should fat people pay more for health care?

[foreigner]

should fatties, smokers & non exercisers pay an appropriate share of health care costs?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/ma...er=rss&emc=rss

smoking is responsible for a huge % of health care total costs.
Costs of Tobacco Use

the debate is on weather the poor should be allowed to have dental / medical care.
IMHO, the debate should be on if the intentionally unhealthy should be part of the health care system at all .. much like repeat drunks / bad drivers are denied the right to drive.
it's called personal responsibility.

I've recently moved to a small town w/ a stagnate / dying economy, 6 years now, & one of my first impressions of the town was the # of people that had less than a full grill.

The definition of white trash: have teeth pulled instead of repaired.

6 months ago I had a problem with a 30 year old filling & a diseased root canal in the tooth just behind the 'canine' ( a big smile front tooth) .. becasue I am self employed & pay cash ..the local dentist's 1st suggestion was pull it .. $2500 to get it repaired (root canal & cap)
I got it fixed at Bumrungrad for 14k Thb last month.

F' the US health care system.

I just finished a 20 day Thai vacation that had a net expense of less than $0. (not to include BFs, viagra, st rooms & condoms .. )
I've got more in the bank with the medical tourism vacation (include air & serviced apartment & medical costs) than I would if I had gotten all the medical care at home.
Granted I had physicals, labs & a biopsy that would have gone undone in the usa because of cost.
& IMHO, Bumrungrad provides a better medical service than available here.

[Texpat]

Should people who don't brush their teeth pay more for dental care?

Should people who dive big cars pay more for gas?

Should only blacks pay for sickle cell research?

[barbaro]

^ you have a point, Tex.

This could be a slipper slope.

[foreigner]

Should people who don't brush their teeth pay more for dental care?

Should people who dive big cars pay more for gas?

Should only blacks pay for sickle cell research?

if the poor accept the consequences of no resources situation should not fatties & addicts accept the financial consequences of their situation

people who do not brush their teeth do pay more (the question is should the group pay for their irresponsibility)
& big cars do pay more per mile (& IMHO, pay a global warming surcharge at the dealer & for licenses)
& big pharm pays for sickle cell research & bills medicaid 300% more same med than in canada, UK, ..

the question is if the 'group' should cover the cost of irresponsible behavior

should drunks be denied the right to drive / denied auto insurance
should fatties / smokers be allowed into the group health care pay system . the poor (health conscious or not) are not allowed into the group system pay for their health care ..

should the documented irresponsible force the consequences of their lifestyle on the group

> I do not care if motorcycle riders wear a helmet
(when I road a triump back in the early '70s .. before helmet laws .. I wore a bell)
what i object to is the cost of brain injuries .. traumatic injuries
don't wear a helmet & don't get an ambulance ride without proof of resources. ..

freedom of choice & personal responsibility

[foreigner]

^ you have a point, Tex.

This could be a slipper slope.

& denying health care to the poor / uninsured is not slippery?
I am not poor just uninsured ..

if the 'red head sun related skin situation' for which I had the biopsy had been malignant (was not) my choice would have been close my profitable biz (income to high to qualify for medicaid) & sell my home (income to low to pay taxes & utilities) to get public paid for health care.

as the cost related to the skin condition grew I sought counciling regarding help covering costs..
the consistent answer I got from several 'public agencies' was close my biz . not sell it, close it.
& live on $500 per month + food stamps in government subsidized housing.

or die. My choice before biopsy was to die in my home.
as harsh a reality as stopping smoking or stop eating big sized meals.

[ArabTRWrist]

Yes.

-_-

[britmaveric]

Most poor are fat, well least in yankland.

You choose not to buy health insurance so that is on you mate. If the fat person firm pays for his health insurance this has no bearing on you.

[foreigner]

Most poor are fat, well least in yankland.

You choose not to buy health insurance so that is on you mate. If the fat person firm pays for his health insurance this has no bearing on you.

the fatty / smoker increases health care cost of the firm which reduces profits & global competitiveness.
Why many well managed firms will not hire smokers .. or fatties

smokers & fatties choose to incur increased health care cost which makes insurance unaffordable for the personally responsible.

60% of the health care cost in the US is directly smoker / fatty related.
link again from the University of Nevada web site:
Costs of Tobacco Use

fatties & smokers make insurance expensive.

fatties & smokers are more common in the uneducated red neck / white supremacist / white trash republican base.
Up In Smoke: GOOD looks at smoking in America
almost all of the high addiction states are also low education republican base states
http://calorielab.com/news/2008/07/0...t-states-2008/
again, almost all the highest fatty states are low education republican base states


streets & water / sewer service are socialism
most republicans are to stupid to know what socialism is

[barbaro]

^ and ^^ and ^^

True Obesity is problem in the US - and the UK is right behind and growing quickly.

But in addition to fatties and smokers, we have high blood pressure people, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc.

It can become a slippery slope.

This who debate is purely hypothecal.

And actually these people do pay high for med coverage - if - they have medical insurance that is not employer-employee sponsored.

[chassamui]

Fat cvnts should pay more for sitting on half of my seat on aircraft.

[britmaveric]

^you should pay more because you're a twat!!!

[foreigner]

But in addition to fatties and smokers, we have high blood pressure people, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc.

all of those conditions are smoker / dietary issues.

& those with high risk personal behavior (smoke, super size, motorcycle ride, rugby, bare back .. ) do not pay for for 60% of all health care cost .. it is spread amongst all.

I lub it tu mutt (NOT) to see a fattie in a wheel chair with O2 canula smoking in front of a shop ranting about socialism

[foreigner]

your

but an educated twat

edit: with my level of spilling & typo-ing it might behoot moi to shut the F' up

[britmaveric]

^ahhh a TEFLER wannabe!!!

[foreigner]

Fat cvnts should pay more for sitting on half of my seat on aircraft.

my neighbor with a 55" waist bitches about plane seat size.

his insurance just paid a $6000 ER bill (less a minor co-pay) for a kidney stone event .. totally life style related medical care ..yet the costs are spread to all of his company's employees insurance rates.

the ER MRI was $4000. .. at Bumrungrad it would have been under $300

the US system is broke.

nut case / birther / everything is socialism glen beck on health care
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[foreigner]

^ahhh a TEFLER wannabe!!!

facts are so irrelevant to sarah palin like maverics (sp)

[FlyFree]

Fat people should pay more for everything. And should be heavily fined for farting.

[DrB0b]

Healthcare should be free. If you don't understand that then you don't understand what democratic government is about. If you still don't understand it then don't worry about it, you're part of the 98% of the human race officially designated as retarded, be thankful the internet gives you a voice.

[SEA Traveler]

Tough question. and it doesn't stop with the additions of some of the posters.

What about those who fly frequently?

What about those who who indulge in hobbies or professions that are more dangerous than others?

What about that who have parents who have historical health care problems?

Personally, I don't know what the solution is but I do know that I don't care for high and skyrocketing health care premiums to cover and subsidize those who are more probable to require health care as aresult of their chosen habits, profession, or general situation.

[foreigner]

Tough question. and it doesn't stop with the additions of some of the posters.

What about those who fly frequently?

What about those who who indulge in hobbies or professions that are more dangerous than others?

What about that who have parents who have historical health care problems?

Personally, I don't know what the solution is but I do know that I don't care for high and skyrocketing health care premiums to cover and subsidize those who are more probable to require health care as aresult of their chosen habits, profession, or general situation.

best post of the thread!

I didn't realize they let intelligent & thoughtful people post here!

[foreigner]

Healthcare should be free.

the availability of health care for all is socialism (?) .. labeled by people that do not know the definition of socialism
they do not address: school, streets, city services .. all socialist programs paid for the society for the benefit of all members of the society.

privately owned toll roads are not socialist.
When I lived in a crowded metropolitan area I used toll roads at every opportunity. Best part of my new rural home is the (2) traffic lights blinking after 9PM

corporate lobbyist ( 5 pharm / insurance lobbyist per congressman) is fascism
..government & industry conspiring against the people.

[barbaro]

But in addition to fatties and smokers, we have high blood pressure people, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc.

all of those conditions are smoker / dietary issues.

True for most people.

& those with high risk personal behavior (smoke, super size, motorcycle ride, rugby, bare back .. ) do not pay for for 60% of all health care cost .. it is spread amongst all.

This is where the the slippery slope is. The latter don't pay more, but the people at the top of the post, would, under this model.

[foreigner]

This is where the the slippery slope is

those most against (& most vocal with glen beck lies) health care reform live in the states where a higher % of the residents are totally against intelligent life style (or intelligent discussion)

health care reform will reduce illogical corporate profits
anyone who has reviewed a US hospital bill knows to what I refer.
& why "health care corporations" are paying off congressmen at an alarming rate.

the congressmen most against health care reform have (mostly) been the recipients of huge insurance / pharm contributions (= bribes)

several of the anti death panel reform guys have previously voted for / endorsed / sponsored 'living will legislation'
but are folding for the glen beck dummies

campaign finance reform might be necessary to achieve health care reform

[Jet Gorgon]

[quote=foreigner;1137088]the debate is on whether the poor should be allowed to have dental / medical care.
IMHO, the debate should be on if the intentionally unhealthy should be part of the health care system at all .. much like repeat drunks / bad drivers are denied the right to drive.
it's called personal responsibility.
That it is, personal responsibility and personal choice. We do not have free dental care in Canada, and we pay for many medical procedures and medicines.
Why should healthcare be free? Should house insurance, car insurance, private schools, etc all be free? Sure, take care of those really in need, but the US is not a socialist place. You make money, you get more choice. Obamacare will just make the US a socialist place filled with more unions that will try to strangle the companies that gave them work in the first place. Stupid.

[foreigner]

Why should health care be free?

health care reform means a MRI is priced at a reasonable rate
meds in Canada are 1/3 what they are in the US..
I purchased my celebrex through a pharmacy in Alberta at 1/3 what Rite-Aide wanted .. the US based pharm companies started denying product to web based pharmacies.

ER based health care .. for 20% (?, seems 54,000,000 is a # tossed around) of the population is crazy ..
instead of palliative care, people show at the ER in acute, critical condition .. & expensive care.

no doubt there are issues to be over come .. but the fact that I can fly trans-pacific .. stay in a (low end) serviced apartment with the savings on 2 crowns .. something is broken.
medical tourists can fly transpacific / stay on Phuket for a week get an MRI for the cost of a US MRI..
something is wrong.