Thread: What's up with Norway?

Originally Posted by Sanuk Canuk

This much maligned industry is a boon for fishermen who are hardly getting by.

too bad. they should move and find another job.

this barbaric industry should be outlawed, and it's shameful that it is still in existence.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I've butchered many animals. It's not a big deal. I actually enjoy it because it requires some skill to do it well. Making good sausage is an art though. I can have a caribou gutted and quartered in less than 15 minutes.( I know a couple of natives who can do it in 5 minutes!) I can remove the tongue from it's skull in 30 seconds.

and..... you can further reveal your true nature in however long it took you to make that post-- which is probably longer than one would imagine.

Originally Posted by raycarey

this barbaric industry should be outlawed, and it's shameful that it is still in existence.

Quite right only non-cute animals should be allowed to be slaughtered.

Have you noticed when people talk about the depletion of fish stock's that they are never really intrested on the actal fish, just the fact that we may not have enough of them to eat

i've got a relatively clean conscience....i haven't eaten meat in over ten years, or purchased dead animal products in 6.

Originally Posted by RandomChances

Originally Posted by raycarey

this barbaric industry should be outlawed, and it's shameful that it is still in existence.

Quite right only non-cute animals should be allowed to be slaughtered.

Have you noticed when people talk about the depletion of fish stock's that they are never really intrested on the actal fish, just the fact that we may not have enough of them to eat

I really fancy a jumbo cod and chips with loads of vinegar and HP sauce.

Originally Posted by raycarey

i've got a relatively clean conscience....i haven't eaten meat in over ten years, or purchased dead animal products in 6.

My conscience is also clean. And I really fancy a jumbo cod and chips...

Colonel Saunders discovers God's a chicken...

If you guys really want to know what can happen if any species of whale goes extinct you need to watch a little Star Trek.

Originally Posted by raycarey

oh earl.
chin-up little buckeroo!
it's ok that you felt it necessary to attempt to display your masculinity by posting how much you enjoy butchering animals ---and boasting how quickly you can do it.
don't be ashamed and try to backtrack. it's OK

Your condescending attitude is so endearing!
As far as my discourse on butchering animals it is more in regard to the natives I know and their skill and dependence on the harvesting of the available natural resources. I'd like to see you be a vegetarian in Kotzebue!
As Girdwood is more of a mecca for fruits and nuts.

and as i posted earlier on this thread, i've been a veg for over ten years....how could i not be aware of rennet?

by the way, i lived in girdwood back in the early nineties.....i ate fine (like many people in AK, i gained weight) and never had the need to see how quickly i could remove a tongue from the skull of a caribou.

Since you have declined to answer my question regarding your consumption of cheese produced with rennet I will assume that your answer is to the affirmative.
Rennet is a byproduct from the wholesale slaughter of animals. I know it is virtually impossible to be a vegetarian without coming in contact with rennet. So you manage to rationalize this, which makes you a hypocrite like so many so called "vegetarian" who decry the industrial slaughter of animals.

At least I was hands on in some of my meat eating.
Most non vegetarians don't have a clue about rennet and really don't understand the implications.

BTW what you consider my boasting is more of an testament of the skill and experience of natives of northwest Alaska.
The tongue removal trick was something I learned for some siberian reindeer herders which I found interesting.
The only reason you got fat in girdwood is probably because of beer and dorritos the staple of Alaskan couch potatoes. BTW you know how the cheese on dorritos is made don't you?
All you have to do is eat one dorrito to make you a sanctimonious hypocrite. Do you still feel high an mighty?

Anyway.....about these whales

Originally Posted by RandomChances

Anyway.....about these whales

The whales should survive if the Japanese and the Norwegians quit their commercial whaling under the guise of tradition.

The only people whaling responsibly are the natives in Alaska.

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Good topic. I don't think about backwardsass countries like Norway often but this is a serious topic.

Seems like people from countries that are predominantly white people get away with this kinda shit. While countries like Japan seem to be held to a higher standard.

You do know that some species of whales have been hunted to extinction by countries like Norway, right ?

The japs are still arseholes though.They bribe smaller nations on the Whaling Commission Thingie...so they can start slaughtering them.cnuts.

but interestingly enough the International Whaling Commision was set up and is supposed to be a group of nations interested in sustainable whaling ... so I would imagine the Japanese and Norwegians feel right miffed about all the western countries on the IWC that do the same thing....

Originally Posted by kingwillyhggtb

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Good topic. I don't think about backwardsass countries like Norway often but this is a serious topic.

Seems like people from countries that are predominantly white people get away with this kinda shit. While countries like Japan seem to be held to a higher standard.

You do know that some species of whales have been hunted to extinction by countries like Norway, right ?

The japs are still arseholes though.They bribe smaller nations on the Whaling Commission Thingie...so they can start slaughtering them.cnuts.

but interestingly enough the International Whaling Commision was set up and is supposed to be a group of nations interested in sustainable whaling ... so I would imagine the Japanese and Norwegians feel right miffed about all the western countries on the IWC that do the same thing....

This is exactly why the IWC is becoming a bit of a joke. It was set up to protect the whales from becoming extinct, but when numbers started increasing, and even the IWC's scientific committee OK'ed (closely monitored) commercial whaling for some species, several member nations (who are not whaling nations) suddenly turned around and said "oh, they are actually rather cute animals" or something to that effect.

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Attaboy, I appreciate the discussion, and you have a couple of good points - but perhaps you could enlighten us as to your own origin, and tell us how your country has taken care of its natural resources? If us Norwegians are doing such a crappy job of it, perhaps you could show us the way?

Attaboy - what happened - dolphin's got your tongue?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Rennet is a byproduct from the wholesale slaughter of animals. I know it is virtually impossible to be a vegetarian without coming in contact with rennet. So you manage to rationalize this, which makes you a hypocrite like so many so called "vegetarian" who decry the industrial slaughter of animals.

Just as a sidenote:
I don't know how you arrive at the conclusions you do from ray's comment - assumption?

It's easy to avoid rennet, I've been vegetarian during some periods of my life, I am talking from experience. Rennet is used in certain hard-cheeses, such as Cheddar and other Brit products, but by no means in all diary products. Even without dairy products, vegetarians live well - lots of delicious foods to be had.

norway is ok. i've been there-the folks are good, the women are very good looking. expensive---hell yes, cold ---hell yes, but all in all a fun place to hang and see! btw, i don't like fish...nice that they have alternatives for brekkie (frokost)!

*Notice*
This article does not apply to whales or fish with a norwegian passport!!


Ocean fish, seafood could collapse by 2048: study
Thu Nov 2, 2006 3:28 PM ET

By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The world's fish and seafood populations will collapse by 2048 if current trends in habitat destruction and overfishing continue, resulting in less food for humans, researchers said on Thursday.
In an analysis of scientific data going back to the 1960s and historical records over a thousand years, the researchers found that marine biodiversity -- the variety of ocean fish, shellfish, birds, plants and micro-organisms -- has declined dramatically, with 29 percent of species already in collapse.
Extending this pattern into the future, the scientists calculated that by 2048 all species would be in collapse, which the researchers defined as having catches decline 90 percent from the maximum catch.
This applies to all species, from mussels and clams to tuna and swordfish, said Boris Worm, lead author of the study, which was published in the current edition of the journal Science.
Ocean mammals, including seals, killer whales and dolphins, are also affected.
"Whether we looked at tide pools or studies over the entire world's ocean, we saw the same picture emerging," Worm said in a statement. "In losing species we lose the productivity and stability of entire ecosystems. I was shocked and disturbed by how consistent these trends are -- beyond anything we suspected."When ocean species collapse, it makes the ocean itself weaker and less able to recover from shocks like global climate change, Worm said.
The decline in marine biodiversity is largely due to over-fishing and destruction of habitat, Worm said in a telephone interview from Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia. The loss of biodiversity makes ocean ecosystems less able to recover from the effects of global climate change, pollution and over-exploitation, Worm said.
He likened a diverse ocean environment to a diversified investment portfolio.
With lots of different species in the oceans, just as with lots of different kinds of investments, "You spread the risk around," Worm said. "In the ocean ecosystem, we're losing a lot of the species in our stock portfolio, and by that we're losing productivity and stability. by losing stability, we're losing the ability of the system to self-repair."

"This research shows we'll have few viable fisheries by 2050," Andrew Sugden, international managing editor of Science, told reporters at a telephone news briefing. "This work also shows that it's not too late to act."
To help depleted areas rebuild, marine-life reserves and no-fishing zones need to be set up, Worm and other authors of the study said. This has proven effective in places including the Georges Bank off the U.S. Atlantic coast, he said.
With marine reserves in place, fishing near the reserves can improve as much as four-fold, Worm said.
Beyond the economic benefits to coastal communities where fishing is a critical industry, there are environmental benefits to rebuilding marine biodiversity, the scientists said.
Depleted coastal ecosystems are vulnerable to invasive species, disease outbreaks, coastal flooding and noxious algae blooms, they reported.
Certain kinds of aquaculture -- like the traditional Chinese cultivation of carp using vegetable waste -- can also be beneficial, according to the scientists. However, farms that aim to raise carnivorous fish are less effective.
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That's a very general assessment, Herman.
The point concerning these whales is that they are not an endangered species, but they do their part to consume tons of fish which could be used for human consumption.

Are you saying that our oceans are not in a bad-bad shape?

In the year 2004 norwegian whale hunters had to stopp whaling due to low demand on whale meat. They were allowed to kill 670 whales but only killed 543.
The low demand could be due to the increased toxic waste found in whale meat. Whaling is no longer the only threat to whales. The oceans have changed dramatically over the half century. Which brings us back to the article above.
So actually I agree with you Stroller....somebody has got to clean the toxic waste for us. Since no other Europeans are willing to do this dirty job.... I will say
Bon Appetit
or
Skål! vel be'kome




P.S.
Toxic waste has been linked to birth defects, brain damage and cancer.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Rennet is a byproduct from the wholesale slaughter of animals. I know it is virtually impossible to be a vegetarian without coming in contact with rennet. So you manage to rationalize this, which makes you a hypocrite like so many so called "vegetarian" who decry the industrial slaughter of animals.

Just as a sidenote:
I don't know how you arrive at the conclusions you do from ray's comment - assumption?

It's easy to avoid rennet, I've been vegetarian during some periods of my life, I am talking from experience. Rennet is used in certain hard-cheeses, such as Cheddar and other Brit products, but by no means in all diary products. Even without dairy products, vegetarians live well - lots of delicious foods to be had.

You missed the point troller!
If Ray is a vegetarian for reasons which denounce the slaughter of animals eating a product made with rennet makes him a hypocrite. Most cheese products have rennet. Most vegetarians eat cheese. Rennet is almost never listed in the ingredients.
Note that Ray never answered my question. So obviously he has eaten a cheese product with rennet while he pontificates against the slaughter of animals. Which is blatant hypocrisy.

Note that Ray never answered my question.

Thanks, so your vitriol is based on assumption.
Well, at least you managed to keep Michael Moore out of it this time...