Thread: The Libyan Crisis

Who even knows who these "rebels" are, and what they are about. They could be takfiris, Al Qeida types, or anything for all we know. This is an unprecedented attack, where a small group of bandits and criminals can get the West to bomb a country and dispose of its leader. This is all about regime change, because they sure the hell aren't protecting any civilians by bombing them. I can't recalll a news story making my blood boil like this one. They just showed a bunch of burned out tanks, SUV's, and other vehicles after they were bombed by the French on CNN, there bodies too, burned beyond recognition. The crusader armies of the West not only kill Muslims, they protect and arm the most militant of Muslims, that in return subjugate and kill their fellow Muslims, like the Taliban, Saudis, Algerian salafist, Chechen "rebels" etc.

its like Serbia , when NATO attacked the Serbians demandinmg they give the province of Kosovo to the ethnic Albanians.
The Kosovo Liberation Army , said nato was thier air force,
when it was over the Albanians de facto ethnically cleansed the Serbs from Kosovo.

These things always end badly
better to not get involved

Originally Posted by Muadib

whereas the coalition interpretation was to knock out air defense capabilities

Looks to me more like a road than either a AA or radar site.



This one is an APC, not an AA or radar site.



This one is a tank, a couple of dead "civilians" and some "terrorists" feeling a little sorry.




Ah this is an AA / Radar site, no silly me it's a Tank.

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Who even knows who these "rebels" are, and what they are about. They could be takfiris, Al Qeida types, or anything for all we know. This is an unprecedented attack, where a small group of bandits and criminals can get the West to bomb a country and dispose of its leader. This is all about regime change, because they sure the hell aren't protecting any civilians by bombing them. I can't recalll a news story making my blood boil like this one. They just showed a bunch of burned out tanks, SUV's, and other vehicles after they were bombed by the French on CNN, there bodies too, burned beyond recognition. The crusader armies of the West not only kill Muslims, they protect and arm the most militant of Muslims, that in return subjugate and kill their fellow Muslims, like the Taliban, Saudis, Algerian salafist, Chechen "rebels" etc.

Gaddafi is a lunatic criminal with serious mental problems and he is in control of 6 million people and lots of light sweet crude.

There is no logical reason not to help this revolution and knock Gaddafi off.

Aside from your antisemitic reasons, why wouldn't you knock him off ?

Originally Posted by Muadib

The Arab League "thought" the resolution was to simply prevent the Libyan Air Force from launching attacks on rebels,

Same as the Iraqi resolution, the French and the Russians "thought" a second resolution was required for military action.

Maybe they need some TEFL bods to teach them English, having said that the UNSC resolutions appears to be available in many languages. Lost in translation no doubt.

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Who even knows who these "rebels" are, and what they are about. They could be takfiris, Al Qeida types, or anything for all we know. This is an unprecedented attack, where a small group of bandits and criminals can get the West to bomb a country and dispose of its leader. This is all about regime change, because they sure the hell aren't protecting any civilians by bombing them. I can't recalll a news story making my blood boil like this one. They just showed a bunch of burned out tanks, SUV's, and other vehicles after they were bombed by the French on CNN, there bodies too, burned beyond recognition. The crusader armies of the West not only kill Muslims, they protect and arm the most militant of Muslims, that in return subjugate and kill their fellow Muslims, like the Taliban, Saudis, Algerian salafist, Chechen "rebels" etc.

Gaddafi is a lunatic criminal with serious mental problems and he is in control of 6 million people and lots of light sweet crude.

There is no logical reason not to help this revolution and knock Gaddafi off.

Aside from your antisemitic reasons, why wouldn't you knock him off ?

Funny, he wasn't a lunatic six months ago when he was considered "reformed" and in the process of changing the image of Libya. He wasn't a lunatic when various European politicians (Tony Blair, Nicholas Sarkozy, and Silvio Berlusconi to name a few) were visiting him, and inking deals for big money. He wasn't a lunatic when he was allowing European citizens to work there and make more money then they could in their own countries. He surely wasn't an idiot when he was flooding Europe with cheap gas and oil. He was stabbed in the back by his so called Western friends. What he does on Libya soil is his business too, the West is setting a helluva precedent here by getting involved in regime change because a percentage of the population doesn't like the leader. Anti semite my ass, everyone with half a brain knows the Jews and Israel wants a Middle East and Islamic world that's friendly to them.

The problem is the "West," or should I say white people, who seem to can't keep their big snoots out of the business of brown and black people. They want to tell the world how to live through their selective morality, human rights, feminist, gay rightist, NGO's, etc.

Originally Posted by Muadib

The question is the interpretation of the term "no fly zone"... It is obvious that the US is in tactically in control of the operation... When you leave something up to the US military, they are going to attack... The Arab League "thought" the resolution was to simply prevent the Libyan Air Force from launching attacks on rebels, whereas the coalition interpretation was to knock out air defense capabilities so they can carry out air operations without threat...

It was discussed in detail on many international news programmes prior to the UN resolution. 'The no fly zone' would require the disablement of Gaddafi's radar,and air defence systems.

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Who even knows who these "rebels" are, and what they are about. They could be takfiris, Al Qeida types, or anything for all we know. This is an unprecedented attack, where a small group of bandits and criminals can get the West to bomb a country and dispose of its leader. This is all about regime change, because they sure the hell aren't protecting any civilians by bombing them. I can't recalll a news story making my blood boil like this one. They just showed a bunch of burned out tanks, SUV's, and other vehicles after they were bombed by the French on CNN, there bodies too, burned beyond recognition. The crusader armies of the West not only kill Muslims, they protect and arm the most militant of Muslims, that in return subjugate and kill their fellow Muslims, like the Taliban, Saudis, Algerian salafist, Chechen "rebels" etc.

Gaddafi is a lunatic criminal with serious mental problems and he is in control of 6 million people and lots of light sweet crude.

There is no logical reason not to help this revolution and knock Gaddafi off.

Aside from your antisemitic reasons, why wouldn't you knock him off ?

Funny, he wasn't a lunatic six months ago when he was considered "reformed" and in the process of changing the image of Libya. He wasn't a lunatic when various European politicians (Tony Blair, Nicholas Sarkozy, and Silvio Berlusconi to name a few) were visiting him, and inking deals for big money. He wasn't a lunatic when he was allowing European citizens to work there and make more money then they could in their own countries. He surely wasn't an idiot when he was flooding Europe with cheap gas and oil. He was stabbed in the back by his so called Western friends. What he does on Libya soil is his business too, the West is setting a helluva precedent here by getting involved in regime change because a percentage of the population doesn't like the leader. Anti semite my ass, everyone with half a brain knows the Jews and Israel wants a Middle East and Islamic world that's friendly to them.

The problem is the "West," or should I say white people, who seem to can't keep their big snoots out of the business of brown and black people. They want to tell the world how to live through their selective morality, human rights, feminist, gay rightist, NGO's, etc.

No, he has always been a lunatic. Just because he was better to be allied with strategically for a period of time doesn't mean the world liked him. Stalin was insane but the whole western world cut deals with him all through ww2. He was never flooding the world with cheap oil either.

They want to tell the world how to live through their selective morality, human rights, feminist, gay rightist, NGO's, etc.

Its not that simple. I wished they stayed out of it though,so all the peace mongers and isolationists of the world could watch on TV, Gaddafi level crowds of people with fighter jets and hellifire missiles.

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Who even knows who these "rebels" are, and what they are about. They could be takfiris, Al Qeida types, or anything for all we know. This is an unprecedented attack, where a small group of bandits and criminals can get the West to bomb a country and dispose of its leader. This is all about regime change, because they sure the hell aren't protecting any civilians by bombing them. I can't recalll a news story making my blood boil like this one. They just showed a bunch of burned out tanks, SUV's, and other vehicles after they were bombed by the French on CNN, there bodies too, burned beyond recognition. The crusader armies of the West not only kill Muslims, they protect and arm the most militant of Muslims, that in return subjugate and kill their fellow Muslims, like the Taliban, Saudis, Algerian salafist, Chechen "rebels" etc.

Gaddafi is a lunatic criminal with serious mental problems and he is in control of 6 million people and lots of light sweet crude.

There is no logical reason not to help this revolution and knock Gaddafi off.

Aside from your antisemitic reasons, why wouldn't you knock him off ?

Funny, he wasn't a lunatic six months ago when he was considered "reformed" and in the process of changing the image of Libya. He wasn't a lunatic when various European politicians (Tony Blair, Nicholas Sarkozy, and Silvio Berlusconi to name a few) were visiting him, and inking deals for big money. He wasn't a lunatic when he was allowing European citizens to work there and make more money then they could in their own countries. He surely wasn't an idiot when he was flooding Europe with cheap gas and oil. He was stabbed in the back by his so called Western friends. What he does on Libya soil is his business too, the West is setting a helluva precedent here by getting involved in regime change because a percentage of the population doesn't like the leader. Anti semite my ass, everyone with half a brain knows the Jews and Israel wants a Middle East and Islamic world that's friendly to them.

The problem is the "West," or should I say white people, who seem to can't keep their big snoots out of the business of brown and black people. They want to tell the world how to live through their selective morality, human rights, feminist, gay rightist, NGO's, etc.

No, he has always been a lunatic. Just because he was better to be allied with strategically for a period of time doesn't mean the world liked him. Stalin was insane but the whole western world cut deals with him all through ww2. He was never flooding the world with cheap oil either.

They want to tell the world how to live through their selective morality, human rights, feminist, gay rightist, NGO's, etc.

Its not that simple. I wished they stayed out of it though,so all the peace mongers and isolationists of the world could watch on TV, Gaddafi level crowds of people with fighter jets and hellifire missiles.

Who gives a fuck if the guy is a lunatic and likes to dress in weird clothing? It didn't matter to the leaders of various European nations who went to Libya and visited him. They were more then willing to take his money and oil. The West has no right to meddle in the internal affairs of Libya. So you want to invade people because the leader of a country is a lunatic. I bet you don't want to invade Israel when they call for the killing of Arabs, or when Sarkozy acts like a lunatic and wears elevator shoes because he is a dwarf. Don't act like a Cuntnadian that has been hit in the head with too many hockey pucks, this isn't about Gadhafi being a lunatic.

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Who even knows who these "rebels" are, and what they are about. They could be takfiris, Al Qeida types, or anything for all we know. This is an unprecedented attack, where a small group of bandits and criminals can get the West to bomb a country and dispose of its leader. This is all about regime change, because they sure the hell aren't protecting any civilians by bombing them. I can't recalll a news story making my blood boil like this one. They just showed a bunch of burned out tanks, SUV's, and other vehicles after they were bombed by the French on CNN, there bodies too, burned beyond recognition. The crusader armies of the West not only kill Muslims, they protect and arm the most militant of Muslims, that in return subjugate and kill their fellow Muslims, like the Taliban, Saudis, Algerian salafist, Chechen "rebels" etc.

Gaddafi is a lunatic criminal with serious mental problems and he is in control of 6 million people and lots of light sweet crude.

There is no logical reason not to help this revolution and knock Gaddafi off.

Aside from your antisemitic reasons, why wouldn't you knock him off ?

Funny, he wasn't a lunatic six months ago when he was considered "reformed" and in the process of changing the image of Libya. He wasn't a lunatic when various European politicians (Tony Blair, Nicholas Sarkozy, and Silvio Berlusconi to name a few) were visiting him, and inking deals for big money. He wasn't a lunatic when he was allowing European citizens to work there and make more money then they could in their own countries. He surely wasn't an idiot when he was flooding Europe with cheap gas and oil. He was stabbed in the back by his so called Western friends. What he does on Libya soil is his business too, the West is setting a helluva precedent here by getting involved in regime change because a percentage of the population doesn't like the leader. Anti semite my ass, everyone with half a brain knows the Jews and Israel wants a Middle East and Islamic world that's friendly to them.

The problem is the "West," or should I say white people, who seem to can't keep their big snoots out of the business of brown and black people. They want to tell the world how to live through their selective morality, human rights, feminist, gay rightist, NGO's, etc.

No, he has always been a lunatic. Just because he was better to be allied with strategically for a period of time doesn't mean the world liked him. Stalin was insane but the whole western world cut deals with him all through ww2. He was never flooding the world with cheap oil either.

They want to tell the world how to live through their selective morality, human rights, feminist, gay rightist, NGO's, etc.

Its not that simple. I wished they stayed out of it though,so all the peace mongers and isolationists of the world could watch on TV, Gaddafi level crowds of people with fighter jets and hellifire missiles.

Who gives a fuck if the guy is a lunatic and likes to dress in weird clothing? It didn't matter to the leaders of various European nations who went to Libya and visited him. They were more then willing to take his money and oil. The West has no right to meddle in the internal affairs of Libya. So you want to invade people because the leader of a country is a lunatic. I bet you don't want to invade Israel when they call for the killing of Arabs, or when Sarkozy acts like a lunatic and wears elevator shoes because he is a dwarf. Don't act like a Cuntnadian that has been hit in the head with too many hockey pucks, this isn't about Gadhafi being a lunatic.

It is all about Gaddafi being a lunatic. He really is a lunatic. Lunatics are dangerous. Look at Hilter for fuck sakes. There is every good reason to eliminate lunatics from the world stage. If you have the oppertunity to take out lunatics, you do it.

What right does the Gaddafi family have to rule 6 million people by force for another 50 years or 100 years ?

Originally Posted by socal

What right does the Gaddafi family

None at all.

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia sends troops into help Baharain put down its internal revolt and the world does nothing. There is clearly a double standard at work here. 3 weeks ago Obama was against a no fly zone then France recognized the rebels as the legitimate govenment of Libya and the US and Britain caved in. Let these people sort out their own problems without our interference.

Originally Posted by Humbert

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia sends troops into help Baharain put down its internal revolt and the world does nothing. There is clearly a double standard at work here. 3 weeks ago Obama was against a no fly zone then France recognized the rebels as the legitimate govenment of Libya and the US and Britain caved in. Let these people sort out their own problems without our interference.

Got that right. B. Hussien is the ultimate tool and fool...

Originally Posted by socal

It is all about Gaddafi being a lunatic. He really is a lunatic. Lunatics are dangerous. Look at Hilter for fuck sakes. There is every good reason to eliminate lunatics from the world stage. If you have the oppertunity to take out lunatics, you do it.

What right does the Gaddafi family have to rule 6 million people by force for another 50 years or 100 years ?

Hmm. The problem comes with who is in charge of deciding who is a lunatic, and who not. Very slippery slope there. As noted elsewhere, one mans lunatic is another mans valued ally.

Personally, I would have thought that Western powers would have by now learnt the folly of intevening in North African/Middle eastern/ "Arab" (used loosely) world matters. I can't off hand think when it has ever gone well in the long run for those same western powers.

I would, again personally, stand around, look on and go "tut, tut. What a terrible thing", because, I know sure as fuck, that whatever the outcome, it won't be good for the west.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by socal

It is all about Gaddafi being a lunatic. He really is a lunatic. Lunatics are dangerous. Look at Hilter for fuck sakes. There is every good reason to eliminate lunatics from the world stage. If you have the oppertunity to take out lunatics, you do it.

What right does the Gaddafi family have to rule 6 million people by force for another 50 years or 100 years ?

Hmm. The problem comes with who is in charge of deciding who is a lunatic, and who not. Very slippery slope there. As noted elsewhere, one mans lunatic is another mans valued ally.

Personally, I would have thought that Western powers would have by now learnt the folly of intevening in North African/Middle eastern/ "Arab" (used loosely) world matters. I can't off hand think when it has ever gone well in the long run for those same western powers.

I would, again personally, stand around, look on and go "tut, tut. What a terrible thing", because, I know sure as fuck, that whatever the outcome, it won't be good for the west.

Having Saddam Hussian out of Iraq and Binladen out of Aftsan are good long term for the west. Gaddafi gone will be no diffrent.

from Stratfor

The structure through which the Libyan opposition is represented is the National Transitional Council. The first man to announce its creation was former Libyan Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who defected from the government Feb. 21 and declared the establishment of a “transitional government”

The National Transitional Council officially came into being March 6, and — for the moment, at least — has settled the personal and regional rivalry between Abdel-Jalil and Ghoga, with the former named the council’s head and the latter its spokesman. Despite the drama that preceded the formal establishment of the council, all members of the opposition have always been unified on a series of goals: They want to mount an armed offensive against the government-controlled areas in the west; they want to overthrow Gadhafi; they seek to unify the country with Tripoli as its capital; and they do not want foreign boots on Libyan soil. The unity of the rebels, in short, is based upon a common desire to oust the longtime Libyan leader.

Read more: Libya's Opposition Leadership Comes into Focus | STRATFOR

Originally Posted by socal

They want to mount an armed offensive against the government-controlled areas in the west; they want to overthrow Gadhafi; they seek to unify the country with Tripoli as its capital; and they do not want foreign boots on Libyan soil. The unity of the rebels, in short, is based upon a common desire to oust the longtime Libyan leader.

Stating the obvious... but unfortunately the so called rebels and Gadhafi opponents wants and desires are nothing more than pipedreams unless they get off their fat arab arses and do something about it, i.e. get of the fence and to date the "lunatic" is proving to be far tougher than his adverscaries thought.

All the crap about "foreign boots on Lybian soil" is posturing and political manouvering and nothing more by ignorant and tribal arabs. One thing that arab politicians are not known to be famous for is..."standing up and being counted".

Didn’t Obama say the mission was to protect innocent civilians in Libya?
Then why are the coalition bombing the shit outa the place after Gaddiffi offered a ceasefire?

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