Thread: Ivan,s At It Again

Funny thing, just before Christmas Putin stated that the West had better get used to high Gas prices, so what does Ivan do? he shuts down the gas pipe lines and blames others for doing so, the revenue from oil is depleted and does not have any connection with the gas problems,
Deal with IVAN at your peril, its the KGB WITH A NEW TITLE

Maybe the Ukraine should pay their foking bills then and no problems.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Maybe the Ukraine should pay their foking bills then and no problems.

Agree but its got f/all to do with the West, so you trust the Ruskies then???

Noone gave a stuff about Russia when they had their arse dragging on the ground and their empire crumbling. Sure they may have had a different political outlook from a lot of people, but still they were part of the planet and I didn't see the west chucking heaps of welfare to their starving and energy deprived people when they were lining up to grab a few musty potatoes for dinner. The answer to why not is pretty clear, they didn't care less. In the meantime Russia has been busy investing what wealth they have accumulated, after the graft and corruption, in infrastructure projects to ensure that they can be independent in the future, which is right now. They haven't been allowing their financial system to take it's own course and stuff up the rest of the world like many western countries have.

How can you blame Putin. He holds the cards now. No good whinging and complaining about him. He is just returning the favour.

The Americans gave the Ruskies loads of food back in the 60's and 70's as long as they agreed to spill the beans on their faked moon landings.

Originally Posted by Norton

^Not quite true Johnny. Seems a few countries did send a fair amount of aid to Russia but was misused and ineffective. "Since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the subsequent breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991, the governments of the United States and other Western countries have provided massive aid to promote a transition to the free market in Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. But aid for market reforms in the region has been largely ineffective. Whether provided in the form of technical assistance, grants to political groups or nongovernmental organizations, loans and guarantees to the private sector, or direct financial aid to post-communist governments, that aid has been plagued by a number of problems. The failed $22.6 billion bailout of Russia by the International Monetary Fund in July 1998 only confirmed the flawed nature of the aid-for-reform approach." U.S. Assistance for Market Reforms: Foreign Aid Failures in Russia and the Former Soviet Bloc __________________

Yes agreed there was some assistance, but nothing like the current bailouts presently flying about to non performing companies in the US.
However, the article goes on to say:

Technical assistance, for example, has often been used to hire Western consultants whose advice is redundant or adds little to the development process. Aid has become an end in itself, and, in prominent instances, has resulted in conflicts of interests or self-enrichment of aid-financed advisers. Because providing official funds to countries in transition is an inherently political process, reform efforts often backfire when they are perceived to follow an agenda set by Western governments. Those efforts have been further discredited by the West's strategy of supporting specific groups or individuals in Russia whose actions depart from their purported interest in liberal "reform." The United States and other donor countries should not continue their dubious aid-for-reform approach if they wish to encourage the development of democracy and true market reform.

^Yep. Better known as money down the drain. And as you point out I doubt any of the money got down to the folks scrounging around for something to eat.

Originally Posted by TSR2

Deal with IVAN at your peril, its the KGB WITH A NEW TITLE

What's this nonsense?

Originally Posted by spiff

What's this nonsense?

Obviously something that is beyond your understanding maybe

Originally Posted by TSR2

so you trust the Ruskies then???

I trust them as much as I would any country to do what is in their best interest. If the Ukraine or any other country is dependent on a single source supplier of anything then they are setting themselves up for a major screwing from the supplier.

Originally Posted by Norton

Last Online: Today 06:59 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roiet Posts: 7,687 Quote: Originally Posted by TSR2 so you trust the Ruskies then??? I trust them as much as I would any country to do what is in their best interest. If the Ukraine or any other country is dependent on a single source supplier of anything then they are setting themselves up for a major screwing from the supplier.

Totally agree, eggs in one basket syndrome!!!

Originally Posted by spiff

What's this nonsense

When they use the police / Visa Dept aka BP problems last year they use the same techniques as the KGB to ensure their objectives, why do you think investment is departing Russia,

It would be nice if you could post some info instead of assuming everyone knows what you are on about.

Originally Posted by spiff

It would be nice if you could post some info instead of assuming everyone knows what you are on about.

Sorry I thought that you were informed given that you referred that I Spouted Moronic Twaddle, obviously you are not, Shame






2informed given that you called me a morononic twaddle person

^ Arai wah?

Looks like he does not want to share his sources.