Thread: What makes terrorists?

So tell me all what would be the reaction of UNCLE SAM if the Arabs would be doing all this to the Israelis??

In the last six months 100 Gazans have been murdered for every Israeli solider killed.

Nah Maddy they are doing it because their Rabbi said " one million Arabs are not worth one jewish fingernail"

Yea but the Arabs shouldn't be in Palestine because the land was given to the jews by God himself, they've even got a book to prove it.

Are you serious Keebone??

Truly horrifying pictures..but, I'm sure the Israelis could come up with shockers of their own.
How to break the cycle of violence. That is the key question.

Well Sir Burr whatever happend to the Jews during world war 2 is something really bad and I personally feel sorry for that. It shouldn't have happened and it should never happen again. Ever watched the movie "The Pianist"?

Now I know movies are not a good source but still it made me feel really bad for the Jews.

I've seen The Pianist, good film but a shame it was made by a paedophile.

You need to remove those horrible pics from this thread. This is insane and it doesn't prove your point to those who support blindly Israel.

Truely horrific, please remove them. They just re-inforce what we know already.

I respect your passion, Mhz, but please don't post this sort of pics again. Not everyone wants to look at them, and people complain about it.
Just post a link - I've edited your post accordingly.

That applies to others, too. A link to pics of gore is fine, please don't post the actual pics.

If this seems too long don't bother reading it, just respond.


MYTH:

One million Palestinians were expelled by Israel from 1947-49.


FACT

The Palestinians left their homes in 1947-49 for a variety of reasons. Thousands of wealthy Arabs left in anticipation of a war, thousands more responded to Arab leaders' calls to get out of the way of the advancing armies, but most simply fled to avoid being caught in the cross fire of a battle, amid the urging of their own leaders.



MYTH

Palestinians were the only people who became refugees as a result of the Arab-Israeli conflict.


FACT

Although much is heard about the plight of the Palestinian refugees, little is said about the Jews who fled from Arab states. Their situation had long been precarious. During the 1947 UN debates, Arab leaders threatened them. For example, Egypt's delegate told the General Assembly: "The lives of one million Jews in Muslim countries would be jeopardized by partition.

The number of Jews fleeing Arab countries for Israel in the years following Israel's independence was nearly double the number of Arabs leaving Palestine. Many Jews were allowed to take little more than the shirts on their backs. These refugees had no desire to be repatriated. Little is heard about them because they did not remain refugees for long. Of the 820,000 Jewish refugees between 1948 and 1972, 586,000 were resettled in Israel at great expense, and without any offer of compensation from the Arab governments who confiscated their possessions. Israel has consequently maintained that any agreement to compensate the Palestinian refugees must also include Arab compensationreparations for Jewish refugees. To this day, the Arab states have refused to pay anything compensation to the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were forced to abandon their property before fleeing those countries. Through November 2003, 101 of the 681 UN resolutions on the Middle East conflict referred directly to Palestinian refugees. Not one mentioned the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

The contrast between the reception of Jewish and Palestinian refugees is even starker when one considers the difference in cultural and geographic dislocation experienced by the two groups. Most Jewish refugees traveled hundreds and some traveled thousands of miles to a tiny country with no guarantee of entry, and whose inhabitants spoke a different language. Most Arab refugees never left Palestine at all; they traveled a few miles to the other side of the truce line, remaining inside the vast Arab nation that they were part of linguistically, culturally and ethnically.



MYTH

The Jews created the refugee problem by expelling the Palestinians.


FACT

Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee. An independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel. The responsibility for the refugee problem rests with the Arab leaders, both during the period 1947-1949, and since.

The beginning of the Arab exodus can be traced to the weeks immediately following the announcement of the UN partition resolution. The first to leave were roughly 30,000 wealthy Arabs who anticipated the upcoming war and fled to neighboring Arab countries to await its end. Less affluent Arabs from the mixed cities of Palestine moved to all-Arab towns to stay with relatives or friends. By the end of January 1948, the exodus was so alarming that the Palestine Arab Higher Committee asked neighboring Arab countries to refuse visas to these refugees and to seal their borders against them.

On January 30, 1948, the (Arab) Jaffa newspaper, Ash Sh'a'ab, reported: "The first of our fifth-column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere....At the first signs of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle."

Another (Arab) Jaffa paper, As Sarih (March 30, 1948) excoriated Arab villagers near Tel Aviv for "bringing down disgrace on us all by 'abandoning the villages.'"

Meanwhile, a leader of the Arab National Committee in Haifa, Hajj Nimer el-Khatib, said Arab soldiers in Jaffa were mistreating the residents. "They robbed individuals and homes. Life was of little value, and the honor of women was defiled. This state of affairs led many [Arab] residents to leave the city under the protection of British tanks."

John Bagot Glubb, the commander of Jordan's Arab Legion, said: "Villages were frequently abandoned even before they were threatened by the progress of war."

Contemporary press reports of major battles in which large numbers of Arabs fled conspicuously fail to mention any forcible expulsion by the Jewish forces. The Arabs are usually described as "fleeing" or "evacuating" their homes. While Zionists are accused of "expelling and dispossessing" the Arab inhabitants of such towns as Tiberias and Haifa, the truth is much different. Both of those cities were within the boundaries of the Jewish State under the UN partition scheme and both were fought for by Jews and Arabs alike.

Syria's UN delegate, Faris el-Khouri, interrupted the UN debate on Palestine to describe the seizure of Haifa as a "massacre" and said this action was "further evidence that the 'Zionist program' is to annihilate Arabs within the Jewish state if partition is effected."

The following day, however, the British representative at the UN, Sir Alexander Cadogan, told the delegates that the fighting in Haifa had been provoked by the continuous attacks by Arabs against Jews a few days before and that reports of massacres and deportations were erroneous.

The U.S. Consul-General in Haifa, Aubrey Lippincott, wrote on April 22, 1948, for example, that "local mufti-dominated Arab leaders" were urging "all Arabs to leave the city, and large numbers did so."



MYTH

The Arab invasion had little impact on the Palestinian Arabs.


FACT

Once the invasion began in May 1948, most Arabs remaining in Palestine left for neighboring countries. Surprisingly, rather than acting as a strategically valuable "fifth-column" that would fight the Jews from within the country, the Palestinians chose to flee to the safety of the other Arab states, still confident of being able to return. A leading Palestinian nationalist of the time, Musa Alami, revealed the attitude of the fleeing Arabs:

The Arabs of Palestine left their homes, were scattered, and lost everything. But there remained one solid hope: The Arab armies were on the eve of their entry into Palestine to save the country and return things to their normal course, punish the aggressor, and throw oppressive Zionism with its dreams and dangers into the sea. On May 14, 1948, crowds of Arabs stood by the roads leading to the frontiers of Palestine, enthusiastically welcoming the advancing armies. Days and weeks passed, sufficient to accomplish the sacred mission, but the Arab armies did not save the country. They did nothing but let slip from their hands Acre, Sarafand, Lydda, Ramleh, Nazareth, most of the south and the rest of the north. Then hope fled.

The [refugee] problem was a direct consequence of the war that the Palestinians - and surrounding Arab states - had launched." - Israeli historian Benny Morris
For those unfamiliar, Benny Morris is an Israeli historian well loved by pillars of Islamic society, such as Naom Chomshy and Edward Said, for his one-sidedness - against Israel.

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:
"Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return."



MYTH

Arab leaders never encouraged the Palestinians to flee.


FACT

A plethora of evidence exists to demonstrate clearly that Palestinians were encouraged to leave their homes to make way for the invading Arab armies.

The Economist, a frequent critic of the Zionists, reported on October 2, 1948: "Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit. It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."

Time's report of the battle for Haifa (May 3, 1948) was similar: "The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by orders of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city. By withdrawing Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa."

Benny Morris, the historian who documented instances where Palestinians were expelled, also found that Arab leaders encouraged their brethren to leave. Starting in December 1947, he said, "Arab officers ordered the complete evacuation of specific villages in certain areas, lest their inhabitants 'treacherously' acquiesce in Israeli rule or hamper Arab military deployments." He concluded, "There can be no exaggerating the importance of these arly Arab-initiated evacuations in the demoralization, and eventual exodus, of the remaining rural and urban populations."

Morris also said that in early May units of the Arab Legion ordered the evacuation of all women and children from the town of Beisan. The Arab Liberation Army was also reported to have ordered the evacuation of another village south of Haifa. The departure of the women and children, Morris says, "tended to sap the morale of the menfolk who were left behind to guard the homes and fields, contributing ultimately to the final evacuation of villages. Such two-tier evacuation --- women and children first, the men following weeks later --- occurred in Qumiya in the Jezreel Valley, among the Awarna bedouin in Haifa Bay and in various other places."

The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: "Any opposition to this order...is an obstacle to the holy war...and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts." The Arab Higher Committee also ordered the evacuation of "several dozen villages, as well as the removal of dependents from dozens more" in April-July 1948. "The invading Arab armies also occasionally ordered whole villages to depart, so as not to be in their way."

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave: "Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return."

Who gave such orders? Leaders such as Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, who declared: "We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down."

The Secretary of the Arab League Office in London, Edward Atiyah, wrote in his book, The Arabs: "This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boastings of an unrealistic Arabic press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to reenter and retake possession of their country."

"The refugees were confident their absence would not last long, and that they would return within a week or two," Monsignor George Hakim, a Greek Orthodox Catholic Bishop of Galilee told the Beirut newspaper, Sada al-Janub (August 16, 1948). "Their leaders had promised them that the Arab Armies would crush the 'Zionist gangs' very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile."

On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station (Cyprus) said: "It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem."

According to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949): "The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."

One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: "The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in."

"The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade," said Habib Issa in the New York Lebanese paper, Al Hoda (June 8, 1951). "He pointed out that they were already on the frontiers and that all the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean. Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down."

Even Jordan's King Abdullah, writing in his memoirs, blamed Palestinian leaders for the refugee problem: "The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue."

"The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live." - Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen)

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The situation grew even worse in the wake of the 1991 Gulf War. Kuwait, which employed large numbers of Palestinians but denied them citizenship, expelled more than 300,000 of them. "If people pose a security threat, as a sovereign country we have the right to exclude anyone we don't want," said Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, Saud Nasir Al-Sabah.

Little has changed in succeeding years. Arab governments have frequently offered jobs, housing, land and other benefits to Arabs and non-Arabs, whilst notably excluding Palestinians. For example, Saudi Arabia chose not to use unemployed Palestinian refugees to alleviate its labor shortage in the late 1970's and early 1980's. Instead, thousands of South Koreans and other Asians were recruited to fill jobs.


"The Arab States do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die." - former UNRWA, Ralph Galloway, August 1958

Amazing, it took around 100 posts on this thread for somebody to dare mention that the root cause of Islamic terrorism is not Palestine, the US support for Israel or Western decadence, but surprise surprise, radical Islam!

Islamic terrorism has little to do with the revisionist hoaxes accepted as historical fact if not doctrine by Islam, assisted by disillusioned, trendy academic non-Islamic intellectuals and lib/left/looney bandwagoneers who so desperately need to feel they are doing their bit towards the betterment of humanity that they are unable or refuse to recognise the threat posed by radical Islam to civilisation and the freedoms so many people, they included, profess to be willing to die for.

One thing this thread has done, though, and for which decent people should be grateful, is identify clearly and with little room for manouevre other than the usual manipulated denial, the infidels who appear to be so easily seduced by alternative concepts and so yearn for the downfall of their imperfect Western societies that they eagerly embrace the opportunity to first mitigate, and then unashamedly glorify unbridled terrorism.

These and their type should be reviled by those who are concerned for Western civilisation as we know it, warts and all, against the scourge, and conversely revered by the scourge for propaganda usage. Sadly, the one thing they have is complacency brought about by affluence, that major advances will likely not happen in their own lifetime, with little regard for the curses that may be issued by future generations, which one imagines will include their own children, and theirs.

Great post. Very good information. Can you give me the reference for the article so I can read more?

What makes a terrorist?
Here is the answer!

You might also want to ask yourself "Do they love their children like the Isralies love theirs?
You might want to ask yourself also "Do these people, who treat their children like this, relay want peace in the ME?
Mhz , pictures of war are never good to see. These picture speak a different laguage which you might not want to understand. I will give you a nit noi hint.....it has something to do with "LOVE".

Good post Keda.

I forgot my link
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Ohhh I forgot....How can anybody ask of Israel to respect the U.N. or Human Rights Issue when the Palestianians or Arabs don't EVEN GIVE THE SAME RIGHTS TO THEIR CHILDREN ........AND WOMEN!

I don't understand what children's rights in Arab countries have to do with UN resolutions and Israel?

Getting a bit carried away here, Herman?

Btw, this is what I feared would happen: this topic is not a picture context. OK, this isn't gore, but please post just a few sample picture and give a link for those who want to see the others as well in future.
Thanks.

Teaching children to hate.

Teaching children to fight.

Adults wondering why there is war's.

Oh well, Maybe someday the world will wake up.

Hermanthegerman and Kada - you guy's are right on. Great post, both of them.

Seems there is no excaping the misery of was.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Teaching children to hate.

Teaching children to fight.

Adults wondering why there is war's.

Oh well, Maybe someday the world will wake up.

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And that goes for both sides.

Above Story not complete and taken from BBC News

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran warns of revenge over Israel

published: 20 Oct 06 12:26:37 GMT

...This regime, thanks to God, has lost the reason for its existence.

Which was its reason for existence, ceburat, and how has it lost it?

And which God do you mean here?

Btw, the thread has been drifting off-topic for a while, we do have an Iran-Israel thread from a while back.

Originally Posted by stroller

...This regime, thanks to God, has lost the reason for its existence.

Which was its reason for existence, ceburat, and how has it lost it?

And which God do you mean here?

Btw, the thread has been drifting off-topic for a while, we do have an Iran-Israel thread from a while back.

Which ever God Pres.Iran was referring to in his comments. I only copied part of the story and provided the ref for those interested in the whole story.

Yes there is a lot of information here by me and other, that is not directly related to what Macha started when he started this thread. However, I believe it relates to it well. All IMO of course.