koran, allah, and all things islam

**keda** · 07-09-2010, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

When somebody convinces me that the casualties inflicted by foreign forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine are in the name of God, I will believe those killings are in the name of Islam.

Not sure which of 'those killings' you are referring to, but your post makes little sense anyway. Try again.

Anyway, on your past form I'm not sure it's a good idea for anyone to try and convince you of anything that doesn't suit your transparently untenable apologist agenda.

Still, as a worthy apologist you should be promoting the irrefutable 'fact' that foreign Christian forces are slaughtering peaceful Muslims willy nilly, and unblinkered people should be trying to persuade you otherwise. Don't forget, it's the Christians that started it all.

Admit it, even as victims of Islamic terrorism report hearing Allah Akbar moments before the event, you would still deny it may have anything to do with Islam.

**keda** · 07-09-2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Dug

And untill then you believe they are not in the name of islam but....what?

Some of those killings are as mundane as family & business disputes, some (lots) are civil war & factional violence, some fighting occupying forces.

We can safely remove family and business killings since these happen everywhere, even in infidel nations. Unless you would like to keep this open for discussion, but as it also covers honour killings I'm guessing you would rather not open yet another indefensible front.

Not sure about civil war yet and well agreed for later on, but factional violence is closer to the meat, as are those fighting occupying forces. Only, there are no occupying forces in Iraq or Afghanistan, since the US is there on invite from their respective governments. If you remain unconvinced and would rather not believe those that see things differently to you, then you may believe yourself through your own posts on other threads for confirmation that both governments want the US to stay and in fact know what will happen once the US leaves.

But well done anyway, and that's a fine emotive term that you managed to squeeze in at the right place.

I wouldn't venture to suggest how many listed there would be defined by the perpetrators as 'in the name of Islam' but defining all conflict in the Moslem world as Jihad or Holy war is taking a rather occluded view of things.

You're the stats expert when it suits, and I agree it ain't easy to commit to the actual number of killings committed by Muslims in these countries that are chalked up to Allah. But how about a wide margin of error, just for a clue, something like a small or large minority, or a small or large majority?

Ditto to the second part, though I don't recall anyone defining all conflict in the Moslem world as Jihad or Holy war. You have created a strawman in order to defend it.

When Catholics and Protestants are killing over Northern Ireland is that religious war? Or when Catholic Priests were egging on and in some cases leading the Hutu massacring the Hutu's, was that religious War? You may think differently, but I think not.

Nice one, cling to Northern Ireland where to my knowledge neither side for a moment toyed with the ambitious goal of global dominion, and no limbs or heads have been lopped off on account of virtue, theft or blasphemy.

Though the Hutu massacres were unpleasant, as with the Inquisition, the conquistadors and other patent distractions, they didn't happen yesterday and won't happen tomorrow. You have grasped yet again at a flimsy diversion to avoid defending Islam, but that's not new either.

**the dogcatcher** · 08-09-2010, 11:20 PM

The Africa thing had nothing to do with anything other than money and power.

Tribal shit, not in the equation.

**sabang** · 09-09-2010, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Erm, wasn't that the Tutsis?

Yes, typo- my bad.

Originally Posted by keda

transparently untenable apologist agenda.

We only need view your rhetoric- 'scourge of Islam', 'evil ideology', 'Kenyan Marxist Moslem, President' (LOL), etc to realise very quickly that if a reasonable person were not defined as an apologist by your pedagoguery He would need to double check his own reasoning for signs of bigotry and naive ethnocentrism. So thanks.

Originally Posted by keda

there are no occupying forces in Iraq or Afghanistan, since the US is there on invite from their respective governments.

After deposing the previous government by military invasion of course- so obviously ones view of the legitimacy of the new government would be contingent on ones view of the legitimacy of the invasion and violent overthrow of the previous government.

Originally Posted by keda

But how about a wide margin of error, just for a clue, something like a small or large minority, or a small or large majority?

Certainly a legit question. A minority of those killings are in the name of Allah imo- most would be explained under the more mundane categories described. But lets not take our eye off the ball here- because we can and do agree on some things. Too many of those killings are in the misguided name of Allah, or Islam. But describing every one of these killings as in the name of Islam (while blatantly ignoring other killings in the name of God, such as Witch burnings & persecution in Nigeria) is an outright lie. Credible sources know not to resort to outright lies, because they will brook absolutely no credibility with credible people. But of course the source is an anti-Islam blog.

Originally Posted by keda

You have grasped yet again at a flimsy diversion

Why is pointing out the obvious fact that many people, including ourselves, have killed in the misguided name of their God or Deity a flimsy diversion? If one seeks to win or contain a conflict, well it is convenient enough for the 'Grunt' to be spoonfed the usual dehumanising propaganda, this is indeed a commonly used strategy. But the people responsible for the strategic management of a conflict are certainly not this dumbed down. I guess thats why they are paid more, and for that matter die less.

Call me a hopeless romantic, but in Issue's we should and in many cases do think above the level of a 'Grunt'.

**keda** · 09-09-2010, 08:00 AM

A Second Villa Trashed in Lombok after Alleged Insult to Islam

Lombok. A second foreigner residing on Lombok Island in Indonesia has found himself the object of local wrath for allegedly defiling Islam during the fasting month of Ramadan.

Locals from Sidemen village on Lombok’s main tourism area of Senggigi told the Jakarta Globe on Tuesday that hundreds of residents had attacked and wrecked a villa belonging to a German national and torched his motorcycle for blaspheming Islam.

Police identified the man as Stephen Alexander, 35, also known as Abu-Can Peter.

Mustan, a local, said Alexander discovered that a vandal had decapitated one of the statues in front of his villa on Monday evening and took the severed head to the home of village chief Amalsah.

“He came carrying the statue head and got angry at the village chief, accusing the villagers of damaging his statues.”

Alexander threatened to report the vandalism to the police if Amalsah could not find the vandal within two weeks, Mustan said.

He said villagers had just finished tarawih (evening prayers during Ramadan) and were insulted when Alexander demanded to know, “What kind of Muslims we were?”

“His words were deeply hurtful.”

As Alexander fled for the forest, the enraged villagers trashed the resident’s villa and burned his motorcycle.

Alexander, who has lived in the Lombok for ten years and is married to an Indonesian, only emerged from the forest when police arrived. They promptly arrested the expatriate and are holding him in protective custody at Senggigi Police headquarters.

Luke Gregory Lloyd, 64, meanwhile, is facing the prospect of six years in jail after he was charged with blaspheming Islam and immigration violations after disrupting a late-night Koran recital in a mosque near his house in Kuta, Lombok, on Aug. 22.

Police allege the American expatriate barged into the prayer session with his shoes on, unplugged a microphone and may have even assaulted one of the worshippers.

Lloyd, whose home was also trashed, denies the charges.

A Second Villa Trashed in Lombok after Alleged Insult to Islam | The Jakarta Globe

The foked up ideology running business as usual in what the blinkered left call a 'secular' Muslim state. Aside from Christians in Indonesia, much the same is happening only worse to Copts in Egypt, the Ahmadi in Pakistan, girls going to school in Afghanistan, women demanding recognition as humans in several Islamic nations, and even non-Muslims living in their own Western countries. Behind all of this and more, is none other than Islam.

Will take a while, but as it becomes clear and apologists can no longer dodge or defend Islam as the underlying cause in Indonesia, which is still a way behind the more 'advanced' and decayed Islamic nations, no doubt they'll find some way to blame the West.

Fact is, there is no concept of separation of religion and state in Islam, since each is the other and cannot survive except fused together as one.

**Jet Gorgon** · 09-09-2010, 08:08 AM

^ Sad. An old colleague is married to an Indo with a resort on Lombok. She took the kids and went to Singapore to get work several years ago, saying the muslims really feked their biz and she feared for the safety of herself and the kids. The resort biz has been trashed for years.

**sabang** · 09-09-2010, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by keda

Police allege the American expatriate barged into the prayer session with his shoes on, unplugged a microphone and may have even assaulted one of the worshippers.

One wonders how he can actually live in Indon then. The recent 'Queens Mosque' incident in NYC is an example of a much more rational response to insult and provocation.

If we apply a dose of sab's 'litmus test', and send a turban clad operative to urinate on a church altar or pew whilst a religious service is in progress (hurling abuse of course), obviously the response from the gathered Faithful might vary. I like to think that, on average, it would be more like the 'Queens mosque' than 'Lombok villager' response.

**Pol the Pot** · 09-09-2010, 09:31 AM

When in Rome etc. etc.

With 10 yearsexperience incountry the Kraut should have known not to question the locals faith.

No sympathy.

Advice: Get out of the country if you can't deal with locals.

Same advice I'd give a Muslim in America, BTW.

**keda** · 09-09-2010, 04:33 PM

Let's see now, 16000 Islamic terror attacks in 9 years = 148 attacks per month.

Ramadan is supposed to be a peaceful month, so one might imagine that the scorecard for this Ramadan would run at below the monthly average, not 30% above.

Well done, Muslims of the world, Allah will be most pleased.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

**keda** · 09-09-2010, 05:09 PM

More recent offerings of Islamic porn for the ideology of filth...

Dhaka: Muslim girl raped by teacher during Ramadan
BANGLADESH Dhaka: Muslim girl raped by teacher during Ramadan - Asia News

She obviously deserved it for being born a Muslim. Oops, maybe it's only Catholics that rape kids, or more likely, only Catholics that are scorched by the Zionist controlled media for raping kids while Islam gets the nod on child abuse.

When the parents found the girl, she was bleeding in her genital area and had bruises all over the body. Soon after, they took her to a local hospital, where she is still in critical conditions.

I can understand the bleeding, but surely a good Muslim wouldn't beat up an 11-yr-old girl during the peaceful month of Ramadan. She must have tripped.

Activists and Religious Leaders Call for End to Migrant Abuse in Saudi Arabia
TheOPINIONATOR: Activists and Religious Leaders Call for End to Migrant Abuse in Saudi Arabia

British Man arrested & jailed for "racist" ringtone - PC gone mad
TheOPINIONATOR: British Man arrested & jailed for "racist" ringtone - PC gone mad

That deserves a thread.

(UK) City Council Meetings to Begin with Muslim Prayers
City Council Meetings to Begin with Muslim Prayers

Muslim cleric warns of Koran burning consequences
Muslim cleric warns of Koran burning consequences | Herald Sun

Well that's a surprise.

"If the government fails to stop this, this will be the latest manifestation of religious terrorism, and it would ruin America's relations with the Muslim world," said Sheikh Abdel Muti al-Bayyumi."

What reputation? According to Islam, resistance to Islam is itself an act of terrorism. So if the US gov does stop the burning it is still guilty of terrorism for rejecting Allah. Well not all non-Muslims, only those that are not a president.

Teachers killed in restive southern Thailand
The Associated Press: Teachers killed in restive southern Thailand

Boring, I know, but not to the teachers or their families, though I can't imagine why anyone might think Islam has anything to do with this.

The Narathiwat Teachers Federation called for more than 300 schools across the province to close Wednesday for several days, but it was not immediately clear how many opted to shut. One district in the province said five out of 157 schools would close for the rest of the week.

As Islam does not compel its mindless objects to become educated, it also aims to disrupt education for non-Muslim children. I might agree that education is bad, but only for Muslims since they may learn to use their brain and thus learn they're being suckered!

Philippine massacre 'carefully planned'
Philippine massacre 'carefully planned'

A powerful Muslim clan carefully planned and carried out the killings of 57 people -- including 30 journalists -- in the Philippines' worst massacre, a witness in a landmark trial says.

More misunderstanders of Islam. Perhaps our liberal apologists should explain to them they're supposed to be peacelovers, but do that from a distance please.

Bhopal church threatened over Quran burning
Bhopal church threatened over Qur

The fault lies with Christians in Florida, or those in Bhopal? Nope, it's all to do with the dysfunctional ideology.

Christian Copts Living As Slaves to Muslims in Egyptian Village
Christian Copts Living As Slaves to Muslims in Egyptian Village « Persecution News

No problem, Islam supports and condones slavery. Anyone care to protest otherwise? I guess not, just sulk in the corner.

Grassroots Anti-Islamism in Germany
Grassroots Anti-Islamism in Germany - The Corner - National Review Online

A bit more than late and just one small community, but a heartening sign anyway that not all infidels are too complacent to recognise the harm being done to civilisation by the plague of Islam.

Merkel says violence of Muslim youths is a problem in Germany
Merkel says violence of Muslim youths is a problem in Germany - Monsters and Critics

That took some balls; good for her!

Algerian men put to justice for breaking the Ramadan fast
Algerian men put to justice for breaking the Ramadan fast

10 men facing 2 years in jail apiece, and should think themselves lucky to be in 'moderate' Algeria rather than a properly determined Islamic country.

MIAMI (WSVN) -- A Palestinian national has been arrested in South Florida after he was accused to attempting to purchase hundreds of stolen weapons.
WSVN-TV - Palestinian national arrested in So. Fla.

Only bigoted Islamophobes might consider he was going to use them or pass them on for others to use against non-Muslims, right?

Saudis fumed over sex pill ad
Saudis fumed over sex pill ad - Israel News, Ynetnews

Can't be true, it's from a Yid source.

Six killed as violence flares in Thai south
Six killed as violence flares in Thai south | Reuters

The religion of peace doing what it does best, building another stack of dead bodies.

DEGANGA BURNING BY THE BENGAL JEHADIS. TENSION INCREASED. MILITARY DEPLOYED TO TAME VIOLENCE.
DEGANGA BURNING BY THE BENGAL JEHADIS. TENSION INCREASED. MILITARY DEPLOYED TO TAME VIOLENCE.

Btw this is an excellent site for more on current and past Jihadi activities in India, which the Western media remain oddly silent about.

Malaysia Muslim TV ad scrapped amid Christmas link
Malaysia Muslim TV ad scrapped amid Christmas link - BusinessWeek

Amazing how so called 'moderates' can get their knickers twisted over something that appears to be influenced by Santa Claus.

Inconvenient Truth: 10 Times More Hate Crimes Against Jews Than Muslims
Inconvenient Truth: 10 Times More Hate Crimes Against Jews Than Muslims | NewsBusters.org

One for the TD statistician. How could this be so when the ratio of Jew to Muslim worldwide is 1:100? I know, I know, now it's suddenly more convenient to enter reality and consider that this applies only to the USA where the ratio is different...but still nothing like 10:1?

Bomb blast wounds 7 in Tajikistan nightclub
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

None dead, hardly worth a mention, don't know why they bothered except to fill a few column inches.

Nine students among 19 killed in Pakistan suicide blast
Nine students among 19 killed in Pakistan suicide blast

Better, but one needs to focus if one wishes to please Allah.

230 people killed in Mogadishu violence
230 people killed in Mogadishu violence | The Jakarta Globe

That's more like it and Allah's test driving the virgins; roll on next Ramadan!

Iran scoffs at European concern over case of woman
The Associated Press: Iran scoffs at European concern over case of woman

They're scoffing not at European concern over Ashianti, but at civilised impotence in refusing to recognise that Islamic barbarity has anything to do with Islam.

Pakistan: some Christians denied aid unless they convert to Islam
Catholic Culture : Latest Headlines : Pakistan: some Christians denied aid unless they convert to Islam

Much the same with the Ahmadis. Convert to Islam or die. Again, nowt to do with Islam, just a secular issue.

Egyptian Cleric: Allah Honors Wives With Beatings
Weasel Zippers

"The prophet Muhammad said: "Don't beat her in the face, and do not make her ugly."See how she is honored...In addition, there must not be more than ten beatings, and he must not break her bones, injure her, break her teeth, or poke her in the eye. There is a beating etiquette. If he beats to discipline her, he must not raise his hand high. He must beat her from chest level. All these things honor the woman."

Are there really schools out there where Muslims go to learn how to beat their wives? Any of our more devoted Muslims care to provide links?

'Battered spouse' defense allowed in beheading trial
'Battered spouse' defense allowed in beheading trial - City & Region - The Buffalo News

Here's a good one. The executive of the cable station intended to improve Islam's image, beheaded his wife in a demo of true Islamic fervour rather than the plastic version reserved for fools. Anyway, last year he tried for an insanity defence, the judge told him to fok off, so he changed it to spousal abuse by his wife. All he needs now is a Muslim or two on the jury, which is easy enough to demand using farang standards of fair play, and he'll be in a strong position to plea bargain.

Bogor church congregation defies threats, authorities
Bogor church congregation defies threats, authorities | The Jakarta Post

No more to be said, the Indos are a secular people according to those that live there and can't say different because they would like to keep living and also there, so this must all be a misunderstanding.

Senior Iranian cleric dismisses Nazi Holocaust as 'superstition'
Senior Iranian cleric dismisses Nazi Holocaust as 'superstition' created by the West | Mail Online

I bet he got his ideas from the TD elite. I for one can't imagine how to describe Allah and Islam as anything other than a barrel of superstitions created to control ignorant desert dwellers. Still, he's the expert.

Mosque 'slumlord'
NJ tenants rage at G. Zero imam
Mosque spiritual leader Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf also alleged slumlord in Jersey - NYPOST.com

He's a good bloke is Rauf behind it all, or so some sad individuals believe. And so is his truthful and honest wife.

Sketchy tax break for GZ imam 'prayer pad'
Ground Zero imam Feisal Abdul Rauf got church tax break on apartment he claimed was used for worship by ASMA - NYPOST.com

No matter, Rauf's a moderate and deserves whatever he can wheedle.

Exclusive: Concerns Mounting Over Ground Zero Mosque Funding
Exclusive: Concerns Mounting Over Ground Zero Mosque Funding

New and disturbing questions are mounting about the source of funding for the so-called Ground Zero mosque and cultural center.

Amazing how the media tend to go overboard whenever they get an 'exclusive' that everyone knows anyway.

Ameer Ali's son involved in Sex-for-Marks scandal
Ameer Ali's son involved in Sex-for-Marks scandal

Sure, and obviously his dad didn't know anything about it, which is why he signed on the lad as a lecturer.

Catholic church hall to be converted to mosque in Nova Scotia
Catholic church hall to be converted to mosque in Nova Scotia

Another trophy.

"As a prayer centre, I welcome it. When you take roots in a community such as this, it shows that you're going to stay for a while. You're putting down roots."

And another brain dead infidel.

Reading Arabic 'hard for brain'
BBC News - Reading Arabic 'hard for brain'

Could explain why there are so many cranially challenged individuals in the ME.

After his hand was chopped off, Kerala college sacks lecturer
After his hand was chopped off, Kerala college sacks lecturer - The Times of India

Sermon on Egyptian TV: "By Allah, We Will Conquer Italy and the Rest of Europe, North and South America, The West Will Convert to Islam."
Weasel Zippers

Middle East peace talks are 'doomed to fail', says Ahmadinejad
Middle East peace talks are 'doomed to fail', says Ahmadinejad | World news | guardian.co.uk

Sure they're bound to fail when one party enters with the declaration that he will never accept the right of the other to exist.

Radical Islam is world's greatest threat - Tony Blair
BBC News - Radical Islam is world's greatest threat - Tony Blair

He ought to bang heads with Merkel. At least he admits it now, though only in part, which is still far less dishonest than the ideological scoffers.

Pakistan: 4 more Christian villages deliberately flooded
Catholic Culture : Latest Headlines : Pakistan: 4 more Christian villages deliberately flooded

Only 0.07% of the Islamic republic's 159.6 million people are Catholic, according to Vatican statistics. 97% are Muslim.

97% is not good enough; Allah demands 100%.

AUSTRALIAN MUSLIM HATE PREACHER CALLS FOR DUTCH MP GEERT WILDERS TO BE BEHEADED........
TUNDRA TABLOIDS.......: AUSTRALIAN MUSLIM HATE PREACHER CALLS FOR DUTCH MP GEERT WILDERS TO BE BEHEADED........

No compulsion in religion, heh? No compulsion for mugs that believe the crap more like.

(UK) 'Servants sometimes need a slap - and we don't let ours out of the house'
Council worker Rehana Mohamed's Twitter storm: 'Servants sometimes need a slap' | Mail Online

Wouldn't mind giving her a slap in the face at the right moment.

Malaysia to monitor Internet for 'harmful' blogs
AFP: Malaysia to monitor Internet for 'harmful' blogs

Musta got the idea from their northern neighbours.

Muslims Resume Building (mosque) on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan
Hard-line cleric defies local officials' order to stop construction.
Muslims Resume Building on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan

Spain Muslims outraged at Mecca discotheque
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/20...02/118296.html

The inauguration of a discotheque called Mecca in Spain infuriated Muslims in the country and raised questions about the position of Muslim workers offered jobs in the controversial place.

Woman dies of burns; husband, brother-in-law arrested
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Not an honour killing. Not sure what but can't be an honour killing.

Depraved Palestinians Celebrate Quadruple Israeli Murder by Hamas
Depraved Palestinians Celebrate Quadruple Israeli Murder by Hamas

As the man said, another "give 'em a state" moment from those adorable 'Palestinians'.

Westerners Urged to Earmark Aid for Pakistan’s Marginalized Christians
CNSNews.com - Westerners Urged to Earmark Aid for Pakistan

Forced marriage runaways' bounty hunter
The Hindu : Opinion / Op-Ed : Forced marriage runaways' bounty hunter

Yup, he just brings them back home to face their 'destiny'. Nothing wrong with that.

OMAHA — Federal officials say a JBS Swift & Co. meatpacking plant should give Muslim employees prayer time and not retaliate against workers who ask to pray. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission filed a lawsuit Monday on behalf of more than 80 Somali Muslims.

Feds Take Lawsuit Against Swift Plant in Support of Islam! | Loganswarning

86 walked off the job to pray, Swift fires 86 and says it's nowt to do with religion, 86 want compo, and Feds support them. Just as well Bambi's only a honky hating Black Socialist and not also a Muslim, otherwise we'd really be in trouble.

EU: Pay billions or be swamped by black Africans, warns Gadaffi
EU: Pay billions or be swamped by black Africans, warns Gadaffi - Adnkronos Security

It's called jizya. Refuse to pay and be swamped right away, or agree to pay and be swamped later.

Al Qaeda is back to claim the recovery of Ceuta (Spain) and Melilla by force
Google Translate

SC upholds life term for man who killed woman over burqa
SC upholds life term for man who killed woman over burqa - The Times of India

There you go, another stream of peaceloving murders and mayhem. We Westerners must be really evil for causing it.

**keda** · 09-09-2010, 05:11 PM

More recent Islamic porn from the depraved ideology...

Dhaka: Muslim girl raped by teacher during Ramadan
BANGLADESH Dhaka: Muslim girl raped by teacher during Ramadan - Asia News

She obviously deserved it for being born a Muslim. Oops, maybe it's only Catholics that rape kids, or more likely, only Catholics that are scorched by the Zionist controlled media for raping kids while Islam gets the nod on child abuse.