Cluster bombs

**mrsquirrel** · 22-08-2006, 06:17 AM

Watching the news this moring on BBC World. It was showing the civilian parts of Lebanon which were shelled in the last 48hours of the fighting. During that time the Israelies fired tank shells filled with cluster bombs over the civilians houses.

The civilians are now comiing back to find that their houses have all these little bomblets scattered around them.

It is illegal to use cluster bombs in civiliian areas, because it kills innocents even after the war is over.

So who is going to punish the Isrealies for breaking these rules of conflict and putting innocent civilians at risk?

Fears over cluster bomb clean-up

The unexploded bomblets are the size of a drinks can

Clearing unexploded Israeli cluster bombs from southern Lebanon could take 12 months, the head of the UN weapons clearance team there has told the BBC. Chris Clark, head of the UN Mine Action Service in southern Lebanon, said 22 people have been injured, but none killed, while handling live munitions.
"Bomblets" have already been found at 30 locations, but Mr Clark said he expected a final total of over 100.
Israel says all munitions it uses in conflict comply with international law.
But the New York-based group Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of acting outside the rules of war by firing cluster bombs into civilian areas.
Critics of cluster bombs say the relatively high numbers of unexploded bomblets can kill and maim long after conflict has ended.
All Israeli cluster bombs found in southern Lebanon were contained in artillery shells, the UN said, and were not dropped from planes overhead.
Lengthy task
Speaking to the BBC from Tyre, southern Lebanon, Mr Clark said UN mine clearance teams had inspected just 40% of sites known to have been hit by Israeli munitions during the recent conflict with Hezbollah.

There is a whole new problem here

Chris Clark
UN Mine Action Service, southern Lebanon

"The picture is still emerging at the moment, but there is a general spread of these munitions throughout southern Lebanon," Mr Clark said.
The Mine Action Service had a presence in southern Lebanon long before this year's fighting, clearing mines and unexploded ordnance from previous conflicts.
But Mr Clark said the aftermath of the recent fighting had to take precedence over the search for mines laid during Israel's 18-year occupation of southern Lebanon.
"Now there is a whole new problem here. In terms of the new problem I would like to think that we could get it under control in six months and complete clearance in 12 months."
Legality questioned
Thousands of Lebanese have been returning to their homes to inspect damage caused by Israeli air strikes and clashes on the ground between Israeli troops and Hezbollah fighters.

Dense sandbags are used to dispose of unexploded bomblets

Mine clearing teams in the area, as well as Human Rights Watch, have warned of the dangers of casualties as people clear rubble from homes and roads.
Mr Clark hopes further casualties can be minimised by telling people to stay away from the bomblets, which resemble the bulky batteries often used in torches.
The director of Human Rights Watch, Kenneth Roth, has warned that cluster bombs with high failure rates "effectively become anti-personnel landmines", and that their use in civilian areas breaks a legal ban on indiscriminate attacks.
In response, the Israeli military told the BBC: "All the weapons and munitions used by the Israel Defence Forces are legal under international law and their use conforms to international standards."

**Donleavy** · 22-08-2006, 07:57 AM

The same people who will punish both the British and American armed forces for dropping them on civilian areas in every conflict since the first Gulf War. After they land, a percentage of them is not meant to explode. They, effectively become land mines placed in civilian areas. Both the British and American forces have signed treaties saying they will never place land mines.

It's a joke. Thanks for raising it. I get a warm, fuzzy comfort to know that two such moral and upstanding Christians as Blair and Bush are practising what they preach.

**benbaaa** · 22-08-2006, 08:20 AM

Maybe the Americans will help to clean up, after all they're American bombs. Oh, sorry I forgot, the American are still busy cleaning up Cambodia.

**man with no head** · 22-08-2006, 08:50 AM

Funny thing is in America if a person gives another person a gun and the shooter is caught then the first person can be charged with a crime.

If the U.S. gave these munitions to Israel then both the U.S. and Israel should be held accountable however possible.

These kinds of actions by Israel's government disgust the hell out of me and gives those who oppose Israel (and the U.S. and Britain) more legitimacy in their campaign against the West.

Regarding the legality: currently there exists no ban internationally on them, and, NATO/USA support the use of them (USA used them in Afghanistan and Iraq).

**Mhz** · 22-08-2006, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

Watching the news this moring on BBC World. It was showing the civilian parts of Lebanon which were shelled in the last 48hours of the fighting. During that time the Israelies fired tank shells filled with cluster bombs over the civilians houses.

The civilians are now comiing back to find that their houses have all these little bomblets scattered around them.

It is illegal to use cluster bombs in civiliian areas, because it kills innocents even after the war is over.

So who is going to punish the Isrealies for breaking these rules of conflict and putting innocent civilians at risk?

Fears over cluster bomb clean-up

The unexploded bomblets are the size of a drinks can

Clearing unexploded Israeli cluster bombs from southern Lebanon could take 12 months, the head of the UN weapons clearance team there has told the BBC. Chris Clark, head of the UN Mine Action Service in southern Lebanon, said 22 people have been injured, but none killed, while handling live munitions.
"Bomblets" have already been found at 30 locations, but Mr Clark said he expected a final total of over 100.
Israel says all munitions it uses in conflict comply with international law.
But the New York-based group Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of acting outside the rules of war by firing cluster bombs into civilian areas.
Critics of cluster bombs say the relatively high numbers of unexploded bomblets can kill and maim long after conflict has ended.
All Israeli cluster bombs found in southern Lebanon were contained in artillery shells, the UN said, and were not dropped from planes overhead.
Lengthy task
Speaking to the BBC from Tyre, southern Lebanon, Mr Clark said UN mine clearance teams had inspected just 40% of sites known to have been hit by Israeli munitions during the recent conflict with Hezbollah.

There is a whole new problem here

Chris Clark
UN Mine Action Service, southern Lebanon

"The picture is still emerging at the moment, but there is a general spread of these munitions throughout southern Lebanon," Mr Clark said.
The Mine Action Service had a presence in southern Lebanon long before this year's fighting, clearing mines and unexploded ordnance from previous conflicts.
But Mr Clark said the aftermath of the recent fighting had to take precedence over the search for mines laid during Israel's 18-year occupation of southern Lebanon.
"Now there is a whole new problem here. In terms of the new problem I would like to think that we could get it under control in six months and complete clearance in 12 months."
Legality questioned
Thousands of Lebanese have been returning to their homes to inspect damage caused by Israeli air strikes and clashes on the ground between Israeli troops and Hezbollah fighters.

Dense sandbags are used to dispose of unexploded bomblets

Mine clearing teams in the area, as well as Human Rights Watch, have warned of the dangers of casualties as people clear rubble from homes and roads.
Mr Clark hopes further casualties can be minimised by telling people to stay away from the bomblets, which resemble the bulky batteries often used in torches.
The director of Human Rights Watch, Kenneth Roth, has warned that cluster bombs with high failure rates "effectively become anti-personnel landmines", and that their use in civilian areas breaks a legal ban on indiscriminate attacks.
In response, the Israeli military told the BBC: "All the weapons and munitions used by the Israel Defence Forces are legal under international law and their use conforms to international standards."

Iam really very sure that Boon Mee,Eliminator and StoreKeeper are gonna come up with somthing like "Oh Hizbollah placed those bombs there and the media is biased and anit-Israel,they are showing this to give a bad name to Israel."

Anyways Iam ready for it.

**mrsquirrel** · 22-08-2006, 11:59 AM

it is illegal to use them in civilian areas.

military targets are ok.

**man with no head** · 22-08-2006, 01:00 PM

Yeah, boy, drag Israel's leaders to court and hang each and every one of them responsible:

Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Convention, 1977

The numbers of war crimes committed are countless.

**Wallace** · 31-08-2006, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Maybe the Americans will help to clean up, after all they're American bombs. Oh, sorry I forgot, the American are still busy cleaning up Cambodia.

Are they? Most of the clearance work is done by local volunteers and mainly UK charities. What about Laos? The USA provides a pocket full of change. They'll still be clearing land mines in Laos and Cambodia for the next 20 years. That's more than 50 YEARS of clearing up!

In Lebanon the unexploded ordnance from cluster bombs will take at least one year to clean up. There is no doubt that the Israelis acted illegally, and decided to cause as much shit as possible in the last few days before pulling out. Cowards and bastards, every one of them. (That's army leaders and politicians, not the average citizen.)

**NickA** · 31-08-2006, 11:04 AM

And I thought this was gonna be another Squirrel thread about turds!

**Wallace** · 31-08-2006, 11:08 AM

Actually, I wonder why they don't collect thousands of dog turds and dump them in civilian areas, too. Good deterrent.

**NickA** · 31-08-2006, 11:10 AM

^I've often thought It would be the thing I'd do if I ever had problems with a neighbour - just go around collecting dog turd then putting it on their car or letter box etc...

**Little Chuchok** · 31-08-2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Wallace

Actually, I wonder why they don't collect thousands of dog turds and dump them in civilian areas, too. Good deterrent.

Could use pig turds too

**NickA** · 31-08-2006, 11:22 AM

Human turds from people with strange digestive disorders

**attaboy** · 31-08-2006, 11:50 AM

The nastiest I've come across is pelican shit. A massive splatter of dead fish that was briefly worked on by a bird's gut. Believe me you don't want to be standing next to it.

**Storekeeper** · 31-08-2006, 12:01 PM

I hope Israel sues whatever company manufactured those things. I'm sure they were dropped right on Hezbollah terrorists and failed to detonate.

Now they're likely to kill innocent civilians and Israel will be unfairly blamed for it.

**Mhz** · 31-08-2006, 12:49 PM

What an injustice with the Jewish state.It almost reduced me to tears.

**NickA** · 31-08-2006, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mhz

t almost reduced me to tears.

Yep, that pelican shit will do that to you

**Boon Mee** · 31-08-2006, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Maybe the Americans will help to clean up, after all they're American bombs. Oh, sorry I forgot, the American are still busy cleaning up Cambodia.

Israel should have used a gallon or two of naphalm too...

"I love the smell of naphalm in the morning"!

**Propagator** · 31-08-2006, 08:27 PM

Israel dont seem to abide by any law. They are a law unto themselves only.

**man with no head** · 31-08-2006, 08:28 PM

That's what happens when you think you're the 'chosen ones.'

Means you get to do and act however you please without regard to those living around you.

**Boon Mee** · 31-08-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by surasak

That's what happens when you think you're the 'chosen ones.'

After a few thousand years of persecution and outright extermination, I don't blame 'em a bit.

**Mhz** · 31-08-2006, 08:33 PM

^
So does that give them the right to do what they feel like??

**man with no head** · 31-08-2006, 08:35 PM

Hasn't stopped them in the past, Hell, they even killed Jesus.

**Mhz** · 31-08-2006, 08:38 PM

Hell, they even killed Jesus.

Shhhhhh!

We are not allowed to say things like this on a public forum.

**man with no head** · 31-08-2006, 08:43 PM

Ooops.

<Monty Python> They can edit that out can't they?</Monty Python>

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