 and 5000 individuals.

Many anthropologists believed that no more than 150 individuals or so crossed the Red Sea and went on to populate Europe and eventually the rest of the world.

There was another homo sapiens sapiens relative (I forget the scientific name) that apparently evolved in Asia, but eventually they lost out to homo sapiens sapiens as well.

Actually, I was just thinking about "Quest for Fire" the other day. That was a pretty neat movie for its time.

As far as Buddhist doctrine, it is generally thought that one's actions in this life will determine one's fate when reborn into the next life.

You might wind up as an animal, a spirit (trapped in one of several hells), or another human being (either better than before or worse). I suppose it is possible that all the Neanderthals were reborn as liberals

Santi,

RickThai

Originally Posted by RickThai

As far as Buddhist doctrine, it is generally thought that one's actions in this life will determine one's fate when reborn into the next life. You might wind up as an animal, a spirit (trapped in one of several hells), or another human being (either better than before or worse). I suppose it is possible that all the Neanderthals were reborn as liberals

Don't see any metta in that statement. What kind of karmic return do you think you generate with it?

Originally Posted by RickThai

Wow! I didn't realize "progressive" scientists started keeping data on temperatures that long ago.

Read all the data originally presented. It noted the long established method for determining atmosphere in different ages. It's only a sentence, I think. It will be a nice discovery for someone of your obvious educational level.

Originally Posted by RickThai

Many anthropologists believed that no more than 150 individuals or so crossed the Red Sea and went on to populate Europe and eventually the rest of the world.

Any links? Did a lot of research on Neantertals years ago and got hooked on all this early man stuff.
By the way, I think the jury is still out on Neandertal and Homo Sapien interbreeding. Theories both ways rise and fall about every year. Boys and girls being what they are, I'm sure they tried. But I don't think science has established any evidence a viable offspring being produced.

This One Picture Shows How We’re Causing Climate Change

full-resolution pdf http://www.ecofys.com/files/files/as...chart-2010.pdf

We know that the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide is hitting levels unprecedented in human history, and we know that we’re behind it. We know that the choices we make every day, and the choices of nations, affect the emissions of greenhouse gases.

But despite knowing all this, it’s still sort of tricky to understand where all these heat-trapping molecules are really coming from. Put together by the renewable energy consultancy firm Ecofys, this infographic tries to break those systems down.

The chart is kind of messy to read, but here’s how it works:

The total greenhouse gas emission rate for 2010, the year represented by the chart, is 48,629 million tones of carbon dioxide equivalent. (Methane traps more heat than carbon dioxide, so less methane is worth more in terms of driving global warming than the same amount of carbon dioxide. Hence the use of carbon dioxide equivalents.) The left side shows the main sources of those greenhouse gases: coal, natural gas, etc. Following the lines from left to right shows how we use each source: for industrial uses, for construction, for agriculture, and which greenhouse gases these industries put out.

We can see what changes to oil prices or availability would predominantly affect the transportation industry, while landlords and building managers care more about coal and natural gas. It’s not a great look at how your individual habits affect climate change, but ultimately, every one of us is contributing to the system mapped out here.

More from Smithsonian.com:

A Friendly Reminder From Pretty Much Every Climate Scientist in the World: Climate Change Is Real

Over hundreds of millennia, Arctic permafrost soils have accumulated vast stores of organic carbon — an estimated 1,400 to 1,850 petagrams of it (a petagram is 2.2 trillion pounds, or 1 billion metric tons). That’s about half of all the estimated organic carbon stored in Earth’s soils. In comparison, about 350 petagrams of carbon have been emitted from all fossil-fuel combustion and human activities since 1850. Most of this carbon is located in thaw-vulnerable topsoils within 10 feet (3 meters) of the surface.

But, as scientists are learning, permafrost — and its stored carbon — may not be as permanent as its name implies. And that has them concerned.

“Permafrost soils are warming even faster than Arctic air temperatures — as much as 2.7 to 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit (1.5 to 2.5 degrees Celsius) in just the past 30 years,” Miller said. “As heat from Earth’s surface penetrates into permafrost, it threatens to mobilize these organic carbon reservoirs and release them into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide and methane, upsetting the Arctic’s carbon balance and greatly exacerbating global warming.”

Methane, Permafrost, and CARVE Mission Update

Early Results

The CARVE science team is busy analyzing data from its first full year of science flights. What they're finding, Miller said, is both amazing and potentially troubling.

"Some of the methane and carbon dioxide concentrations we've measured have been large, and we're seeing very different patterns from what models suggest," Miller said. "We saw large, regional-scale episodic bursts of higher-than-normal carbon dioxide and methane in interior Alaska and across the North Slope during the spring thaw, and they lasted until after the fall refreeze. To cite another example, in July 2012 we saw methane levels over swamps in the Innoko Wilderness that were 650 parts per billion higher than normal background levels. That's similar to what you might find in a large city."

Ultimately, the scientists hope their observations will indicate whether an irreversible permafrost tipping point may be near at hand. While scientists don't yet believe the Arctic has reached that tipping point, no one knows for sure. "We hope CARVE may be able to find that 'smoking gun,' if one exists," Miller said.

Is a sleeping climate giant stirring in the Arctic?

Missions - CARVE - NASA Science

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by GR3

I got sick of those pesky
Polluting motorbikes carving through the traffic. They should be forced to wait
With their engines running like everyone else.

Driving a deranged rover, the very worst king of cager.
And to think I gave you green a while back.

It's called sarcasm, my car is a YZF750

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Central Europe experiences the worst flood in history at present. Here a picture of Passau at the Danube in Southern Germany.



The water level is at it's highest ever. The previous record was in the year 1501. So the next image can't be taken at the moment, it's under water.



Bavaria and Saxony will loose over 50% of this year's harvest in agriculture. The wave of the Danube is going to flood large parts of 12 more countries on the way to the Black Sea, and the Elbe river large areas in Germany. Quite a success story of Global Warming.

Oh come on catch up, do you not realise that as we all sit here shivering through yet another freezing European summer with rain instead of the much hyped global desert and runaway rising temratures that the man made global warmists have discretly changed the name from global warming to climate change so they can hedge their bets and claim victory should the weather not stay exactly the same?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Over hundreds of millennia, Arctic permafrost soils have accumulated vast stores of organic carbon

clever mother nature , providing us with more plant food , just when we need it !

Originally Posted by S Landreth

scientists are learning, permafrost — and its stored carbon — may not be as permanent as its name implies. And that has them concerned.

Nancy boy puffs , they worry about anything

Originally Posted by S Landreth

and release them into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide and methane, upsetting the Arctic’s carbon balance and greatly exacerbating global warming.”

Bring it on !
But what warming ? the Earths cooled for last 16 years

Originally Posted by S Landreth

While scientists don't yet believe the Arctic has reached that tipping point, no one knows for sure.

No one knows for sure , but lets pretend it's fact and decided science ....

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Climate change: how a warming world is a threat to our food supplies

Global warming is exacerbating political instability as tensions brought on by food insecurity rise. With research suggesting the issue can only get worse we examine the risks around the world.


Climate change: how a warming world is a threat to our food supplies | Environment | The Observer

The greatest threat to our food supplies is an ever increasing consumerist population, if we consume twice as much the planet needs half the population. Instead we have increasing population and increasing consumerism, a double edged sword. But you cant tax birth control so lets bang on about global warming.... cough I mean climate change!

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by RickThai

I just read a book about the earliest humans, and the "climate change" that occurred about 30,000 years ago was believed to be one of the primary reasons homo sapiens sapiens survived and homo sapiens neanderthals perished.

So apparently "climate change" has been around long before "progressives" discovered it.

RickThai

What book did you read? 'Quest for Fire' or some other fiction? You see, 30,000 years ago the earth was cooling down, and glaciers extented all over the place. Note the correlation with the CO2 levels, and that the difference in the CO2 level in % we produced ourselves so far is as great as during the ice age, and that the temperatures fluctuated by a full 10 centigrades.



Anyway, do you mind to stick to some Buddha wisdoms?

Correlation does not equate to causation, dimwit; and selective presentation of data does not cut it in real academia - there are far more factors at play - most are not to do with the atmosphere, even if they do end up influencing it in some localised sites.

Population and the cultures of expanding populations have a lot more to do with any human impact.
As with "house prices" you can present a trend for an entity, like a country, or a continent, or a planet, but it tells you nothing of use about what's happening, where, how, and why... it's local events trends that enable you to generate meaningful policy.

If anything is affecting ecologies on Earth, it's lack of rule of law, and the best antidote for that, is a jolly good World War.

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by S Landreth

While scientists don't yet believe the Arctic has reached that tipping point, no one knows for sure.

No one knows for sure , but lets pretend it's fact and decided science ....

Are you deliberately misunderstanding? Warming is a proven fact. Unclearis if the Arctic has reached a tipping point, meaning the process is irreversible even if the reason is removed.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Are you deliberately misunderstanding? Warming is a proven fact. Unclearis if the Arctic has reached a tipping point, meaning the process is irreversible even if the reason is removed.

Wow you sound just like Gore. Well done. Did you practise saying that, or is it a direct cut and paste?

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=th...w=1366&bih=667

Oh, 46,000 google entries and rising.

Anyway, what a load of guff. Rainfalls graph alone shows you that the temps have not risen as far as they have done historically, so therefore we might endue another half a degree over the next 50 years and then we will drop into cooling again.

Have another look



some might say that the temps have plateaued, but that start long before man made emissions.

However, you keep on with your propaganda, stripping billions from people and handing to governments and the bankers.