Sexuality And Religion.

[Ice Maiden]

Okay...

Way, way, way back in old times being gay/lesbian/bisexual was always thought of as wrong and you would probably get burnt on a wooden pole for the weekly entertainment and later on up the timeline psychologists thought of that sexual prefrence as an illness and tried to even "cure" the patient with such treatments as electric shocks.... (OUCH!)

But what my question really is, is that does all this disagreement/controversy stem from religion? Looking back many things do. Like Sunday being known as a day of rest and the other day I saw my mother throw some salt over her shoulder when she dropped some on the floor to keep the devil away. There are other things I have realised and witnessed but I cant come to think of them just now.

So if in the bible (okay I am refering to Christianity here as I dont know many facts about other religions...) being gay/lesbian/bisexual was said to be "OK" would we be living in a world where sexuality didn't really matter..? In a lot of the biblical films I have seen Jesus is seen to be affectionate toward the same sex in a more flexiable way with his deciples which may in this day and age be labeled as being "gay" though...

Would it be seen "right" in the old times to walk down the street hand in hand with a member of the same sex....?

Would we be living in a world where no one would question if two members of the same sex could be happily married and adopt children together as a family...?

I'm just curious to see your opinions on this TeakDoor.

Has religion shaped the way some people feel/behave toward sexuality today?

[Dougal]

We are the sum of our experiences.

[Ice Maiden]

It has me thinking though, are the people that title themselves "atheist" not really atheist because they live with the slight changes religion brought into this world..?

[obsidian]

judas was the only straight guy of the bunch

[MeMock]

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And how do you know that?

[benbaaa]

It has me thinking though, are the people that title themselves "atheist" not really atheist because they live with the slight changes religion brought into this world..?

I'm an atheist because I don't believe in the existence of any kind of god, Icy. Except pehaps Elvis Costello.

[raycarey]

of course relgion has shaped how society views sexuality.

i really can't understand why two people of the same sex can't be accepted as equal to a hetero couple.


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i dont' have enough faith to be an atheist. IMO it's less likely that there is no 'god''

[Butterfly]

I don't believe atheists exist. I think they are the equivalent of deceived lesbians.

[kerux]

i really can't understand why two people of the same sex can't be accepted as equal to a hetero couple.

Because it's a perversion, by created beings, of the intent of the Creator, and is nothing new. Homosexuality has been with us since Abraham's time.

There is nothing new under the sun.

[RandomChances]

Way, way, way back in old times being gay/lesbian/bisexual was always thought of as wrong and you would probably get burnt on a wooden pole for the weekly entertainment and later on up the timeline psychologists thought of that sexual prefrence as an illness and tried to even "cure" the patient with such treatments as electric shocks.... (OUCH!)

Way, way, way back in old times being gay/lesbian/bisexual was actualy not frowned on at all and widley practiced by most civilisations. Most were not what we would label "gay" rather swang both ways, it was'nt until the advent of "christian values" that it become frowned upon in the west and Islam in the east. I'm not sure what the early Jews thought of it.

So if in the bible (okay I am refering to Christianity here as I dont know many facts about other religions...) being gay/lesbian/bisexual was said to be "OK" would we be living in a world where sexuality didn't really matter..?

You only have to look at Thailand for an answer to that.

Would we be living in a world where no one would question if two members of the same sex could be happily married and adopt children together as a family...?

I have nothing against gay's getting married, once you take the religious crap out it's just a contract between two people. I'm not an advacate of gay's adopting though, personaly I belive that idealy childer shoud have male and female inflances in their live, so why let people adopt in less than optimum circumstances.

Has religion shaped the way some people feel/behave toward sexuality today?

Undoubtedly it has shaped the view of many.

I'm an atheist because I don't believe in the existence of any kind of god

Same here

[man with no head]

My views on sexuality have nothing to do with religion.

I wonder how many heterosexuals who oppose homosexuality would themselves be caught going in the back door, so to speak?

[attaboy]

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[kingwilly]

My views on sexuality have nothing to do with religion.

I wonder how many heterosexuals who oppose homosexuality would themselves be caught going in the back door, so to speak?

would that make it gay ??

[attaboy]

i really can't understand why two people of the same sex can't be accepted as equal to a hetero couple.

Because it's a perversion, by created beings, of the intent of the Creator, and is nothing new. Homosexuality has been with us since Abraham's time.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Animals are perverts? The female hyena's genitals have evolved into something that looks like a penis. The dominant female will often have sex with the other females to aknowledge her position at the top of the pack. Are hyenas a perversion of God's intent?

edited to add: If your saying it's a deviation from his intent and deviation is something expected and natural when creating something so great and complicated (as the universe), then homosexuality isn't bad, it just is and it is part of the overall creation. Is that what you mean?

[kingwilly]

chimpanzees have also been observed having male to male sex

is that a perversion of God ? are thinking sentinent beings? do they have a soul?

[Butterfly]

Animals are perverts? The female hyena's genitals have evolved into something that looks like a penis. The dominant female will often have sex with the other females to aknowledge her position at the top of the pack. Are hyenas a perversion of God's intent?

Now this is interesting. Thanks for that tidbit.

Anal sex is natural. Happens all the time in the wild. Hardly controversial.

[Butterfly]

chimpanzees have also been observed having male to male sex

Well, that's because they don't believe in God and live in sin. All of them.

[Little Chuchok]

chimpanzees have also been observed having male to male sex

is that a perversion of God ? are thinking sentinent beings? do they have a soul?

Are they katoey chimps?

[ecclesiast]

If heterosexual love is soooo natural then why aren't priests allowed to indulge?

If homosexual love is soooo bad then why are most priests closet homos and not closet heteros?

[kingwilly]

chimpanzees have also been observed having male to male sex

Well, that's because they don't believe in God and live in sin. All of them.

this is exaclty the question i'm asking....

are they sentinent? are they in sin then? has God communicated His word to them? do they have free will ?

if not and they are part of his creation of His and how then are they perversions ?

[attaboy]

If kerux admits that homosexuality is an inevitable (but deviant) outcome of creating something so complecated as life and the universe, then homosexuality is a natural part of Nature. Is there something in the doctrine of Christianity that says people must struggle against nature and its influences. Is that why homosexuality is wrong?

[man with no head]

My views on sexuality have nothing to do with religion.

I wonder how many heterosexuals who oppose homosexuality would themselves be caught going in the back door, so to speak?

would that make it gay ??

Not with a woman.

[Stocky]

Way, way, way back in old times being gay/lesbian/bisexual was always thought of as wrong and you would probably get burnt on a wooden pole for the weekly entertainment and later on up the timeline psychologists thought of that sexual prefrence as an illness and tried to even "cure" the patient with such treatments as electric shocks.... (OUCH!)

Way, way, way back in old times being gay/lesbian/bisexual was actualy not frowned on at all and widley practiced by most civilisations. Most were not what we would label "gay" rather swang both ways, it was'nt until the advent of "christian values" that it become frowned upon in the west and Islam in the east. I'm not sure what the early Jews thought of it.

So if in the bible (okay I am refering to Christianity here as I dont know many facts about other religions...) being gay/lesbian/bisexual was said to be "OK" would we be living in a world where sexuality didn't really matter..?

You only have to look at Thailand for an answer to that.

Would we be living in a world where no one would question if two members of the same sex could be happily married and adopt children together as a family...?

I have nothing against gay's getting married, once you take the religious crap out it's just a contract between two people. I'm not an advacate of gay's adopting though, personaly I belive that idealy childer shoud have male and female inflances in their live, so why let people adopt in less than optimum circumstances.

Has religion shaped the way some people feel/behave toward sexuality today?

Undoubtedly it has shaped the view of many.

I'm an atheist because I don't believe in the existence of any kind of god

Same here

Absolutely RC ~ godly people fuck things up! I'm with the ungodly.

[kingwilly]

My views on sexuality have nothing to do with religion.

I wonder how many heterosexuals who oppose homosexuality would themselves be caught going in the back door, so to speak?

would that make it gay ??

Not with a woman.

but isnt a used food tube is the same for males and females, minus the additional hair, pooh-berries, and testicular sack bumping back and forth......

ooh i guess that answers my questions then.

good news!

[kerux]

Anal sex is natural. Happens all the time in the wild. Hardly controversial.

Bring one example here. Unless you mean homosexuals who do their thing in the wild, not happening.