Thread: What makes terrorists?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

ok, gotta go, it stopped raining and I am going to be late for the ladyboys bar. Maybe we can finish those revelations tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by stroller

I don't understand what children's rights in Arab countries have to do with UN resolutions and Israel?

Getting a bit carried away here, Herman?

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I think it is called respect!
That you don't respect your enemy I can understand. But your own children?!???

"The UN's Declaration of the Rights of Children of November 22, 1959 states that "Humanity must give the child the best of itself", and in Principle 9, it declares that "the child must be protected from any form of negligence, cruelty and exploitation and must not be submitted to trade of any form."
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I agree with you, but you missed the point. UN resolutions are not conditional on others adhering to different UN legislation. The (alledged) disregard for children's rights is no justification for Israel's actions.
You are confused.

Have you seen the pics of Palestine victims of war/violence? Any comment on the fate of those children?

Do you think I'am like those animals who cheered after they saw 9/11?
I hope that answers your question.

I remember a lot of cheering in Britain and America during Desert Storm. Remember the smugness of the Generals and how the people were wowed by the CNN footage of smart bombs going down chimneys? How is that different to people cheering on 9/11???

I also remember a lot of cheering in the Arab/muslim world too.
How many % of the world was for desert storm?

P.S. a lot of people also cheered when they found out that Adolf Hitler is dead.
Sorry...I guess my comparison is just as absurd as yours.

So Americans cheering when their enemies are blown up is ok but it is animal like if Muslims do it?

Originally Posted by humphrey

Originally Posted by ceburat

Teaching children to hate.

Teaching children to fight.

Adults wondering why there is war's.

Oh well, Maybe someday the world will wake up.

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And that goes for both sides.

Indeed! so they are passing out M16's in western primary schools now? Are they indoctrinating hatred of Arabs, Muslims, and Islam in general now?
Or ever?

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Today in the news:
Palestinians are going crazy, firing guns up in the air (nothing new I guess), burning cars, because they have'nt been paid their salary. Since the EU and the U.S have stopped GIVING money to the Palis, they are in a bit of trouble to pay some employees. Thank God my tax money ain't going there anymore!
Why are the oil rich muslim countries not helping out to pay a few employees? Why are they investing millions in Katuscha rockets and terrorism, but not for the REAL cause.
Or could it be that they are hoping for more anarchy and waiting for "THAT MAKES A TERRORIST" even better syndrom.
And again it is true what I said so many times here at Teak Door. Muslims don't realy care about the faith of the Palestinian People! They just got a big mouth.

Or maybe the Palis just haven't killed enough Israelies lately (lets face it-it has been quite lately) to receive another big check.

Palestinian militants armed with Katuscha rockets? Really? This is a new development! Where did you here about this?

K

I hope your question was meant seriously.

On 03 January 2002, in Operation Noah’s Ark, Israel captured in the Red Sea the Karine-A, a Palestinian Authority freighter. The vessel was found to be carrying twelve-mile-range Katyusha rockets, antitank missiles, and high explosives.

AP 30.06.2006
Palestinian militants have smuggled a number of Katyusha rockets into the Gaza Strip, potentially threatening towns well inside Israel, a senior Israeli military official said Friday.

28.06.2006
A Katyusha rocket was fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel for the first time on Tuesday, raising fears that Palestinian terror groups have obtained additional weaponry that the IDF had yet to face in its war against Gaza-based terror.

Originally Posted by Macha

real terror was done against him and his people first. He's merely striking back in revenge.

And so the cycle of violence begins.

Originally Posted by Macha

you have never been in such situation so it's almost impossible to say what your reaction would be

Have you?

Originally Posted by mad_dog

the vast majority of Israelis support the systematic degredation of the Palestinain people.

Link or data, please.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

what would you be ? collaborator or terrorist freedom fighter ?

Why is a freedom fighter necessarily a terrorist?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

a slow and quiet death with no success ?

There have been many conflicts and successful revolutions in which civilians were not targeted by freedom fighters.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

The fact is, is that terrorism works.

In Sri Lanka? In Southern Thailand? In East Timor? In Basque country? In Nepal?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

let's twist this a bit more ...let's say blowing up a building to save your friends and family ? would you do it ?

In all fairness, would you? It's easy to ask difficult questions, particularly ones you yourself are unwilling to answer.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

if I was desperate enough and angry enough, sure I would.

Finally, a clear justification of terrorism.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by KID

so fuk it then--it would be perfectly O.K. to drop a nuke on Iraq then ????

^ as a desperate measure ? yes

and it would qualify as state-sponsored terrorism

Another justification.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

i think you guys are missing the point. To the terrorist it is not a case of right and wrong. To the terrorist the end justifies the means

Exactly, the cause is what matters.

I thought it was "desperation" that mattered.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Would that be a desperate measure ? you bet. Would that qualify as terrorism ? absolutely.

Yup, "desperation" legitimates terrorism, it seems.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

This is not terrorism, this is Total War, as practised in the Second World War. Fortunately, or, unfortunately, technology has come so far that total war is now unthinkable.

You guys disagree.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Worse, some liberals in the US would be so pissed about the situation that they would start carrying suicide bombing themselves. See ?

No. Don't see.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

THOU SHALL NOT KILL

ever heard of that one ?

Don't be so bloody self-righteous. What are you, 17?

Originally Posted by stroller

If you just concentrate from the outside on media coverage of the IRA terrorism, would you conclude that the Irish cannot live in peace with other people?

Who concludes that?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I think you pretty much qualify as a terrorist sympathizer.

You obviously sympathize with terrorists in "desperate" circumstances.

Originally Posted by stroller

I bet if it was Iran invading the USA, you will without doubt kill their women and children to protect your country.

...and you'll see yank kill yank, as the religious rightwingers would attempt to usurp power, establish a god-state and blow up all the liberal traitors.

God-state? "Blow them up?" Did you read this in a comic book? Let's not indulge our paranoid fantasies too much.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

they will become what they hate the most: terrorists

I thought there wasn't a difference. None that you've defined, in any case.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

The suicide bombings in Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan against the West have nothing to do with religion.

They certainly do now.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Palestinians and Israelis = Land dispute.

And Hamas/Hezbollah, are led by, um, clerics, isn't that right?

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Iraq and Afghanistan = Invasion by outsiders.

In Iraq, agreed.

In Afganistan... er, the invasion was against the Taliban (religious zealots, remember?) for sheltering ... another religious zealot (you know who).

Originally Posted by stroller

Exactly!
When was the last time you heard of a Muslim terrorist asking a Westerner to convert to Islam before killing them?

Hardly polite! Doesn't give me much faith in Islam, either.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

you proceed to support state-terrorism while condemning Islam terrorism.

Again, according to you, they are two sides of the same coin.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The US has sponsored hundreds of 911 in other countries in the last 50 years

Hundreds? Link please.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Democracy seems to fail more in Bhuddist countries more than Muslim countries

But not Christian countries. Care to explain why?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Your constant circle arguments

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I think he is playing circle games. Probably to make a point. Which one ? I don't know.

Speak for yourself.

Originally Posted by mad_dog

I just think that the US demands that the Palestinians unilaterally renounce violence is just ridiculous.

Agreed. And you've made this point several times!

Originally Posted by Butterfly

you would have been a Nazi admirer if Hitler had won.

That's a dispicable, disgraceful comment.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Maybe you could comprehend the real cause of terrorists. I do

That much is evident.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ceburat

What I believe about religion or do not believe is of no concern to you

I will take this as a yes, which definitely puts in the nuthouse with kerux.

His religion is none of your business. Your distrust of the US and Israel makes you more like Kerux, actually (what does he call it: "USrael?"). You're peas in a pod on that one.

First this is said:

Originally Posted by stroller

I respect your passion, Mhz, but please don't post this sort of pics again. Not everyone wants to look at them, and people complain about it.
...That applies to others, too.

Then this:

Originally Posted by stroller

Have you seen the pics of Palestine victims of war/violence? Any comment on the fate of those children?

Only decent post, IMHO, and on the second page (surprise, surprise)

Originally Posted by Mhz

Yes they have to settle their own differences first and then fight the enemies united. The thing that makes them weak is their own religious shit that they cant take care of. Shia says Sunnis are wrong, Sunnis say Shias are wrong and on top of that the fokwit Wahabis say all are wrong. How can they prosper and make a diiference if they cant sort out their own differences?

These differences give the fokwits and uneducated mullahs a good deal of a chance to stirr shit up and use them as pawns to get their own interests in the name of religion.

This thread and the posters on it is a microcosm of the attitudes of the Palestinian - Israli conflict.
Each side throwing up examples of atrocities. Each side unwilling to concede that a point put by the "other side" might be valid.
The reason this is such an intractable dispute is that BOTH sides have legitimate grievances. Atrocities have been commited by BOTH sides.

The palestinians have been badly let down by their leaders. In the early seventies the Israelis were willing to retreat to the pre-1967 borders. Yassa Arafat refused, yet this condition is now being sought by the Palestinians. A lost opportunity.

On the Israeli side, they are dishing out disproportionate punishment and collective punishment (Lebanon and demolishment of houses).
It used to be that the Israelis were the constructive ones when seeking peace and the Palestinians the intransigent ones. Now the Israelis are intransigent too. Any Israeli government, to stay in power must take into account the far right religious extremist parties.
Practical solutions to peace are being subordinated to politics on both sides.
The Americans are not seen as an unbiased mediator and the EU continues to sit on it's hands.
If all parties were commited to peace and willing to make compromises, ignore political pressures from self-interested minorities, then peace would happen. It's the average Joe public on both sides that I feel sorry for.

Hootad Binky.
Please do not take snippets of my posts and quote them out of context. That is deliberately misleading.