Is everyone an atheist?

**ChiangMai noon** · 19-09-2008, 01:34 AM

^
very strolleresque that repo.

**DrB0b** · 19-09-2008, 01:35 AM

^Isn't it?. We can only hope, I missed stroller a lot.

**spiff** · 19-09-2008, 01:36 AM

Very clever, you have won the "debate".

I'll leave you to masturbate your giant intellect undisturbed.

**DrB0b** · 19-09-2008, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by spiff

Very clever, you have won the "debate".

I'll leave you to masturbate your giant intellect undisturbed.

Thanks.

**zedhex** · 19-09-2008, 10:14 AM

At this point I now think I have enough evidence to categorically state that no more than 25 angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Just try to prove me wrong.

**DrB0b** · 19-09-2008, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by zedhex

At this point I now think I have enough evidence to categorically state that no more than 25 angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Just try to prove me wrong.

Angels, being spiritual, are of an immaterial essence. Therefore while they may be located in space they physically take up no space. It logically follows that an infinity of angels may dance on the head of a pin. QED

**benlovesnuk** · 25-09-2008, 08:16 PM

By the right that you cannot prove to me by any means through rational methology - that includes mathematics, or science theory projection, facts and truth that indeed your religion is faith based; ie on emotion, self-mental-provocation you are saying that it is a figment of your imagination. That you believe to follow rules apparently cast out to you by some all powerful deity, that you must o bide to live your way through life based on this model, set only by you the individual but collectively aspired by people in your religion.

It is your very self that eludes, the real truth, or maybe you like to think or need to think your part of something in this vastness that just being on the earth as a person is to small a task for you? Are you estimating that subconsciously, you yourself are god because that just sounds like a human being speaking.....and oh look thats exactly what you are. Know your place, and yourself before you put out to others something incoherently false, or at least admit that it is false rather then having to pretend egotistically that it must have to be real. for you to justify it, people go to asylums spouting out similar expletive derangements, that cannot be vindicated at least on this earth.

you estimate by mystery becasue it is the only way you can substantiate there could be a god even though there has never been any evidence meaning or application to show that there ever was. If you are religious because i presume you have read the historical documents of your religion which by this Buddhist year 2551 would have almost eliminated any of which false happenings about god and the creation of us all, then i wonder what keeps you manically or should i say mechanically attesting to its relevance or coherence? oh yes that would be the human part of you, that isnt perfect and cannot achieve that which he hopes to make his religion by some little voice in his head, or by reveling in a desire to be better because of having a faith in some thing that leads to a mistruth about you own self and identity...........

religion of a godly nature is dangerous as we can all see around us, of course not everyone who's religious in this manner can be a weapon against humanity and the very thing most religions forbid,(that which it seems most religious fanatics fail to recognize)!
Of course not everyone who does not have a religion is always going to be morally advantaged or the better citizen, however the balance of truth in knowing that reasons and actions are accounted for by laws of nature, maths and science or of course our biology. then at least that we can understand and also help manage problems or learn to understand and eradicate from society. how do you convince a religious bomber, a religious killer, gunman, or any depraved act of any kind in the event of such deranged mental behavior and self belief in something that cannot be proven is absolute madness in modern thinking???????

**November Rain** · 25-09-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by wandering

Many people have met wackos of every religious pursuation and that is a real turn off.

Or read their views on an internet forum.

OP, in answer to your question - No, not everybody is. Belief is belief, whether it fits with someone else's, or not.

Many of us just choose not to believe, that's all.

**benlovesnuk** · 25-09-2008, 08:55 PM

internet forums are the god of gods, lets make no mistake!

some people who choose not to believe in god but that talk about religion with some kind of necessity to be respectful, as in not to hurt that religions feelings is purely bowing down to what we are told to do by society and acting as they(religious groups) intend. If i think something is wrong i will actively pursue when and where possible my thoughts and feelings, however atheists are scutinised at the best of times because of the fear that they impose and suggest to religious groups who collectively see this as there own demise (with also the advent of continuing scientific breakthrough and modern thinking)!

deity religion sucks the big red one, end of.................

**zedhex** · 27-09-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by zedhex

At this point I now think I have enough evidence to categorically state that no more than 25 angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Just try to prove me wrong.

Angels, being spiritual, are of an immaterial essence. Therefore while they may be located in space they physically take up no space. It logically follows that an infinity of angels may dance on the head of a pin. QED

The Archangel Gabriel told me personally that most angels have very small feet, and pins in Heaven are much bigger than they are on earth (it's a style thing - they don't actually need pins up there - clothes hang together by the power of faith, so the pins are just decorative) - and the ration is 25 angels to one pin. I have it on good faith.

**Norton** · 28-09-2008, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

Many of us just choose not to believe, that's all.

Atheists are also true believers.

**spiff** · 28-09-2008, 03:27 PM

What do they believe in?

**panama hat** · 28-09-2008, 06:45 PM

Nothing . . . and nothing is an entity . . .

Can there be cause without effect? Effect without cause?

**spiff** · 28-09-2008, 07:02 PM

Thanks for reminding me.

It obviously requires a lot of faith to believe in 'nothing', how else can one ignore all the evidence pointing towards a creator-god?

Atheism is the nihilistic religion of denial and moral depravity which has brought us socialism and its massmurder of uncounted millions.

**The Gentleman Scamp** · 28-09-2008, 07:11 PM

An atheist believes there is fuck all when you pop your clogs - so therefore it's a religion. I personally don't have a clue what the experience of departing this life will be like and people can't resist the urge to pidgonhole that too and label it 'agnostic'.

Why do I need to be in a group? Why do I need a label?

I am me.

**panama hat** · 28-09-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by spiff

Atheism is the nihilistic religion of denial and moral depravity which has brought us socialism and its massmurder of uncounted millions.

. . . and Republicans!

**spiff** · 28-09-2008, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

An atheist believes there is fuck all when you pop your clogs - so therefore it's a religion.

I'd rather say they do not believe that there is more to death than what can be shown to be true. It is not a religion in any sense per se, though the zeal of some atheists borders the religious.

Religion: 1. 1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.

3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

**Norton** · 29-09-2008, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by spiff

What do they believe in?

A true atheist is steadfast in the belief there is no supreme being. Theists and atheists alike are simply speculating on faith their believe is valid.

Both have organizations to support their belief be they religious or otherwise named.

American Atheists

**keda** · 29-09-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by spiff

What do they believe in?

The wisdom of believing or disbelieving is questionable. Belief implies an act of faith, which may or may not be warranted; though people are often prepared to kill, or sacrifice themselves or others, in the name of belief.

Yet disbelief is another, reverse form of belief...to deny belief in ghosts, flying saucers or astrology, or a god, is as much an act of faith as believing in them.

**spiff** · 29-09-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by keda

Yet disbelief is another, reverse form of belief...to deny belief in ghosts, flying saucers or astrology, or a god, is as much an act of faith as believing in them.

The equivocating of belief and disbelief is a classic fallacy.
If I do not believe in the tooth-fairy, then it is because of a distinct lack of evidence for its existence. This does not require faith:

# Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

# Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

By contrast, believing in the tooth fairy does require an act of faith.

**spiff** · 29-09-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

A true atheist is steadfast in the belief there is no supreme being. Theists and atheists alike are simply speculating on faith their believe is valid

You are obfuscating by first introducing the qualifier "true" atheist, and then dropping it in the second sentence.

Atheism encompasses a variety of stances, from mere disinterest to the active promulgating that there is no god.

A quick scan reveals the AA association belongs to the latter.

**keda** · 29-09-2008, 04:22 PM

You have faith, i.e. believe the tooth fairy does not exist. By your own contrast, how do you suppose a rational adult human being could believe in the existence of a conventional god?

**spiff** · 29-09-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by keda

You have faith, i.e. believe the tooth fairy does not exist.

It is not an act of faith in the religious sense as referred to earlier.

By your own contrast, how do you suppose a rational adult human being could believe in the existence of a conventional god?

"your own contrast"? lol

Belief in god obviously also requires faith, I doubt you'd find any rational adult human being who would claim otherwise.

**November Rain** · 29-09-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Both have organizations to support their belief be they religious or otherwise named.

Whilst I agree pretty much completely with what Spiff (is that what we're calling him now?) says, I think this is one of the key points, Norts.

Whereas most people who practice a religion do participate in community based ceremonies and belong to organisations who support their beliefs, most atheists don't, finding it an individual choice & ideology. Sure, some do (as per your link), but I think they are in the minority. I certainly didn't even know atheism groups existed before your post and I think I would rather stick needles in my eyes than join one.

**spiff** · 29-09-2008, 09:32 PM

The agenda of AA extends well beyond asserting that there is no god. I doubt there are any 'atheist' groups as such celebrating the absence of god.

Thread: Is everyone an atheist?

Thread Tools

Display

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

Posting Permissions