What makes terrorists?

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:38 PM

I disagree. It's justified in some ways and we are all potential terrorists. Yes it's a desperate measure, but no more cowardly than hi-tech bombers dropping a nuke or thousands of bombs on civilians (Japan, Germany, Iraq)

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:40 PM

Question to the Anti-Terrorist crowd:

what if the US was invaded by China and half your country surrendered ? what would you do ? cooperate with the Chinese ? or go underground ?

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 09:40 PM

Collateral damages happens in war. But to use women and children as human shields and/or to kill them by terriorist activities with no regard for their life is evil and wrong.

**KID** · 19-10-2006, 09:42 PM

^ your a fukin idiot buttfly-- yes Israel attacked first on the 7 day war but who has been the aggressor as of late???

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

But to use women and children as human shields and/or to kill them by terriorist activities with no regard for their life is evil and wrong.

They all become human shields when some troops are deliberately targetting civilians. How about lifting the embargo on the Palestinian importation of weapons and let them sort military with Israel ?

**KID** · 19-10-2006, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Question to the Anti-Terrorist crowd:

what if the US was invaded by China and half your country surrendered ? what would you do ? cooperate with the Chinese ? or go underground ?

It will never happen-- TO MANY ARMED CITIZENS HERE IN THE STATES

would the Chinese be bringing along their wife and kids so we could suicide bomb them??? didn't think so-- so any aggression toward the invaders would be strictly MILITARY TARGETS and would be normal acts of warfare

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by KID

but who has been the aggressor as of late???

Israel ? why you ask such a silly question ?

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Question to the Anti-Terrorist crowd:

what if the US was invaded by China and half your country surrendered ? what would you do ? cooperate with the Chinese ? or go underground ?

What would be gained by killing their women and children? Be a man, go kill the men who invaded your country. Yes working from the underground is one way to do it.

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by KID

It will never happen-- TO MANY ARMED CITIZENS HERE IN THE STATES

and that would stop them from surrendering ? what if the Chinese nuke a city as an example of not surrendering your weapons ?

and you failed to answer the original question ? what would you be ? collaborator or terrorist freedom fighter ?

**mad_dog** · 19-10-2006, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by mad_dog

In Israel military service is mandatory for men and women, Israelis pay taxes to fund the distruction of the Palestinians and occupation of surrounding countries, the vast majority of Israelis support the systematic degredation of the Palestinain people. In essence Israel is a militarised society this means that all Israelis are legitimate targets. Hamas, the Al Aqsa Martyyrs Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, FATAH and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are all valid resistance movements.

So you believe a Palestinain who blows himself up to kill Israelis is justified, even tho he kills say a half-dozen innocent Isralie children?

Is an Israeli pilot who drops defective US Vietnam era cluster bombs on Southern Lebanon in the last 24 hours of conflict trying to kill Hesbollah fighters or Lebanese women and children? The idea that if a sovereign state commits politcal violence it is always legitmate and if a people that don't have a sovereign state commit poltical violence it is always illigitimate is ridiculous. People have a right to defend themselves.

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Question to the Anti-Terrorist crowd:

what if the US was invaded by China and half your country surrendered ? what would you do ? cooperate with the Chinese ? or go underground ?

Surrender - Sorry Butterfly - not an american word.

**Little Chuchok** · 19-10-2006, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by mad_dog

In Israel military service is mandatory for men and women, Israelis pay taxes to fund the distruction of the Palestinians and occupation of surrounding countries, the vast majority of Israelis support the systematic degredation of the Palestinain people. In essence Israel is a militarised society this means that all Israelis are legitimate targets. Hamas, the Al Aqsa Martyyrs Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, FATAH and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are all valid resistance movements.

So you believe a Palestinain who blows himself up to kill Israelis is justified, even tho he kills say a half-dozen innocent Isralie children?

Is an Israeli pilot who drops defective US Vietnam era cluster bombs on Southern Lebanon in the last 24 hours of conflict trying to kill Hesbollah fighters or Lebanese women and children? The idea that if a sovereign state commits politcal violence it is always legitmate and if a people that don't have a sovereign state commit poltical violence it is always illigitimate is ridiculous. People have a right to defend themselves.

So two wrongs make a right.So you are saying that it is ok to kill innocent children?

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

What would be gained by killing their women and children? Be a man, go kill the men who invaded your country. Yes working from the underground is one way to do it.

ok you answered partially, so let's see what happens next. So you go underground, you are losing battles, the invaders is getting stronger, and you are running out of options. In terms of military assets, you can't compete, your military actions have no effect, because too small. What's the next step ?

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Surrender - Sorry Butterfly - not an american word.

you are dodging the questions like kerux

Be a man, answer it

**KID** · 19-10-2006, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by KID

but who has been the aggressor as of late???

Israel ? why you ask such a silly question ?

I see, so all those missiles that hessbollah fired into Israel before Israel attacked back were ???? MADE OF CANDY AND PRESENTS FOR THE KIDS???

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ceburat

What would be gained by killing their women and children? Be a man, go kill the men who invaded your country. Yes working from the underground is one way to do it.

ok you answered partially, so let's see what happens next. So you go underground, you are losing battles, the invaders is getting stronger, and you are running out of options. In terms of military assets, you can't compete, your military actions have no effect, because too small. What's the next step ?

Continue the fight and continue it to the death. But there is no sense or way to win by killing women and children.

**Thetyim** · 19-10-2006, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

and you failed to answer the original question ? what would you be ? collaborator or terrorist freedom fighter ?

That's a fair question.
Answers please.

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ceburat

Surrender - Sorry Butterfly - not an american word.

you are dodging the questions like kerux

Be a man, answer it

Man don't you know comparing someone to Kerus can get you killed.

**KID** · 19-10-2006, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ceburat

Surrender - Sorry Butterfly - not an american word.

you are dodging the questions like kerux

Be a man, answer it

EVEN IF GORILLA WARFARE WAS USED-- IT WOULD BE TOWARD MILITARY TARGETS AND NOT INNOCENT CIVILIANS

THAT THE WHOLE POINT BUTTFLY--- YOU STUPID OR WHAT????

**mad_dog** · 19-10-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by mad_dog

In Israel military service is mandatory for men and women, Israelis pay taxes to fund the distruction of the Palestinians and occupation of surrounding countries, the vast majority of Israelis support the systematic degredation of the Palestinain people. In essence Israel is a militarised society this means that all Israelis are legitimate targets. Hamas, the Al Aqsa Martyyrs Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, FATAH and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are all valid resistance movements.

So you believe a Palestinain who blows himself up to kill Israelis is justified, even tho he kills say a half-dozen innocent Isralie children?

Is an Israeli pilot who drops defective US Vietnam era cluster bombs on Southern Lebanon in the last 24 hours of conflict trying to kill Hesbollah fighters or Lebanese women and children? The idea that if a sovereign state commits politcal violence it is always legitmate and if a people that don't have a sovereign state commit poltical violence it is always illigitimate is ridiculous. People have a right to defend themselves.

So two wrongs make a right.So you are saying that it is ok to kill innocent children?

In the recent Lebanon-Israel conflict around 1200 Lebanese were killed, mainly civilians. 150 Israelis were killed, mainly soldiers. In the last 6 months over 200 Gazans have been killed compared to two Israeli soldiers.

If the bias of the United Nations, the international media and your own ignorance can make you believe that the Israelis are the innocent victims then you will believe anything.

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Continue the fight and continue it to the death. But there is no sense or way to win by killing women and children.

Actually, technically I agree with you here. But you are not fighting for your personal "principles" or morals, but for a greater cause, the liberation of the USA. The American public, what is left of it, depends on you. Are you just going to give up on them and die ?

**Sir Burr** · 19-10-2006, 09:56 PM

The fact is, is that terrorism works. The master of a democracy at war is public opinion. Eventually, the voting public get tired of the bloodshed and the body-bags coming home, they see no progress being made, and in the end, they force their government to find another solution by showing disapproval in the ratings (usually taken before an election). This is the stage that the USA is just entering.
The IRA, ETA and the Vietnamese all used this strategem successfully.
The jews used it against the British too, also successfully.

There is a small book written in 1965 by a Robert Taber called War of the Flea which is still taught at military academies around the world.
The description below is what it is about. Sound familiar?

"Analogically, the guerrilla fights the war of the flea, and his military enemy suffers the dog's disadvantages. too much to defend, too small, ubiquitous, and agile an enemy to come to grips with. If the war continues long enough--this is the theory--the dog succumbs to exhaustion and anemia without ever having found anything on which to close its jaws or to rake with its claws".

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Originally Posted by Butterfly

and you failed to answer the original question ? what would you be ? collaborator or terrorist freedom fighter ?

That's a fair question.
Answers please.

Freedom fighters do not have to kill women and children. I would fight from the underground to death, but I would not kill innocent people.

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by KID

I see, so all those missiles that hessbollah fired into Israel before Israel attacked back were ???? MADE OF CANDY AND PRESENTS FOR THE KIDS???

Have you been watching too much Faux news again KID ? put down that remote and learn something, go outside, look at the trees and watch the birds sing.

**Butterfly** · 19-10-2006, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Freedom fighters do not have to kill women and children. I would fight from the underground to death, but I would not kill innocent people.

well, that's very noble of you, and that probably makes you a better person for not doing it, but a greater cause is at stake here, it goes beyond your personal choice. So what would it be ? survive with maximum casualties for the cause, or just a slow and quiet death with no success ?

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