Thread: torture

Waterboarding, in which a prisoner is secured with his feet above his head and has water poured on a cloth over his face, is one of several methods of simulating drowning that date at least to the Spanish Inquisition. It has been specifically prohibited by the U.S. Army and widely condemned as torture by human rights groups and international courts.

Cheney Defends 'Dunk in the Water' Remark - washingtonpost.com



btw, did anyone notice how cheney had to trot out his wife to defend him on CNN this morning?

Originally Posted by RDN

So do I then. If a terrorist - in fact, if anybody - knew where a bomb was located that was going to kill lots of people, I would do whatever was necessary - including torture - to get that information out of him/her.

Better call 911 (999 in UK, 191 in Thailand).

Sure, but part of the problem is the complacency of the prosperous West and the calibre of wacko it breeds; trendy lefty armchair saviours that condemn and scrutinise not the carnage left behind by every blast, nor the disruption to our way of life or the inordinate strain on our economies it is causing, but the relatively minor blunder, breach of human rights and other misdemeanour that pales into comparison, made by forces in preventative and retaliatory actions which are compelled by the radical Islamists themselves.

Fortress West, because that is what it is becoming due to inadequate leadership in the face of the scourge, is far from perfect but the best we have and worthy of any sacrifice to perpetuate. Ironically, it is being undermined from within, by the unthinking masses it's own demanding values and principles spawn.

Whenever the lib/left/looneys claim to cherish freedom, and then go on to mitigate in the same sentence randomised terror against the infidel world, I imagine Allah's finest laughing all the way to the local bombmaker.

But that's all for now, otherwise we risk another klunk-klick!

Originally Posted by raycarey

btw, did anyone notice how cheney had to trot out his wife to defend him on CNN this morning?

And she evicerated that toss-pot Wolf Striesand!

if that's how you want to spin it boonie.

i'm sure the RNC is thrilled to have the vice president's wife on CNN defending her husband's position on waterboarding ten days before the election.

her being upset and complaining that the questions weren't 'fair', doesn't exactly qualify as an evisceration....but it's been a tough few months for republicans and i suppose you need to find solace wherever you can.

now bush himself is cleaning up cheney's mess...

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Friday the United States does not torture prisoners, trying to calm a controversy created when Vice President Dick Cheney embraced the suggestion that a “dunk in water” might be useful to get terrorist suspects to talk.

Bush: U.S. doesn't torture prisoners - Politics - MSNBC.com

in all seriousness, have their been investigations into whether cheney is mentally or physically ill?

the dick cheney of five years ago never would have fucked up like this....but all those heart operations, shooting that guy in the face, being COMPLETELY wrong about iraq, etc... has to wear on a guy.

maybe he'll die soon.

Come on people, I hope we are not naive to think that some kind of 'pressure' is not exerted on captives on both sides.

If it's OK for us to torture then it is OK for them to torture us?

Originally Posted by raycarey

it's been a tough few months for republicans and i suppose you need to find solace wherever you can.

Get ready for Nov. 7th.
The Party of 'Cut & Run' is in for a surprise!

It's not alright for anyone to torture, but it happens. And don't think in all of history and all the wars and altercations that have happened and are happening now, that the 'bad' guys are the only ones doing the deed.

Even if the bad guys do it the 'good' guys are supposed to have a higher level of integrity, ethics, and intelligence.

If teh good guys make it policy to torture then what exactly separates the good guys from the bad? Not one damn thing.

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Waterboarding, in which a prisoner is secured with his feet above his head and has water poured on a cloth over his face, is one of several methods of simulating drowning that date at least to the Spanish Inquisition. It has been specifically prohibited by the U.S. Army and widely condemned as torture by human rights groups and international courts.

The US army doesn't practice water boarding.

It is only considered "torture" by bleeding hearts like yourself.

Have you ever looked a sharia law and how you dear buddies in the arab world regard your "touchy-feelly" concept of human rights?

Good golly those horrible americans! Daring to pour water on certain detainees faces!.

Surasak, yes but do you really believe that the good guys don't do it. Why? Because they are held to a higher moral standard?
Its not policy, I know. Neither is 'code red', from the movie 'A few good men'

Of course they do it. The U.S. government is as corrupt as any government on this planet. It doesn't matter if the good guys do it or not. But they can't be good guys if they do.

All I'm saying is if we use the justification that 'they' do it (so we should) then nothing really separates us from 'them' aside from some delusional notion that we're good and they're bad.

Originally Posted by surasak

if we use the justification that 'they' do it (so we should) then nothing really separates us from 'them' aside from some delusional notion that we're good and they're bad.

Agreed. No agruements here. I use 'good' guys and 'bad' guys for want of a better term.

Originally Posted by surasak

Of course they do it. The U.S. government is as corrupt as any government on this planet. It doesn't matter if the good guys do it or not. But they can't be good guys if they do.

All I'm saying is if we use the justification that 'they' do it (so we should) then nothing really separates us from 'them' aside from some delusional notion that we're good and they're bad.

I agree completely, and this extends to other areas where the justification is used, as I read in another thread recently, "they" don't care, why should we?

The moral lows fear and hate makes compatriotes fall to is almost unbelievable, makes one wonder whether we really have evolved much from the Neandertals?

Originally Posted by stroller

The moral lows fear and hate makes compatriotes fall to is almost unbelievable, makes one wonder whether we really have evolved much from the Neandertals?

Indeed while we are debating whether water boarding is torture or not(which it is not) Palestinians, Iraqi and other jihadist fanatics sponsored by Tehran and Saudi Arabia are murdering indiscriminately.

So, therefore, should we? We don't 'wipe' those places off the map any more because other nations have the same weapons to which they can respond with. Why the hell do you think NK, Iran, and the like want these weapons? Because history tells them why it's necessary. We're the only nation with the history of overwhelmingly responding when not being responded to. Did Japan drop an atomic bomb on us? Did Germans firebomb our cities? Did the Vietnamese poison our forests with chemicals? Did Iraq invade us?

See, that's what separates a true conservative from a dime store conservative who would sell his moral character on the beat of a drum: I don't do unto others as they would do unto me and I especially don't give a response that isn't moral or right.

Originally Posted by surasak

So, therefore, should we? We don't 'wipe' those places off the map any more because other nations have the same weapons to which they can respond with. Why the hell do you think NK, Iran, and the like want these weapons? Because history tells them why it's necessary. We're the only nation with the history of overwhelmingly responding when not being responded to. Did Japan drop an atomic bomb on us? Did Germans firebomb our cities? Did the Vietnamese poison our forests with chemicals?

Care to refrain from the spurious hysterical historical finger pointing and stay focused?

Did Iraq invade us?

Yes Iraq invaded Kuwait which is essentially an American protectorate.

See, that's what separates a true conservative from a dime store conservative who would sell his moral character on the beat of a drum: I don't do unto others as they would do unto me and I especially don't give a response that isn't moral or right.

Again you're displaying the tedious tendency towards the glib and spurious aping of your hate american gurus. You convey zero substance.

I wasn't suggesting we bomb the ME into oblivion. I just pointed out that the USA has the capability. If the USA was so morally destitute and irresponsible as you suggest why haven't the US military really flexed the muscle they have at their disposal?
Take your time with your response and check what/how Michael Moore would respond!