What's up with Norway?

**attaboy** · 26-10-2006, 12:58 PM

Why is Norway still hunting whales and why are they supportive of the Canadian seal hunts?

According to Lars Walloe, the Norewgian government adviser on marine mammel issues, "Each Minke whale we kill gives 5 tons more fish to the Norwegian fishermen. With such low catches as we are experiencing right now we cant afford to feed such a big population of whales. Of course we should have whales and seals in our oceans but we can not afford to have too many."

I almost feel sorry for Norwegians. Outcasts they are operating in the darker corners of commerce. If they are threatened by a seal or a whale I fear their paranoia of those competitors who can read and write!

**Storekeeper** · 26-10-2006, 01:18 PM

Good topic. I don't think about backwardsass countries like Norway often but this is a serious topic.

Seems like people from countries that are predominantly white people get away with this kinda shit. While countries like Japan seem to be held to a higher standard.

You do know that some species of whales have been hunted to extinction by countries like Norway, right ?

**attaboy** · 26-10-2006, 01:40 PM

Good point SK. Countries like Norway fly under the radar.

**Whiteshiva** · 26-10-2006, 02:57 PM

Yes we kill mink wales. They are not threathened by extintion. by anyone's definition. Ditto the seals. What's the problem?

**RandomChances** · 26-10-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Yes we kill mink wales. They are not threathened by extintion. by anyone's definition. Ditto the seals. What's the problem?

Ignorance ?

**Whiteshiva** · 26-10-2006, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by RandomChances

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Yes we kill mink wales. They are not threathened by extintion. by anyone's definition. Ditto the seals. What's the problem?

Ignorance

I think you hit the nail on the head.

**Accidental Ajarn** · 26-10-2006, 04:24 PM

How about adding stupidity to ignorance?

**Boon Mee** · 26-10-2006, 04:29 PM

Norway has got to be one of the sorriest countries on earth.
Arrogant, expensive and the weather up there sucks...

**attaboy** · 26-10-2006, 04:32 PM

Yes but whose stupidity and ignorance? Or perhaps it's just primitive behavior. Killing defenseless animals who are just trying to live a peaceful life just because they compete with Norwegian fishermen sounds kind of primitive in its logic.

**RandomChances** · 26-10-2006, 04:36 PM

^I eat meat, so it would be a bit hypercritical for me to judge but the minke whale and the seals are not an endangered species as a far as I know. Are they more worthy of life that a cow, chicken or the lowley cod ?

**Boon Mee** · 26-10-2006, 04:43 PM

In the words of the Motor City Rocker: "Kill it and grill it"

BTW, I don't have anything against whales, seals etc. Let them live their life. A cow is a cow...

**ADare** · 26-10-2006, 04:47 PM

It's okay to kill foxes because they may eat chickens, but it is not okay to kill whales and seals because they eat fish?

Can some one explain to me why.

**attaboy** · 26-10-2006, 04:48 PM

I hear ya Boon.

The governement advisor said, "We cant afford to feed such a big population of whales ."

He speaks as if the fish are domestic livestock belonging to the Norwegians and the whales are to be culled like varmits. I thought the whales were hunted for a food source.

**Little Chuchok** · 26-10-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Good topic. I don't think about backwardsass countries like Norway often but this is a serious topic.

Seems like people from countries that are predominantly white people get away with this kinda shit. While countries like Japan seem to be held to a higher standard.

You do know that some species of whales have been hunted to extinction by countries like Norway, right ?

The japs are still arseholes though.They bribe smaller nations on the Whaling Commission Thingie...so they can start slaughtering them.cnuts.

**RDN** · 26-10-2006, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Good topic. I don't think about backwardsass countries like Norway often but this is a serious topic.

Seems like people from countries that are predominantly white people get away with this kinda shit. While countries like Japan seem to be held to a higher standard...

You ever seen a Jap? They look pretty white to me!

**Skulldigger** · 26-10-2006, 05:20 PM

If these whales really are not threatened by extinction (which I dont really know because I havent bothered checking it) I dont see the problem either. If they are threatened by extinction the Norwegians need to take a chill pill.

People get all weird about whales but happily eat meat from other animals every day. Hypocrisy.

**stroller** · 26-10-2006, 05:36 PM

Non-farmed animals are killed all over the world to keep their stock down, sometimes because there are no natural enemies, sometimes to prevent them from eating the food we like to harvest - nothing unusual here.
Objectionable if it's a protected species, otherwise a matter of personal approval.

My garden has become a sort of bird-sanctuary recently - one of the few places they won't be shot down around the village - they eat the rice from the fields.

**Whiteshiva** · 27-10-2006, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

If these whales really are not threatened by extinction (which I dont really know because I havent bothered checking it) I dont see the problem either. If they are threatened by extinction the Norwegians need to take a chill pill.

People get all weird about whales but happily eat meat from other animals every day. Hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Skulldigger

If these whales really are not threatened by extinction (which I dont really know because I havent bothered checking it) I dont see the problem either. If they are threatened by extinction the Norwegians need to take a chill pill.

People get all weird about whales but happily eat meat from other animals every day. Hypocrisy.

Exactly,

You normally find the anti-whaling crown short on actual knowledge and high on emotions. For those of us who didn't grow up believing that Walt Disney's "Bambi" or "Lion King" are actual representations of how nature works, and do not believe that the beef steak you pick up in the supermarket on a styrofoam plate nicely wrapped in plastic actually originated there, the killing of animals is part of life.

The mink whale is plentiful in the North Atlantic and has been hunted in Norway for more than a thousand years. The quotas are in accordance with the limits recommended by no other than the IWC scientific committee. Most Norwegians support whaling, but if there was any shred of evidence that the hunt was actually endangering the mink whales as a species, the domestic political pressure to stop it would be overwhelming and immediate.

I think you will be hard pressed to find another country more concerned about the environment or the protection of endangered species than Norway. Hunting of animals for food has long traditions in my country, but is carried out under strict rules and regulations, with yearly quotas being set scientifically, not by pressure from hunters.

Be aware that whale meat is considered a delicacy in Norway, and most people of my generation grew up eating the stuff regularly. The meat is high in nutritional value, and tastes fantastic. It is great BBQed, perhaps I should make a thread about that one day.....

I am not supportive of Japan's whaling on the other hand, as they seem to basically kill any whale they can lay their hands on, including endangered species "for scientific reasons". At least the Norwegians are honest about this being commercial whaling - no ifs and buts.

As for killing seals, they are not endangered either, and hence, in my opinion may be culled as long as it is being done in accordance with regulations. Some opponents of sealing state that they are only killed for the fur, and while this may be true in Canada, in Norway the meat is occasionally eaten by people (remember seeing canned seal meat in the shop once), but more often, I think, used for dog food. Haven't actually tried it myself.

So, to those of you who oppose whaling, I am curious - which wonderful ecologically sound, hunting-free countries do you come from, and what do you personally eat to survive?

**Whiteshiva** · 27-10-2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Norway has got to be one of the sorriest countries on earth.
Arrogant, expensive and the weather up there sucks...

I'll take the bait, BM

Best place to live in 2005? Norway - Europe - MSNBC.com

Voted best country in the world to live in since 2001.

Good ol' US of A? - no.10

, beaten by Canada and Ireland, amongst others....

But it is expensive, I'll give you that.....

**RandomChances** · 27-10-2006, 10:19 AM

I was quite suprised to see two of our well renowned right wing posters supporting such commie pinko loony left wing hippy ideals, they'll be on anti-neuclear and prisoner rights rallys next

**Whiteshiva** · 27-10-2006, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by RandomChances

I was quite suprised to see two of our well renowned right wing posters supporting such commie pinko loony left wing hippy ideals, they'll be on anti-neuclear and prisoner rights rallys next

Them are pro'bly city folks - ain't got half a brain 'tween 'em.......

**forreachingme** · 27-10-2006, 11:25 AM

Canada and Alaska whales fishermen, stopped this activity and are now going to sea with tourists to spot those huge animals

They make more money then before and life is a bit easier in the same time...

But the whale tourism starts to be criticised as well, disturbing a bit to much this sea inhabitants some say, bloody humans...

**Hootad Binky** · 27-10-2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by attaboy

Outcasts they are operating in the darker corners of commerce.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

backwardsass countries like Norway

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Norway has got to be one of the sorriest countries on earth.

Norway (from it's large North Sea oil deposits) has a reserve national fund of around a quarter of a trillion dollars to play around with. It's the second-largest in the world (the Chinese have a trillion) and has effects on the world financial markets that would make conspiracy theorists slather, (funny we never hear much about it).

My point? Why would they need to hunt whales?

**attaboy** · 27-10-2006, 12:22 PM

Thank you stroll for your mild support. From your personal conduct with the neighborhood birds I conclude that although you yourself would not kill a whale you aknowledge Norways right to eat fish.

So what I see is Norway kills its competitors and takes their competitors share or its all Norways to begin with and they are culling varmits? It stills sound like a primitive way of going about their business and meeting their needs. Struggling against nature. Subjugating it or destroying it to get what they want at the price Norwegians consumers want to pay. Surely Norwegians could pay a little more so that peaceful animals could live?

The Norwegian whalers claim cultural heritage. Their whale culling is the equivalent to Inuit kills for food and rituals which binds them as a people. Cultural heritage enables an EU subsidy to be paid to the whalers. So they kill mammals to provide themselves with a cheaper fish source and they gather government subsidies too? The subsidy would mean the food source actually is more expensive only the expense of having to pay a subsidy to gather the food is hidden. It sounds complicated with governemt expenses piled onto a pound of cod.

Cheaper fish in the market and subsidies. Does Italy need to cull dolphins to sell sardines at a cheaper price? The World Council of Whalers's website includes dolphins killed in the Phillippines and the Caribbean. Does Norway really need to point fingers at incidental killings of dolphins to say 'its not just us'. A strange coalition the Norwegians seek to imagine.

**Wallace** · 27-10-2006, 12:34 PM

There is a massive difference between hunting and killing wild animals and farming. It is not hypocrisy to eat meat (which is farmed) and also to protest against whaling.

Whatever claims the Norwegians may make, they have destroyed most of the fish stocks in the North Sea and Minke whales ARE on the endangered species list. Just because they're not down to the last half dozen, doesn't mean they're not endangered. There's no reason to hunt and kill whales, it just doesn't make economic sense and it's cruel.

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