Thread: koran, allah, and all things islam

This is a continuation of my Religion of Peace thread, expanded to cover not just the most violent and regressive "religion" in the history of the known universe, but its roots, causes, hopes, ambitions and methods, overt, stealth and legal jihad, its texts, dogma, shariah, dhimmitude, its hypocrisy and treatment of women, perfidy, and all other products of this hopelessly misunderstood ideology.

There we go, lots of scope for anyone wishing to contribute, and I've chosen this report to kick off as it relates to ongoing bug induced interference on another thread:


Hotelier Ben Vogelenzang cleared of insulting Muslim guest

A district judge yesterday questioned the character of a Muslim convert as he dismissed the case against husband-and-wife Christian hoteliers accused of offending her new-found religion.

Ericka Tazi, 60, who converted when she married a Muslim man, had claimed that Ben Vogelenzang, 53, had called her a terrorist and compared Muhammad to a warlord when she wore a hijab on the last day of her stay at the Bounty House Hotel in Liverpool last March. She also claimed that his wife, Sharon, 54, told her that wearing such a garment represented a form of bondage, or oppression, in a finger-pointing tirade that left her traumatised.

After a two-day trial, Richard Clancy, a district judge sitting at Liverpool Magistrates’ Court, threw out the allegations of religiously aggravated threatening behaviour, suggesting that Mrs Tazi’s account could not be relied upon and that she was not quite the religious person that she presented herself as in the witness box.

The case is being seen as a victory for free speech and liberty by evangelical groups, notably the Christian Institute, which sponsored the defence costs. It is likely to cause widespread alarm in the Muslim community.

The 15-minute incident came as Mrs Tazi, who suffers from fibromyalgia, came down to breakfast at the hotel at the end of a four-week course of pain management at Aintree Hospital. She decided to wear her hijab, the traditional Islamic dress, in celebration.

Mrs Tazi, a mother from Warrington, Cheshire, claimed that Mr Vogelenzang was transformed into a “whirling dervish”, likened Muhammad to warlords down the ages and asked her: “Are you a terrorist or a murderer?”

Mr Vogelenzang denied the allegation and suggested that it was Mrs Tazi who had provoked the confrontation by stating that Jesus was a minor prophet and the Bible was not true.

Hugh Tomlinson, QC, the couple’s counsel, said that it could not be objectionable under the laws of England that a person believed that women in Islam were oppressed. Even if it was said that Muhammad was a warlord, this could not be deemed offensive.

“The fact that someone is upset or offended is not a reason for criminalising the speech used by the other person,” he said. Dismissing the case, Mr Clancy said that it was often the case that religion and politics were the tinderbox that set the whole thing alight. “It would appear that is what has happened here,” he said.

The district judge questioned Mrs Tazi’s version of events. He referred to Mrs Tazi’s conversation with an ambulance driver in which she said: “They were taking the p*** out of me.”

Mr Clancy said: “It does not quite form the same religious view that was put to me on the stand.”

Hotelier Ben Vogelenzang cleared of insulting Muslim guest - Times Online


While the outcome of this case sounds like a minor victory for common sense, it becomes a signal triumph when one considers it actually happened in the UK, even if we do not bother questioning the decision making process that allowed such a travesty to reach district court in the first place.


This next one is a fine example of double standards at play in Dhimmi UK plc, and as usual don't be shy, your comments are invited.

Taxi driver sacked after he was captured on hidden CCTV telling a pensioner: 'You die tonight'

A taxi driver has been sacked after a hidden in-car camera caught him swearing at three terrified pensioners and telling one: 'You die tonight.'

Elyas Haidari, 24, hurled abuse at the women, who were all partially sighted, and told them to 'shut up' as he took them to a day care centre.

When the pensioners tried to get out of his car, Mr Haidari, who had held a licence for seven months, refused to help them.

Mr Haidari is the first cabbie to be caught by the new 'taxicam' system employed by Southampton City Council.

He was hauled before the council's licensing committee after the women complained about his 'truly shocking' behaviour.

Council officers downloaded the footage from the camera within hours and were stunned when they heard Mr Haidari telling one passenger 'you die tonight.'

He was also heard yelling, 'shut up' during the journeys and 'get out' at the women when they reached their destination.

Councillors voted in August to make it compulsory for cameras to be fitted in all new Hackney carriages.

Mr Haidari's car was among the 150 cabs which already had a camera fitted.

Licensing committee chairman Councillor Brian Parnell said that without the camera in Mr Haidari's car, his behaviour could have gone unnoticed.

He said: 'While incidents such as this in the city are fortunately rare, it undoubtedly shows the merit of having cameras fitted to all licensed vehicles in the city.

'It is a ringing endorsement of the council's recent decision to make the fitting of cameras mandatory.'

Council licensing officers downloaded the recording from the camera within hours of the incident being reported to them.

The council praised the cooperation and response by Radio Taxis following the complaint about their driver, who was promptly dismissed.

Company chairman Clive Johnson, who has launched a legal challenge against the decision to make cameras compulsory, said: 'We were very upset and concerned about what happened.

'But we didn't need the camera evidence. We acted on the information from the statements from the three ladies.

'We supplied all the information to the police. We didn't need a camera to tell us something had gone disastrously wrong.

'We are not against cameras, we're against being forced to have them.'

The £625 cameras, which the council sells at subsidy for £250 excluding VAT and fitting, take still pictures and record continuous audio once they are triggered by a door opening.

Drivers are also able to trigger a burst of pictures if they push a panic button.

A police spokesman said an officer spoke to Mr Haidari's three passengers although no official statements were taken and they did not wish to make an official complaint.

Cabbie sacked for telling disabled pensioner 'You die tonight' | Mail Online


Let's ignore the arguments for and against cab cams, since these are not relevant to the thread, though success in this instance appears to have given way to political bluster. Whether or not there was any religious compulsion for the cabbie's outrageous behaviour, this too should be ignored.

More pertinent, is that the cabbie abused, harassed, intimidated and frightened the old ladies in his care. Now, he happens to be a muzzie, and the authorities happen to have not just the words of 3 partially sighted women but proof, thanks to the onboard cam. One should reasonably hope with this weight of evidence, even the crappiest prosecutor could carve out a conviction against this vile creature. Yet he is not being prosecuted.

Otoh, a muzzie lady triggers a prosecution of a Christian couple on the basis of her word against theirs, with no other evidence except the testimony of witnesses siding the victims. Oh yes, because the lying bitch that caused so much suffering to the couple, chose to stage controversy by becoming offended.

Now, does anyone consider it unreasonable to suspect there may a stark and shameless double standard at work here?

Any thoughts on the likelihood of a prosecution if the cabbie were an infidel and his victims muzzie?

Should we expect our resident inbreds to contribute coherently, or will they resort to the diversionary tactics by rubbishing the report because it was issued by the Mail?

Should we expect our resident inbreds to contribute coherently, or will they resort to the diversionary tactics by rubbishing the report because it was issued by the Mail?

Unless you want others to follow your example, given that you lead off and close with needless, pointless, and irrelevant ad hominem I don't think you're really in a position to be setting standards of 'coherent contribution' for others.

I didn't read where there were any religious overtones to the cabbies behaviour, just asshole one. perhaps he got fed up woth three women prsttling on in the back about god knows what he told them to shut up.

Yawn......yet another anti-muslim thread.

Violent religion? What about Thugee?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by keda

This is a continuation of my Religion of Peace thread, expanded to cover not just the most violent and regressive "religion" in the history of the known universe, but its roots, causes, hopes, ambitions and methods, overt, stealth and legal jihad, its texts, dogma, shariah, dhimmitude, its hypocrisy and treatment of women, perfidy, and all other products of this hopelessly misunderstood ideology.

Blimey! You realise that the average Western lifespan is 80 years and that most of us get bored by the time a thread hits 50 posts. You've got your work cut out if you're going to cover that lot in less than 100 years. Still, it's nice that you've got a hobby.

And blimey too, I hope you never considered everything up there has to be discussed. Nope, could be a bit of paranoia at the thought that a certain poster may still be a mod, so just an attempt at cover against meddling on grounds of off topic, though I guess you're right if flexi-rules are in place. Still, lots of scope.

Originally Posted by Dug

I didn't read where there were any religious overtones to the cabbies behaviour, just asshole one. perhaps he got fed up woth three women prsttling on in the back about god knows what he told them to shut up.

No question of his outrageous behaviour having a religious edge, and as mentioned that was not an issue.

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

Yawn......yet another anti-muslim thread.

Violent religion? What about Thugee?

Nasty pieces of work, but it did add a word to the English language.

Just ask belgian, french, dutch, danish ... don't forget british people what a pain in the a** the daily life with the muslims is.

This religion should be banned from occidental countries. Period. They don't respect nothing, it's not a religion at all.

I'll post some videos and news here so you'll be able to see how tolerant is this "dictature".

Could you imagine a muslim Thailand ?

I guess there will be no one farang coming here. And you know why. So don't ask western countries to accept the islam "diktat".

Let the muslim stay in their dunes in the desert and when they come in our country they have to follow our laws and rules. Like when we go (not me) there.

If they are not happy with that they are free to fly back home.

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Just ask belgian, french, dutch, danish ... don't forget british people what a pain in the a** the daily life with the muslims is.

This religion should be banned from occidental countries. Period. They don't respect nothing, it's not a religion at all.

I'll post some videos and news here so you'll be able to see how tolerant is this "dictature".

... I suppose pointing out the inherent irony of what you've just posted is in order. You sound just as intolerant as you claim 'they' are.

Originally Posted by keda

No question of his outrageous behaviour having a religious edge

Based on what? Nothing in the article even mentions his faith (or lack thereof).

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Could you imagine a muslim Thailand ?

Don't have to imagine it, there are Muslims living in Thailand. Plenty of them.

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This message is hidden because AntRobertson is on your ignore list

Mouahahahahaha

^Yep like I said, intolerant.

Can't even handle hearing a different opinion from your own. Welcome to being a part of the problem you're crying about.

Still, it's nice that you've got a hobby.



consider that stolen ........ by me

Originally Posted by keda

There we go, lots of scope for anyone wishing to contribute, and I've chosen this report to kick off as it relates to ongoing bug induced interference on another thread:

GHod damn Keda, didn't you realize that you would have the same BUG INFECTION as before with that son of a bitch loose on the boards?

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Just ask belgian, french, dutch, danish ... don't forget british people what a pain in the a** the daily life with the muslims is.

This religion should be banned from occidental countries. Period. They don't respect nothing, it's not a religion at all.

I'll post some videos and news here so you'll be able to see how tolerant is this "dictature".

Looking forward. I don't need persuading that islam and intolerance go hand in hand, but it would be interesting to get more views. I also don't need to be persuaded islam needs to be banned, but I see it only as the first step towards a modern day equivalent of a 'New Islam' which is less intolerant, equal and with freedoms that do not exist today, and compatible with Western civilisation. No, that does not mean everyone will live happily ever after and the tooth fairy visits at midnight. Also, of course this is not realistic under the present climate and attitudes, and to make matters worse I hope to add some more contentious thoughts that may seem even more inflammatory, to some.

Anyway, I also agree islam is not a religion but an inseparable political/religious supremest ideology, incompatible with Western civilisation for many reasons which we can cover in time, and importantly that it will well within the natural lifetime of a newborn change our way of life permanently, irreversibly, and adversely, across the board.

And I start with the firm belief that islam will triumph, and gain geographic ground by far exceeding pre-Crusade expansion, with Western civilisation the implicit loser. It won't be pretty, but it will happen, and this is where some more may start to squirm.

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Could you imagine a muslim Thailand ?

Yes, but not for now.

I guess there will be no one farang coming here. And you know why. So don't ask western countries to accept the islam "diktat".

Let the muslim stay in their dunes in the desert and when they come in our country they have to follow our laws and rules. Like when we go (not me) there.

If they are not happy with that they are free to fly back home.

I agree, but those that make the decisions obviously don't.

Also worth distinguishing between islam and muslims. For me it is the ideology of islam that ought to be reviled and addressed, but far from all muslims.

Originally Posted by blackgang

GHod damn Keda, didn't you realize that you would have the same BUG INFECTION as before with that son of a bitch loose on the boards?

Sure I did but have to learn to live with it. Just thanking Buddha the demented feminazi has found somewhere else to park.

Originally Posted by keda

Originally Posted by blackgang

GHod damn Keda, didn't you realize that you would have the same BUG INFECTION as before with that son of a bitch loose on the boards?

Sure I did but have to learn to live with it. Just thanking Buddha the demented feminazi has found somewhere else to park.

Learn to live with it? What, you have a problem with being asked perfectly reasonable and valid questions? Huh, so I guess that it's fair to say that when you said this:

Originally Posted by keda

...don't be shy, your comments are invited... but it would be interesting to get more views...

what you actually meant was that you wanted to hear comments and views that agree and accord with your own. Certainly your reticence to engage in debate doesn't speak much for the courage of your convictions or belief in the soundness of your arguments.

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Could you imagine a muslim Thailand ?

I guess there will be no one farang coming here. And you know why. So don't ask western countries to accept the islam "diktat".

Let the muslim stay in their dunes in the desert and when they come in our country they have to follow our laws and rules. Like when we go (not me) there.

If they are not happy with that they are free to fly back home.

Too true, ship all the bastardssss back.

It's funny that in a thread discussing Muslim intolerance that in the face of perfectly logical and reasonable counterpoints you get responses that are the virtual equivalent of sticking your virtual fingers in your virtual ears and going "nyahh, nyahh, nyahh I can't hear you!":

Originally Posted by Wallalai

This message is hidden because AntRobertson is on your ignore list

Mouahahahahaha

, comments via repo like this:

koran, allah, and all...11-12-2009 09:03 PMEliminatorFeck off, you sound like a public attorney.

, or, simply, post after post of silly name-calling or no response at all.

I guess that when people are close-minded or have weak arguments they'd rather not be forced to face that particular reality. The greatest irony of it all being that they're just as bad as some of those they rally against.

[quote=keda;1. I also don't need to be persuaded islam needs to be banned, but I see it only as the first step towards a modern day equivalent of a 'New Islam' which is less intolerant, equal and with freedoms that do not exist today, and compatible with Western civilisation.[/quote]


The only hope I can see of this happening is that women might start to stand up for themselves and demand emancipation from the men who are the rulers and decision makers in this vile creed. Nothing seems to terrify Muslim men more than an educated woman with the vote and her own opinions, and who aim to have real political and religious power. Why don't they have female Imams? does the koran forbid it? don't remember but probably as women are regarded and treated as second class citizens, when they start to wake up things might improve. What amazes me is the silence in the west from the 'feminist' liberals who stay silent for fear of offending anyone, pathetic betrayal of muslim women.

Originally Posted by the dogcatcher

I believe that one religion should be tolerent of another.

Which one would that be then?

Originally Posted by the dogcatcher

Ant believes that if a rag head come up and blows his childrens brains out, them that's ok.

When you say something as disgraceful as that you pretty much blow your credibility out of the window imho.