Thread: The abortion debate

Originally Posted by chitown

I also know one woman that expected to have a healthy baby and she was born with 2 arms and two legs.

sounds OK to me?

Originally Posted by chitown

What about women that can't care for their kids after they are born? It is a sad selfish excuse for a woman to say she can't care for a child and abort. We have a generation of wimps in the world right now with no character at all.

unfortunately, there is no test for wimps, otherwise they could be aborted

Originally Posted by chitown

Just one decision like a abortion could alter the future.

I agree; maybe Hitlers mum should have considered it

Whilst I can see your point of view Chi, you cannot see the womans. Yes, some may be quite selfish in their decision, but that is up to them, not us

It is their life they are considering, not yours. The foetus is not a baby, not at that stage.

being a little heartless, there are enough people in the world so a few less does no harm. Humans are not the most kind and generous a species, they will do whatever they like to the environment and their bodies

Originally Posted by chitown

The fact is the baby can't makes its own decision and sadly its future is made for them.

It's not a baby, it's a fetus, and as you say it can't make it's own decisions, and that is because it has no conciousness of itself, it's not a person until it is born and even then a newborn is unable to make desicisions for itself for a significant time.

Basically you are being irrational and hysterical over the issue, but of course you don't think so.

Ok a couple more questions.

Why should government legislate over the decision of a woman to terminate an unwanted pregnacy?

What do you think the long term effects on crime and delinquency will be if abortion is made illegal throughout the US?

baby murder

ground up like a piece of beef.

chopped into little pieces and dumped in a plastic bag.

it is women disposing of their unborn children.

Murder - that is what it is.

OK, let's assume for a moment that this is accurate, and that abortion is murder.

that it's grinding up children, and putting them into plastic bags.
that it's babies chopped into little pieces.

how can someone sit around posting on an internet forum while this is taking place?

if someone truly believes this carnage is taking place.....what kind of person would do nothing about it?

shouldn't an american who believes this to be true be in the US working to overturn roe v wade?
shouldn't an american who believes this to be true be outside an abortion clinic attempting to convince these women not to 'chop' and 'grind' up their babies?

it is, after all, grinding up babies and disposing of them in plastic bags, right?

what kind of person could let this slaughter continue?

eh?

This is a no-win debate which generates a huge amount of emotion on both sides of the topic...

On one side of the debate are the 'baby murderers' camp who feel justified in bombing abortion clinics & killing doctors due to their beliefs... Along with wanting to force a woman to have a child she does not want and possibly cannot raise / support...

On the other side of the debate are those who feel it is a 'choice' made by the mother / father to terminate an unwanted pregnancy for their own personal reasons... Whether that is right or wrong should be left up to the immediate family...

My personal belief is that it's no one else's business what a woman does with her own body... 'Pro Choice' is the only sane way to address this issue...

I have qualms on both sides of the issue. One the one side, under circumstances where the life of the mother (as mentioned above with ectopic pregnancies) is threatened I have no problem. I do have a problem with partial birth, late term abortions unless again it is a case of the mother's life being threatened, though it is hard to picture in the case of partial birth since the baby is already part way out. Other cases such as pregnancy following a rape or child abuse I also have no problem with. Where my problem lies is with those that use abortion as a method of birth control. I do not think the general public should be forced to subsidize those that have repeated abortions because they are too stupid to keep their legs crossed or use a form of birth control to prevent the pregnancy or are unable to control their libido. Granted under those conditions it would be unfortunate for the child to be born, I just can't see the general public having to pay for such stupidity. I think at a certain point if they are going to insist on the right to have repeated abortions because of their own ignorance, the public should have a right to force sterilization. I lived on the near west side in Chicago (West Erie) long enough to know many women that no sooner had an abortion than they were pregnant again and lining up for another abortion. The line needs to be drawn somewhere. Yes, a woman has a right to her own body, but a woman also has to take personal responsibility for her actions at some point. Another answer would be to have a system where at some point the woman has to pay on her own for the services rather than the general public subsidizing her ignorance.

Obviously something has gone wrong with the whole system. There is no dearth of birth prevention education and free birth control available even in the schools, yet unwanted pregnancies continue to rise. Not just bashing women though, I recognize that men need to step up to the plate regarding their role in the problem. It takes two to tango....

Either way, it's a difficult topic with no easy answers. I'll defend a woman's right to do as she wishes with her body, but at some point I want to say not on my dollar. My first wife had an abortion and I had no say in the matter. After originally deciding we wanted a child, she decided on her own that she didn't want one. I was flat out told I had no say on the matter. Surprised her, I DID have a say in the matter, I divorced her arse. The cars and the house were mine before we married. She got nothing....

People think abortions are baby murder what they dont realise is that the so called baby is just a microscopic mass of cells that looks no different than any other mass of cells. If you had a tumor would you feel bad about removing it? Its also just a mass of cells.

Wasnt it common in the past to just drown a baby in a tub of water after it was born if you didnt want it? I think abortion is much more humane.

I think the US needs a MIND YOUR OWN FVCKIN BUSINESS law passed it would help in so many ways! I cant for the life of me figure out why someone would care so much about what someone else does with their life. Abortion, Homosexuality, Child rearing, etc, etc, etc, people need to just mind their own business.

Looks like the dispute between abortion supporters and opposers is heating up.

White House at odds with bishops over abortion

"WASHINGTON – The White House is on a collision course with Catholic bishops in an intractable dispute over abortion that could blow up the fragile political coalition behind President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

A top Obama administration official on Thursday praised the new Senate health care bill's attempt to find a compromise on abortion coverage even as an official of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said Sen. Harry Reid's bill is the worst he's seen so far on the divisive issue.

The bishops were instrumental in getting tough anti-abortion language adopted by the House, forcing Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to accept restrictions that outraged liberals as the price for passing the Democratic health care bill.

Reid, D-Nev., now faces a similar choice: Ultimately, he will need the votes of Democratic senators who oppose abortion to get his bill through the Senate.

So far, Reid has steered the Senate bill in a direction that abortion rights supporters can live with: allowing coverage for abortion in federally subsidized health care plans, provided that private funds are used to pay for the procedure. But abortion opponents say his compromise would gut current federal restrictions on abortion funding."


White House at odds with bishops over abortion - Yahoo! News