Thread: Does this worry Americans?

Let me begin by saying that just because you don't like the messenger it doesn't make the message any less valid or true.
Reading between the lines (well you really don't have to) and extrapolating the results of these two actions (defining potential terrorists and advertising for detention camp personell) what conclusion can you come to?

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'Extremism' report based on Web chat
2 groups call for Napolitano to take responsibility, quit
Posted: August 12, 2009
7:57 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

At least two groups are demanding Department of Homeland Security Security Janet Napolitano quit after a report revealed that the agency's recent report on "rightwing extremists" was based on sources no more or less secure than Internet chat.
The DHS report was "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." WND has posted the report online for readers to see.
The report linked returning veterans with the possibility of terrorism, and when it was released it created such a furor for Napolitano she has given several explanations for it, including that she would have reworded the report and that it was issued by a rogue employee.
She later apologized to veterans for having linked them to terror.
But critics noted that the report also targeted as "potential terrorists" Americans who:

• Oppose abortion
• Oppose same-sex marriage
• Oppose restrictions on firearms
• Oppose lax immigration laws
• Oppose the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
• Oppose continuation of free trade agreements
• Are suspect of foreign regimes
• Fear Communist regimes
• Oppose a "one world" government
• Bemoan the decline of U.S. stature in the world
• Are upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India, and more

A new report from Americans for Limited Government now has revealed that according to documents released under a Freedom of Information Act procedure, the DHS report was based on sources including "a frighteningly kooky website" that included a report about a scientist destroying a radio to God.
One of the DHS sources was "whatdoesitmean.com," the report said.
"And what is the thrust of whatdoesitmean.com – this site the Obama administration considers a reliable source for intelligence gathering against the American people?" the ALG wondered. "Whatdoesitmean.com contends that the government of the United States has been in direct contact with extra-terrestrial aliens through sophisticated radio waves. Its masthead contains unicorns, Tarot cards, secret numbers, and hieroglyphics.
"Based upon these and other similar observations on whatdoesitmean.com (as well as in the intensely frenetic Huffingtonpost.com and the far left Southern Poverty Law Center), the Department of Homeland Security condemned millions of patriotic Americans, including veterans, to intense, daily surveillance by law enforcement officials nationwide," the ALG report said.
"Janet Napolitano's DHS did not conduct even the most rudimentary research or investigation," the ALG said. "It did no statistical analysis. It did not even bother to interview those it accused and allow them the opportunity to defend themselves.
"DHS functionaries simply cruised the Internet (in tin-foil hats, no doubt) and relied entirely upon some of the most disreputable sites on the web to stage its attack upon its 'rightwing' targets," the report said.
ALG President Bill Wilson now has demanded that Napolitano resign her post for using what called "crackpot" sources for a federal threat assessment report to law enforcement agencies nationwide in April.
"Janet Napolitano must resign immediately from her post at Homeland Security over this outrage," said Wilson.
"The Department of Homeland Security used a kook website to indict the American people in drafting the 'rightwing extremism' memo. Its use in intelligence gathering was deplorable and highly dubious, not mention insulting to the tens of millions of Americans who were targeted by the memo," he said.
"Under Napolitano's watch, government officials who were supposed to be gathering real intelligence on domestic terror threats were instead surfing the web and reading wacky websites, all to create the public perception of 'rightwing extremism,'" Wilson said.
The report, Wilson charged, was created "without any intelligence sources, crime data, or actual evidence of planned attacks or any groups known to be planning attacks, or any groups with histories of perpetrating attacks that are currently conducting any types of operational recruitment, meeting, or planning."
Joining Wilson in the call for Napolitano's departure was Americans for Legal Immigration PAC.
"Labeling tens of millions of Americans who are veterans, or concerned about taxes, gun rights, or illegal immigration as potential domestic terrorists is inexcusable," said William Gheen of ALIPAC. "To use anecdotal information found online and provided by discredited leftist groups like the SPLC [Southern Poverty Law Center] and ADL [Anti-Defamation League] to criminalize popular political positions in American cannot be tolerated in a free society.
"Janet Napolitano must resign or be fired by Obama. If not, then all Americans can safely assume that President Barack Obama supports these highly unpopular and offensive policies coming from the Department of Homeland Security," he said.
The ALIPAC statement said concerns over government efforts to target those with conservative values was "elevated" recently by a run of National Guard recruitment ads for "Internment/Resettlement" specialists.
"People who are concerned about illegal immigration and our government's complete failure to secure our borders and enforce our existing immigration laws during a time of war represents the popular view on these issues, and not some kind of domestic terrorist threat," said Gheen. "We call for Napolitano's resignation or termination and ask that all federal officials take immediate actions to dispel public concerns about rampant taxation, gun rights, and open borders plans."
None of the sources among 217 pages of documentation obtained under FOIA was from a government organization or department, Wilson confirmed.
Shortly after the "extremism" report was released, WND reported that the Department of Defense was describing protesters as "low-level terrorists."
WND later reported when the DoD eventually withdrew a training manual question that linked protesters across the United States to terrorism.
The Thomas More Law Center earlier filed a lawsuit against Napolitano and the DHS on behalf of nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage, Gregg Cunningham of the pro-life organization Center for Bio-Ethical Reform Inc. and Iraqi War Marine veteran Kevin Murray.
It alleges the federal agency violated the First and Fifth Amendment constitutional rights of the three plaintiffs by targeting them for disfavored treatment and chilling their free speech, expressive association, and equal protection rights. The lawsuit further claims that DHS encouraged law enforcement officers throughout the nation to target and report citizens to federal officials as suspicious rightwing extremists and potential terrorists because of their political beliefs.

'Extremism' report based on Web chat

Why is National Guard recruiting for 'internment' cops?
Ad campaign seeks workers at 'civilian resettlement facility'
Posted: August 07, 2009
11:45 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

An ad campaign featured on a U.S. Army website seeking those who would be interested in being an "Internment/Resettlement" specialist is raising alarms across the country, generating concerns that there is some truth in those theories about domestic detention camps, a roundup of dissidents and a crackdown on "threatening" conservatives.
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The ads, at the GoArmy.com website as well as others including Monster.com, cite the need for:

"Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists in the Army are primarily responsible for day-to-day operations in a military confinement/correctional facility or detention/internment facility. I/R Specialists provide rehabilitative, health, welfare, and security to U.S. military prisoners within a confinement or correctional facility; conduct inspections; prepare written reports; and coordinate activities of prisoners/internees and staff personnel.

The campaign follows by only weeks a report from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security warning about "right-wing extremists" who could pose a danger to the country – including those who support third-party political candidates, oppose abortion and would prefer to have the U.S. immigration laws already on the books enforced.

The "extremism" report coincided with a report out of California that the Department of Defense was describing protesters as "low-level terrorists."
The new ad says successful candidates will "provide external security to … detention/internment facilities" and "provide counseling and guidance to individual prisoners within a rehabilitative program."
Officials at the state and federal National Guard levels told WND they were unaware of the program, although one officer speculated it could be intended for soldiers trained in the U.S. and dispatched overseas to "detention facilities." From the national level, WND was told, officials were unaware of any such "internment facilities" at which there could be jobs to be available.

Army job ad for 'internment' specialist
At a NationalGuard.com website, a front page video describes the position thoroughly.
But one of the critics was a YouTube contributor who identifies himself as jafount and titled his video, "Want a job putting people into camps?"

Alarmed by the ads, he said it, the idea "just absolutely blew my mind."
Citing a promise that successful applicants would be trained in "search and restrain procedures," he said, "That's code for violating the 14th Amendment."
Likewise, he said, "use of firearms" is "code for depriving somebody of their life.'
"This is the real deal, I think," he said, citing, among others, the NationalGuard.com link.
"I saw something that didn't sit right with me. I posted it so other people can investigate," he said.
A commenter on the YouTube site pooh-poohed the whole suggestion.
"You have … put out a relatively benign fact, twisted it into something sinister, and then did a tinfoil-hat connection to give a false impression," the forum participant wrote.
The ads list as "advanced responsibilities" issues such as supervision and administration, responsibility for the "prisoner/internee" population, "custody/control for the operation of an Enemy Prisoner of War/Civilian Internee (EPW/CI) camp," and work on "custody/control for the operation of detention facility or the operation of a displaced civilian (CD) resettlement facility."
An editorial at CanadaFreePress.com raised some overall concerns:

Let's look at some of the evidence we have of the U.S. government's intentions to establish the infrastructure that could be used to house large numbers of political dissidents, so-called terrorists and other individuals the U.S. government wants locked up.

HR 645 the National Emergency Centers Establishment Act is a proposed bill in the U.S. House of Representatives that would authorize FEMA to build no less than six National Emergency Centers throughout the U.S. on closed or open military facilities. These facilities are to be designed to house large numbers of people. Why would emergency centers need to be built on closed or open military facilities unless there was a need to keep people from coming in and out of them?

KBR was granted a government contract a few years ago to build facilities to house illegal immigrants. Now with illegal immigration becoming less of a problem with the U.S. economy in the toilet, these facilities can now be used for other purposes.

"This is just another step in the U.S. government's long term plan to build the infrastructure that could be used to contain wide spread popular revolt. Combine this with the swine flu fear mongering and the potential for a mass swine flu vaccination operation and it is easy to see what might happen. Refuse to take their poisonous vaccine and you might risk being locked up as being a hazard to public safety. With the economy in the toilet and more and more people not trusting either political party or the corporate media, the 'powers that be' realize that they need to continue building their martial law apparatus. These Army National Guard job listings are just another piece to that puzzle proving what we already know is being built," the editorial claimed.
At the Examiner, a commentator wrote, "Correctional/internment facilities? I have to admit that the U.S. government is good at one thing: creating fluffy names for evil acts. During WW2, of course, the U.S. didn't have concentration camps, we had 'relocation centers' for hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese citizens."
The jobs also were listed at Jobsearch.money.cnn.com, employmentguide.com and freedomsphoenix.com.
WND reported when the DoD eventually withdrew a training manual question that linked protesters across the United States to terrorism.
That followed by only weeks a Department of Homeland Security report that described as "right-wing extremists" those who oppose abortion and support secure national borders.
Richard Thompson, president of the Thomas More Law Center, has told WND that as part of his organization's research for its lawsuit over the DHS "extremism" report, it has discovered additional information that it is withholding now but will include in a pending amended complaint.
Thompson said one of the things that sparked the organization's curiosity was a reference by DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano in the original report to not only government resources but also non-governmental resources.
Thompson said the information he has "creates even more concern that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is unconstitutionally targeting Americans merely because of their conservative beliefs."
The earlier DHS report was "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." WND has posted the report online for readers to see.
The report linked returning veterans with the possibility of terrorism, and when it was released it created such a furor for Napolitano she has given several explanations for it, including that she would have reworded the report and that it was issued by a rogue employee.
She later apologized to veterans for having linked them to terror.
But Thompson noted that the report also targeted as "potential terrorists" Americans who:

• Oppose abortion
• Oppose same-sex marriage
• Oppose restrictions on firearms
• Oppose lax immigration laws
• Oppose the policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
• Oppose continuation of free trade agreements
• Are suspect of foreign regimes
• Fear Communist regimes
• Oppose a "one world" government
• Bemoan the decline of U.S. stature in the world
• Are upset with loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India, and more

Thompson told WND no apology has been offered to the members of any of those classes of citizens.
Thompson said the original "extremism" report was "the tip of the iceberg. … Conservative Americans should be very outraged."
The Thomas More Law Center filed its lawsuit against Napolitano and the DHS on behalf of nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage, Gregg Cunningham of the pro-life organization Center for Bio-Ethical Reform Inc. and Iraqi War Marine veteran Kevin Murray.
It alleges the federal agency violated the First and Fifth Amendment constitutional rights of the three plaintiffs by targeting them for disfavored treatment and chilling their free speech, expressive association, and equal protection rights. The lawsuit further claims that DHS encouraged law enforcement officers throughout the nation to target and report citizens to federal officials as suspicious rightwing extremists and potential terrorists because of their political beliefs.

Why is National Guard recruiting for 'internment' cops?
Draw your own conclusions, but if I were an American I would be concerned.

I would be concerned about a potential upsurge in domestic Right wing terrorism or murder incidents in the US, fanned by the current Right wing feeling of disempowerment and frustration, fanned by extremist web sites and loonie fringe groups. And, disappointingly, Republican politicians and populist Right wing media buffoons.

Not efforts to research them- of which a good source is loonie web sites- and take possible contingency action.

Originally Posted by Dug

if I were an American I would be concerned

I would be concerned if this element was not being investigated and researched.

I am not concerned about this. But they are there and need to be watched. One thing I am a bit confused about is: why weren't these "right-wing" extremists angry over the last administration? Or, perhaps they were?

During the previous administration, government got a lot bigger, usurped on individual rights, and spent money like crazy.

Why are these groups suddenly frustrated?