Did Obama Cause The Shootings In Tucson?

**Boon Mee** · 10-01-2011, 07:06 AM

Fair question, eh?

The media and democrats want people to focus on the nation’s “caustic political climate” after the tragedy yesterday. Maybe they should start with President Obama.

He may be the worst offender.

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers:
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

If the media really wants to improve the “caustic political climate” they may want to start at the White House...

**Cujo** · 10-01-2011, 07:20 AM

nonsense as usual.

**Mr Earl** · 10-01-2011, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dug

nonsense as usual.

Dismissive and insulting...as usual.

Fair points imo.

**Boon Mee** · 10-01-2011, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by Dug

nonsense as usual.

Dismissive and insulting...as usual.

Fair points imo.

Have you noticed that the 'usual suspects' have nothing in their arsenal with which to respond to the OP? As in their pathetic attempts to shift blame to Palin etc for the shootings when it's documented big-time this whacked-out POS that did the shootings was a Moonbat Liberal

They don't call them Leftards for nothing, eh?

**sabang** · 10-01-2011, 07:51 AM

If the likes of Beck, bimbo, Coulter et all think that this will take the spotlight off them and their incendiary, irresponsible rhetoric they are mistaken. There was of course another potential mass murder incident averted a few months ago, when some nutcase all tooled up and ready to shoot out the Tides Foundation was pulled over in his car. And shot (no great loss).

The cold blooded murder of nine people, including a Congresswoman performing the entirely laudable act of meeting her Constituents, is both a tragedy and a day of national shame for America. Yet the incident itself, though tragic and unconscionable, represents the tip of an iceberg. What sort of country are you leaving your children if politicians are scared to even meet voters? What sort of functioning political system are you leaving them if no real issues are discussed, just brainless hyperbole like 'Socialism', 'born in Kenya', or 'Moslem'?

It may, in spite of it's recent economic catastrophe, remain the western champion of Capitalism. But the USA right now is no champion of Democracy. The Republican opposition reminds me of nothing more than petulant, obstructive schoolkids. That is no way to treat your great nation and what it represents. It is obvious that many on the Right are thoroughly ashamed by this tragedy, as they should be- so hopefully it will serve as a belated wake up call. If you reduce everything to the lowest common denominator, if you trash the truth and obscure the issues with incendiary lies and panic mongering, of course the nutcases will come out of the woodwork. Meanwhile, the country that you say you love continues it's startling fall from grace. The only lesson I'm receiving from the USA right now is that the rich love their money above all else, and the poor &/or ignorant are easily manipulated- sometimes to tragic result. These people have no right to carry a gun- I wouldn't even leave them in charge of a pea shooter.

**Mr Earl** · 10-01-2011, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

If the likes of Beck, bimbo, Coulter et all think that this will take the spotlight off them and their incendiary, irresponsible rhetoric they are mistaken.

perhaps you can cite a reference where either Beck Or Coulter are actually inciting violence?

Originally Posted by sabang

the country that you say you love continues it's startling fall from grace.

after Vietnam and you're still startled! Maybe you aren't paying attention

Originally Posted by sappybanger

The only lesson I'm receiving from the USA right now is that the rich love their money above all else,

Unlike the rich elsewhere in the world Americans are especially greedy! Righto!

**S Landreth** · 10-01-2011, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

perhaps you can cite a reference where either Beck Or Coulter are actually inciting violence?

Right-wing hate over the past two years (timeline): http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline

**Norton** · 10-01-2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Have you noticed that the 'usual suspects' have nothing in their arsenal with which to respond to the OP?

OK, I'll bite. The nutter could have been influenced by Obama or just about any politician or blog that turn legitimate debate into ridiculous, "we're right, they're evil" rhetoric. All the negative campaigning, name calling and demonetization of political opponents by both parties is a disservice and turn off to those who want to hear intelligent debate on issues of importance.

**PaulBunyon** · 10-01-2011, 06:36 PM

Boonme, you are so full of it.

Did you get your socialist check this week Boonme? How's life with free government handouts?

**Boon Mee** · 11-01-2011, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by PaulBunyon

Did you get your socialist check this week Boonme? How's life with free government handouts?

Uh, like, what government handout is that, bud?

**PaulBunyon** · 10-01-2011, 06:42 PM

Another one...

**Cujo** · 10-01-2011, 07:11 PM

The OP is so absurd it barely bears responding to.
That's why the 'usual suspects' aren't really biting.

**aging one** · 10-01-2011, 07:16 PM

Wow I had no idea people were so out there. No wonder its harder and harder to think about going back for the kids sake. What kids sake?

**chitown** · 10-01-2011, 07:47 PM

I think that Sarah was unmistakeably wrong for having targets on maps. It is inexcusable and unforgivable. Of course I never would have supported her for president (or any other office) in the first place although I would be consider by most a right wing conservative.

She is a loud mouthed hag that needs to stay on the woods in Alaska. I tire of hearing friends, acquaintances and strangers saying how intelligent and hot she is.

The worst is when they say things like "She hot and she is a hunter"

or "She looks sexy when she guts a deer". again

She makes me ill from her inside to her outside. And again

I also ask where is the outcry of the Mussie inciters Where is the arrest and conviction of the Mussies that incite deadly violence.

Both are wrong and yet the scales of justice are not even in court or in conversation.

**CaptainNemo** · 11-01-2011, 08:34 AM

...he was supposed to be the unity candidate wasn't he?!

The idea that that map triggered this incident is a pretty piss weak argument... they don't even look like targets at first glance... there's no violent or suggestive language... "take a stand"? (e.g. no use of words like "trigger" or "shoot out" etc...), no violent imagery... it's pretty tame stuff... when I heard it on the radio I expected something more like the cover of a Rambo film.

It's far more plausible to trace this incident back to the Oklahoma bombings... to reach the point where you want to plan and execute something like this would take more than a couple of years I reckon... a lot of steps have to happen before you as a 22-year-old decide to rock up with a rifle instead of go out and get some poon-tang.

At the end of the day, the onus is on Obama to use different language... he's the president, not a bystander; that's not the same as saying he's specifically responsible for this; but he has demonstrated lack of judgement.
This is really stupendously reckless, and it's surprising it (and the rest) didn't have a profile during the election.
Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’ - Washington Wire - WSJ

Originally Posted by chitown

needs to

Aaah! so "needs to" in Americanese means "should"? yes? I could never work that out... it's like a red rag to me, it sounds like a command in Britisher.

**chitown** · 11-01-2011, 08:50 AM

What was Obama's line? If they bring knives we will bring guns????

**Mr Earl** · 10-01-2011, 08:53 PM

^That still falls short of citing any reference where Beck is actually inciting violence.
While Beck call for unity and coexistence, the Obama modus operandi is confrontational and divisive, no question about it.

**S Landreth** · 21-01-2011, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

....still falls short of citing any reference where Beck is actually inciting violence.

How ‘bout this then?

**Mr Earl** · 21-01-2011, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

....still falls short of citing any reference where Beck is actually inciting violence.

How ‘bout this then?

Yep 22 seconds taken out of context might convince the gullible haters.

If you take the segment in context you will see that the "shoot them in the head" reference was an analogy to how the true communist believers are zombies and incapable of dialogue.
If Beck was indeed serious advocating violence, it wasn't that compelling I'm sorry.
I don't feel even remotely compelled to shoot anyone in the head.

Read the entire transcript if you dare to expose yourself to the truth.

**S Landreth** · 21-01-2011, 05:02 PM

^I got the article from here: ‘You’re going to have to shoot them in the head,’ Beck said of Democratic leaders | Raw Story

"Tea parties believe in small government. We believe in returning to the principles of our Founding Fathers. We respect them. We revere them. Shoot me in the head before I stop talking about the Founders. Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government.

"I will stand against you and so will millions of others. We believe in something. You in the media and most in Washington don't. The radicals that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep's clothing — change the pose. You will get the ends.

"You've been using them? They believe in communism. They believe and have called for a revolution. You're going to have to shoot them in the head. But warning, they may shoot you.

"They are dangerous because they believe. Karl Marx is their George Washington. You will never change their mind. And if they feel you have lied to them — they're revolutionaries. Nancy Pelosi, those are the people you should be worried about.

"Here is my advice when you're dealing with people who believe in something that strongly — you take them seriously. You listen to their words and you believe that they will follow up with what they say."

**attaboy** · 22-01-2011, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^That still falls short of citing any reference where Beck is actually inciting violence.
While Beck call for unity and coexistence, the Obama modus operandi is confrontational and divisive, no question about it.

Right out of the Saul Alinsky handbook Rules for Radicals.

Here's a pic of Obma teaching a portion of R4Rs. And it's not photoshopped.

**StrontiumDog** · 11-01-2011, 02:09 AM

http://globalgrind.com/channel/news/...hs-ago-photos/

ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDING ME?? Sarah Palin Put Sniper Marks On Congresswoman Giffords' Head 5 Months Ago (PHOTOS)

This report was made on September 23, 2010 when Sarah Palin launched a new website:
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Sarah Palin has just thrown down the gauntlet with a new site called Take Back The 20, which is aimed at knocking off 20 Democrats who voted for Obamacare in GOP-leaning districts.

On the map, the districts are marked by snipers, which includes Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords' district..

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head today at an event in her community.

The Site has been taken down early this afternoon.

**Cujo** · 11-01-2011, 07:15 AM

To suggest that anyone 'caused' it is absurd. There has been a lot of hateful aggressive rhetoric on both sides, ( if Obama 'caused' it, surely the shooter would have gone after a republican ) but in the end it's just an unfortunate case of one nutcase with access to a gun too many.
All this hand wringing over who caused it gets us nowhere.
And lets not get hysterical. It doesn't mean the end of anything, remember, Presidents have been shot.

**Mr Earl** · 11-01-2011, 08:16 AM

I serious doubt it would have happened had Mc Cain been elected.

Politics rarely have been polarized as they are now.

Ya really don't need to be a rocket scientist to observe the obvious, don't ya know!

The level of incompetence of the current administration has no parallel. Not even Jimmy Carter's era was this bad

**chitown** · 11-01-2011, 08:21 AM

A documented read showing the left pointing guns at Sarah Palin's head. The left is guilty of hate even more than the right, But NOTHING is ever said about it then.

Michelle Malkin

Although though it is CLEARLY documented, it will be dismissed as it is on Michelle's site. However, if you can look at the evidence.

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