Thread: Is everyone an atheist?

Originally Posted by whosyadaddy

1. semantics - the reverse is a trait more consistent with those incapable of construct recognition

Not a 'trait', but an observation which lead to the next point.

Originally Posted by whosyadaddy

2. if an apple drops and your hand instinctively reaches out towards - where's the survival related behaviour? grab the concept not the literal.

This would be a reflex, no?
Anyway, the 'concept' is not one to be grabbed, since it is not reasoned.

Originally Posted by whosyadaddy

3. do u speak lion or bear? grab the concept not the literal.

You may want to take your own advice here.

semantics

reflex can be programmed
instincts aren't programmed

if you stick to reason you will hit kant's wall
the 'truth' is beyond the wall and no reason nor reflex will take you there

if the concept had been grabbed then this would not have resulted

Originally Posted by whosyadaddy

surely, god would code everything to obey, to recognise his 'greatness'

Of course, but being a 'loving' god, he gave us 'free will' (which, incidentally, we do not have anyway), allowing us to disobey, so being as 'loving' as he is, he could then terrorize us with the fear of hell to force us into submission -- Lovely, isn't it? (well, at least that's how it works for dumb folks.)

My favorite quotes about these kind of thoughts:

God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills. [Robert Heinlein]

History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. [Robert Heinlein]

The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history. [Robert Heinlein]

Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. [Robert A. Heinlein]

Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it. [Robert A. Heinlein]

I've never understood how God could expect His creatures to pick the one true religion by faith - it strikes me as a sloppy way to run a universe. [Robert Heinlein]

A religion is sometime a source of happiness, and I would not deprive anyone of happiness. But it is a comfort appropriate for the weak, not for the strong. The great trouble with religion - any religion - is that a religionist, having accepted certain propositions by faith, cannot thereafter judge those propositions by evidence. One may bask at the warm fire of faith or choose to live in the bleak certainty of reason- but one cannot have both. [Robert A. Heinlein

One man's religion is another man's belly laugh. [Robert Heinlein]

...and finally, related to Thailand...

Whores perform the same function as priests, but far more thoroughly. [Robert Heinlein]

^

Excellent post.

as 'loving' as he is, he could then terrorize us with the fear of hell to force us into submission

Whatever flavour of religion you subscribe to, this is a recurring theme.

What a crock of shit.

Well, whatever it amounts to be - 'GOD' has a sense of humour.

In answer to the OP's question:

Not only NO but FUCK NO...

...have a nice day, y'all...