Thread: Did Obama Cause The Shootings In Tucson?

Fair question, eh?

The media and democrats want people to focus on the nation’s “caustic political climate” after the tragedy yesterday. Maybe they should start with President Obama.

He may be the worst offender.

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers:
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

If the media really wants to improve the “caustic political climate” they may want to start at the White House...

If the likes of Beck, bimbo, Coulter et all think that this will take the spotlight off them and their incendiary, irresponsible rhetoric they are mistaken. There was of course another potential mass murder incident averted a few months ago, when some nutcase all tooled up and ready to shoot out the Tides Foundation was pulled over in his car. And shot (no great loss).

The cold blooded murder of nine people, including a Congresswoman performing the entirely laudable act of meeting her Constituents, is both a tragedy and a day of national shame for America. Yet the incident itself, though tragic and unconscionable, represents the tip of an iceberg. What sort of country are you leaving your children if politicians are scared to even meet voters? What sort of functioning political system are you leaving them if no real issues are discussed, just brainless hyperbole like 'Socialism', 'born in Kenya', or 'Moslem'?

It may, in spite of it's recent economic catastrophe, remain the western champion of Capitalism. But the USA right now is no champion of Democracy. The Republican opposition reminds me of nothing more than petulant, obstructive schoolkids. That is no way to treat your great nation and what it represents. It is obvious that many on the Right are thoroughly ashamed by this tragedy, as they should be- so hopefully it will serve as a belated wake up call. If you reduce everything to the lowest common denominator, if you trash the truth and obscure the issues with incendiary lies and panic mongering, of course the nutcases will come out of the woodwork. Meanwhile, the country that you say you love continues it's startling fall from grace. The only lesson I'm receiving from the USA right now is that the rich love their money above all else, and the poor &/or ignorant are easily manipulated- sometimes to tragic result. These people have no right to carry a gun- I wouldn't even leave them in charge of a pea shooter.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Have you noticed that the 'usual suspects' have nothing in their arsenal with which to respond to the OP?

OK, I'll bite. The nutter could have been influenced by Obama or just about any politician or blog that turn legitimate debate into ridiculous, "we're right, they're evil" rhetoric. All the negative campaigning, name calling and demonetization of political opponents by both parties is a disservice and turn off to those who want to hear intelligent debate on issues of importance.

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ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDING ME?? Sarah Palin Put Sniper Marks On Congresswoman Giffords' Head 5 Months Ago (PHOTOS)



This report was made on September 23, 2010 when Sarah Palin launched a new website:
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Sarah Palin has just thrown down the gauntlet with a new site called Take Back The 20, which is aimed at knocking off 20 Democrats who voted for Obamacare in GOP-leaning districts.

On the map, the districts are marked by snipers, which includes Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords' district..

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head today at an event in her community.

The Site has been taken down early this afternoon.

To suggest that anyone 'caused' it is absurd. There has been a lot of hateful aggressive rhetoric on both sides, ( if Obama 'caused' it, surely the shooter would have gone after a republican ) but in the end it's just an unfortunate case of one nutcase with access to a gun too many.
All this hand wringing over who caused it gets us nowhere.
And lets not get hysterical. It doesn't mean the end of anything, remember, Presidents have been shot.

I serious doubt it would have happened had Mc Cain been elected.

Politics rarely have been polarized as they are now.

Ya really don't need to be a rocket scientist to observe the obvious, don't ya know!

The level of incompetence of the current administration has no parallel. Not even Jimmy Carter's era was this bad

The Right has no monopoly on Histrionics, or radical criminal behaviour- history tells us that. And while the political 'camps' are basically fluid- eg the GOP has moved further to the right in recent history- nevertheless both parties are traditionally considered to have their loonie or fringe elements, which they contain and keep in check.

They are kept in check by moderation at the centre, by a largely tacit, voluntary acceptance that political disagreements are fought out within a political arena. Call it a form of Elitism if you will, I'm cool with that, but the damage caused to the credibility and functioning of a working political system by using demagoguery, histrionics, outright lies etc to manipulate the great unwashed masses far outweigh any political point scoring benefits- because they degrade the overall system, and people will lose faith in it. Thats what is happening now in the USA.

Whilst possessing no monopoly, the Right is unquestionably the greatest offender right now. I can remember when it was the Left- firebrand Trade Union leaders and so forth. Now these people are free to spout off, if they are kept at the margins. That way, they cause minimal damage- and surely one of the reasons for the longevity and apparent sustainability of our political system is exactly that, the ability of our political system to incorporate widely differing points of view within it's fold. But there needs to be a centre, and an acceptance of the rules of engagement.

Where this has been recently lost, I feel, is because our whole political process has been subverted by an industry, a massive industry. The PR or 'communication' industry. The PR industry encompasses many things, eg advertising, Lobbying, the media, traditional "PR", speechwriting, product placement etc. The PR industry is, and always has been, about manipulation. That in itself is not necessarily sinister- but the uses to which it is put might be. For example, a whole generation of our Mothers were nurtured on buying detergents from bottles shaped like the erect male penis. This acts on subliminal levels- but some clever marketing guy getting you to seize their product off the supermarket shelf is an argument between vendors- such as Unilever and P&G, not a moral argument. It's just about who is manipulating consumer behaviour more effectively. Before the boys snigger, this is also the case with cars- who's phallic symbolism is fairly obvious too.

The PR industry is essentially amoral. It is the uses to which it us put that might raise moral arguments. Such as politics. In the case of politics, the animals are taking over the zoo. Political animals now effectively answer to the likes of the dirty digger and his minions, and Lobbyists- arms of the PR industry. Their political message, such as it is, is refined and twisted by the various arms of the manipulative PR industry, on behalf of the interest groups they represent.

There is a simple disconnect here- it is not for the PR industy to take over the political process and twist it's policies and messages for their own ends, specifically being the ends of their clients, those who pay them. That is dishonest, and taken too far a subversion of the democratic process and what it represents. It is dangerous. That is happening now, and in the absence of a 'centre' these days, not being adequately addressed. As I've pointed out, the recent mass murder of a Congresswoman and various attendee's at a gathering is an ugly manifestation of this, yet in itself the tip of an iceberg.

It is a tragedy that these lives were lost in the process, but hopefully the incident might cause some rational people to pause and reconsider. It might become a symbol, a watershed. Because the 'game' the manipulators of the Right are playing is a road to nowhere. Never before has the likes of a Glenn Beck been given such prominence on a mass communications channel. Most of the mooted GOP Presidential candidates actually work for, are paid by, Fox- don't you think that is amazing, and disturbing?? What is the end game here? Unaddressed, the next stage is copycat behaviour by the loony minions of the Left- copycat slayings, threats, and bombings. Do you think that is desirable, or sustainable? So I hope the attempted murder of Congresswoman Giffords et al acts as a wake up call. Don't play with fire, any kid should know that.