Thread: What makes terrorists?

Originally Posted by Ceburat

How can we live at peace with people who think like that. That why I said before TIME FOR WAR.

Do you know what you are sayng ceburat??

This shows how tolerant and peaceful person you are. As I said earlier use your brain and proper resources not the media to judge 1.4+ billion people on the planet.

Originally Posted by Macha

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by KID

WHY DO YOU ALL STILL EXPECT THE MUSLIMS TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH JEWS??

wasn't 1 ass woopin enough??? might as well go ahead and play nice for your own sake

1 ass woopin was not enough for them. They need more.

Muslims cannot live in peace with the rest of the world. All muslims, whether active or inactive are as christians, active or inactive, they all go by their holy book. The koran teaches muslims to kill anyone who will not join them and they believe by killing us they go to heaven. How can we live at peace with people who think like that. That why I said before TIME FOR WAR.

Ahem I don't want to get into Muslim / Christian / Jew argument. I started the thread with good faith. My point was "what makes terrorists". I didn't mention anything about any religion if I'm not wrong. I don't see any reason for this thread turning into Muslim Vs Christian / Jew match.

And Ceburat you're wrong mate. Quran doesn't allow killings. There's a verse that says "fight those who drove you out of your houses but if they seek peace, be peaceful to them." Please try to find out a little bit about history of the verse before you accuse us Muslims.

Salam o Alaikum

You may not want to get into religion, but you cannot separate terrorist activities from Islam. Without islamic beliefs we would have no terrorist. How many non-Islamics do you see walking around blowing up innocent people. You disagree of course. Please spell out your proof so I can check it out.

You want to talk love and peace. You want every one to believe it. Great if it were true. Show me the proof.

Have you ever see a white man from the west walk into a Muslim Business place and blow himself up killing many women and children. Only Islamics do that.

You are right. We don't have to discuss Islam,Christianity,The Jewish Religion. But if a so called religion is the cause of terrorist, then we need to discuss that. That means religion is on this thread.

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by Ceburat

How can we live at peace with people who think like that. That why I said before TIME FOR WAR.

Do you know what you are sayng ceburat??

This shows how tolerant and peaceful person you are. As I said earlier use your brain and proper resources not the media to judge 1.4+ billion people on the planet.

I know exactly what I am saying. You call the west tolerant and peaceful if they will bend over and take it up the rear. How about accepting that we think different then you and can still live in peace, side by side. That is if terrorist would quit trying to kill every one.

Macha - I just went back and read your original post. Your opinion of a terrorist is born is my opinion of some one thinking that two wrongs equal a right. If that's the case you, Butterfly, Mz and a few others should all be in agreement with me -ITS TIME FOR WAR.

[quote=stroller;[/quote]Seems like there is a fair bit of highly selective reading and interpreting from the Koran going on here - sure you're not just parroting from some neo-con blog or similar?

Are you muslim?

Have you read, studied the Koran?

Where does your knowledge on this subject come from?

Your attitude is frightening, Ceburat.

How about you accepting that others think different then you without labelling them terrorists and calling for war?

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Macha

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by KID

WHY DO YOU ALL STILL EXPECT THE MUSLIMS TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH JEWS??

wasn't 1 ass woopin enough??? might as well go ahead and play nice for your own sake

1 ass woopin was not enough for them. They need more.

Muslims cannot live in peace with the rest of the world. All muslims, whether active or inactive are as christians, active or inactive, they all go by their holy book. The koran teaches muslims to kill anyone who will not join them and they believe by killing us they go to heaven. How can we live at peace with people who think like that. That why I said before TIME FOR WAR.

Ahem I don't want to get into Muslim / Christian / Jew argument. I started the thread with good faith. My point was "what makes terrorists". I didn't mention anything about any religion if I'm not wrong. I don't see any reason for this thread turning into Muslim Vs Christian / Jew match.

And Ceburat you're wrong mate. Quran doesn't allow killings. There's a verse that says "fight those who drove you out of your houses but if they seek peace, be peaceful to them." Please try to find out a little bit about history of the verse before you accuse us Muslims.

Salam o Alaikum

You may not want to get into religion, but you cannot separate terrorist activities from Islam. Without islamic beliefs we would have no terrorist. How many non-Islamics do you see walking around blowing up innocent people. You disagree of course. Please spell out your proof so I can check it out.

You want to talk love and peace. You want every one to believe it. Great if it were true. Show me the proof.

Have you ever see a white man from the west walk into a Muslim Business place and blow himself up killing many women and children. Only Islamics do that.

You are right. We don't have to discuss Islam,Christianity,The Jewish Religion. But if a so called religion is the cause of terrorist, then we need to discuss that. That means religion is on this thread.

The same way I can ask questions such as:

Have you, lately, seen any Muslim country invading another country and killing indiscriminately? The answer is No. Unfortunately, only western armies do that.

The Quran is no different from the Bible so to speak. The only difference is that the Quran has not been edited since the beginning where as the Bible has been edited thousands of times.

Originally Posted by stroller

Your attitude is frightening, Ceburat.

How about you accepting that others think different then you without labelling them terrorists and calling for war?

I think it is your attitude that is frightening.

I accept that most people in this world disagree with me on many things including religion. I don't call for war on them or talk bad about them.

I do differ with people who are or believe in terrorist activities and try to justify them by blaming all of the causes of their problems on Israel or on the west. I do call for war against them.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Are you muslim?

Have you read, studied the Koran?

Where does your knowledge on this subject come from?

I have lived in Muslim neighbourhoods in different countries throughout my adulthood, and on behalf of the people I got to know, I object to the frequent stereotyping and demonising of Islam and its followers.

I know the Koran only from having followed discussions in various forums - occasionally you'll find Muslims defending their faiths and posting Sutras people like yourself blissfully manage to ignore.

I could not participate to any depth in a discussion of the contend of the Koran (nor any 'holy' book), but it's enough to judge that your view is very biased.

Noone ever tried to convert me or threatened me in any way.

If you just concentrate from the outside on media coverage of the IRA terrorism, would you conclude that the Irish cannot live in peace with other people?

^^ You better meet me then. I'll definitely give you a psychological session which I guarantee would be beneficial for you.

[quote=Macha

Have you, lately, seen any Muslim country invading another country and killing indiscriminately? The answer is No. Unfortunately, only western armies do that.

I don't see them invading, but I do see them killing each other off like flys in Irak. Muslim killing Muslim.

Invading another country and killing indiscriminately - sure as hell sounds to me like what the leader of Iran wants with Isreal.

^^ That's my man. I was going to post about Tigers but maddie you're way too fast.

Originally Posted by ceburat

I accept that most people in this world disagree with me on many things including religion. I don't call for war on them or talk bad about them.

Yet, you talk bad about Islam and call for war against "them" - can you seperate out the 'terrorists' from the other people?

Is it acceptable to you to promote hatred against the followers of a religion and then call for war against countries they live in? Your comments certainly indicate that this is what you are doing. Generalising and stereotyping as a means to justify war and violence.

You're right there amongst the people you're against with your rhetoric!

ceburat, you are starting to show your true colors, as a muslim-hating religious zealot. I think you pretty much qualify as a terrorist sympathizer. I bet if it was Iran invading the USA, you will without doubt kill their women and children to protect your country.

Originally Posted by ceburat

That why I said before TIME FOR WAR.

So you are advocating some kind of religious crusade ? kill all living muslims ? could you live with that ? how should we do it ? nuke, death camps ? should Israel help ? oh the irony of all this, Israel committing a genocide the same way the Nazi did because they couldn't control the "jewish problem"

What you are advocating is mass murder, which put you on the same "moral" level as Stalin, Hitler and all the "great" men of this last century.

Surely, you don't mean it, and I am sure there is an explanation for such a radicale position.

I bet if it was Iran invading the USA, you will without doubt kill their women and children to protect your country.

...and you'll see yank kill yank, as the religious rightwingers would attempt to usurp power, establish a god-state and blow up all the liberal traitors.

^ actually, they would if they could get away with it. Given them a few more years and they will become what they hate the most: terrorists

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Other posters have given good examples of terrorist organizations that are not Muslim.
The suicide bombings in Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan against the West have nothing to do with religion.
Palestinians and Israelis = Land dispute.
Iraq and Afghanistan = Invasion by outsiders.
The only religious based terrorism I can see is in Iraq were the Sunnis and Shias are doing each other harm. This is more about power and which clan should have it.

Exactly!
When was the last time you heard of a Muslim terrorist asking a Westerner to convert to Islam before killing them?

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

The only religious based terrorism I can see is in Iraq were the Sunnis and Shias are doing each other harm. This is more about power and which clan should have it.

Spot on, religion is a secondary factor in the Iraqi sectarian violence. Much the same way as Nationalist/Loyalist violence in Ireland had a secondary Catholic/Protestant element. In both conflicts the primary cause of conflict is/was power,territory and resources.


Excellent post by Sir B.

Originally Posted by Macha

I have been thinking hard to find an answer to this question for a while now. I came up with some observations which I'd like to share and see if other posters agree.

After all, nobody gets out of bed one day and says, "I want to bomb a bus".

Just imagine if one day a foreign army invades your homeland and drives you and your family out of your home at gun point and tells you to leave with just the clothes on your back you and your parents and siblings are thrown out with nowhere to go. You wind up in a makeshift shelter on some barren hills and you have to scratch for your sustenance. Your mother alongwith siblings are crying. YOur father is frail and looks hopeless and your siblings are cold and scared everyday. Many other people in similar circumstances join you. They were all driven out of their homes by the foreign power. There's no water to drink, no sewers, no electricity, no schools and no doctors to help you or your parents / siblings. Imagine living in such conditions for years and growing up in squalor. Then think of how you would feel if you were not allowed to squalid camp without showing an identity card to the soldiers who surround your miserable tin-roof town. The humiliation would be over-whelming.

The only jobs you can find are working in lands that were seized from your parents years before. You labour in the fields and look at the shiny new houses on the land that had been in your family for generations. The people who live there were born in the West and have taken your land with no other excuse than, "God gave it to us". You're a second class citizen with no citizenship rights. Perhaps you join with some of your friends and decide to fight back to regain your land. The soldiers, however, are equipped with tanks and machine guns while all you have are stones or small arms. You lob rocks at the checkpoints in frustration while the soldiers gun down your friends mercilessly. If you get arrested, you are sent to a prison where you're legally tortured and held without trials for years.

Meanwhile, your baby sister has died of malnutrition, your uncle's land was recently seized, your cousin's house was bulldozed to the ground, the ramshackle schools are sealed shut, and chances for any kind of future looks grim. The soldiers laugh at you and you see on the side of suply boxes in the prision storeroom, the words "made in America". Your anger at the soldiers and their people is so great that you begin to transfer some of it to those who are supporting them.

The invaders bomb your whole neighbourhood, storm in your house and rape your 14 years old sister and then kill the whole family before tourching them. You have no one to go to, you're miserable and have no hope for justice. You don't have any army to fight the invaders, you don't have any hope of organised resistance. Then you think about how to exact retribution, and individual acts of violence such as bombings come to mind. Thus, a terrorist is born.

What a fine post.

Originally Posted by Macha;[/quote

Doubtless you're an ignorant person.

Only in your opinion.

You close you eyes when Israelies bomb the hell out of innocent kids, women and elderly.

Israelies bombed the hell out of Lebanon while the cowards used the women and children for protection. It is not the fault of Israel that Herzbolla fought like to cowards they are.

You ignore the bombs that kills thousands by Tamil Tigers. Fuck you even forgot the IRA bombings.

I don't follow all of the news so I admit that I don't know about the Tamil Tigers. I quit trying to keep up with the IRA years ago. It seemed like there was no end to their waring. I also don't keep up with much British news--I have no reason to. I live on the other side of the lake.

Why are Muslims killing each other? Ever thought about it? Yes I have. They are competely violent and ignorant. For sure it's not someone else's fault.

"Ignorant" is the word that would describe you best.

Thank you Macha

Originally Posted by Butterfly

ceburat, you are starting to show your true colors, as a muslim-hating religious zealot. I think you pretty much qualify as a terrorist sympathizer. I bet if it was Iran invading the USA, you will without doubt kill their women and children to protect your country.

I don't hate all muslim's. Hell there is even one in my family and many, over 50, are my friends. I do however hate muslims who want to destroy all of the west and what they believe in. I do hate muslims who want to kill and destroy all of Israel. I do hate muslims who are terrorists and kill innocent women and children. And, then they try to blame the west or Israel for all of their problems.

No not a zealot. Yes religious. Terrorist sympathized-either your dictionary is fucked up or mine is. I don't sympathize with terrorist, I want to see the world wake up and fight them.


How do you figure that by killing their women and children I would be protecting my country? Is this why you think being a terrorist is ok. You kill women and children to protect your country? to win wars? to prove a point? Man you are one sick person.