Thread: Guantanamo disgrace... show your stories here.

Originally Posted by flash

I haven't seen any evidence of this, I am very interested to learn though.

Haven't seen any evidence of torture either, eh?

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Visit to Gitmo was an eye-opener, Bennett says | Deseret News (Salt Lake City) | Find Articles at BNET

Interesting PR peice. I note that the article mentions that they didn't actually talk to any of the inmates.

^ Perhaps because of: "The takeaway I had from it was how dangerous these people are."

Anty...you got to get a clue. That isn't Kumbaya Land...

Any reports from an independent source not linked to the US government?

Originally Posted by flash

Any reports from an independent source not linked to the US government?

That piece Brit quoted?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Haven't seen any evidence of torture either, eh?

FBI files detail Guantánamo torture tactics | World news | guardian.co.uk

Captives at Guantánamo Bay were chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor for 18 hours or more, urinating and defecating on themselves, an FBI report has revealed.
The accounts of mistreatment were contained in FBI documents released yesterday (pdf) as part of a lawsuit involving the American Civil Liberties Union, a civil liberties group.

In the 2004 inquiry, the FBI asked nearly 500 employees who had served at Guantánamo Bay to report possible mistreatment by law enforcement or military personnel. Twenty-six incidents were reported, some of which had emerged in earlier document releases.

Besides being shackled to the floor, detainees were subjected to extremes of temperature. One witness said he saw a barefoot detainee shaking with cold because the air conditioning had bought the temperature close to freezing.

On another occasion, the air conditioning was off in an unventilated room, making the temperature over 38C (100F) and a detainee lay almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been pulling out his hair throughout the night.

^
lies flash, dreadful lies.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by flash

Any reports from an independent source not linked to the US government?

That piece Brit quoted?

That report was by Senator Bob Bennett

^^^
Uh...perhaps they be dangerous people that gots locked up there?

Read it again...

Visit to Gitmo was an eye-opener, Bennett says | Deseret News (Salt Lake City) | Find Articles at BNET

Originally Posted by flash

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Haven't seen any evidence of torture either, eh?

FBI files detail Guantánamo torture tactics | World news | guardian.co.uk

Captives at Guantánamo Bay were chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor for 18 hours or more, urinating and defecating on themselves, an FBI report has revealed.
The accounts of mistreatment were contained in FBI documents released yesterday (pdf) as part of a lawsuit involving the American Civil Liberties Union, a civil liberties group.

In the 2004 inquiry, the FBI asked nearly 500 employees who had served at Guantánamo Bay to report possible mistreatment by law enforcement or military personnel. Twenty-six incidents were reported, some of which had emerged in earlier document releases.

Besides being shackled to the floor, detainees were subjected to extremes of temperature. One witness said he saw a barefoot detainee shaking with cold because the air conditioning had bought the temperature close to freezing.

On another occasion, the air conditioning was off in an unventilated room, making the temperature over 38C (100F) and a detainee lay almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been pulling out his hair throughout the night.

Wait that comes from a govt source, can't have it both ways mate?

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

lies flash, dreadful lies.

I know, those pesky FBI agents are very anti-American

Originally Posted by flash

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by flash

Any reports from an independent source not linked to the US government?

That piece Brit quoted?

That report was by Senator Bob Bennett

So you think if Cindy Sheehan went down there, the report would reflect a more objective opinion?

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Wait that comes from a govt source, can't have it both ways mate?

Exactly, One government two different storys, can you see a pattern emerging?

Originally Posted by flash

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Wait that comes from a govt source, can't have it both ways mate?

Exactly, One government two different storys, can you see a pattern emerging?

I'm sure you'll elucidate us?

nothing to eludicate, your government are releasing conflicting reports

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

speaking of which, where is Mr Earl these days?

not far

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

So something in Lousiana caused the The US Government to detain prisoners in Gitmo?

Strange reasoning, but I getting to see a pattern.

Originally Posted by flash

nothing to eludicate, your government are releasing conflicting reports

Over what time span? Concerning the FBI report, read the dates the claimed events took place, 2002, 2003? It's been years since I read the pdf. of the FBI reports. Bennet filed his report in 2006.

The US court system is slowly working out what is legal at GITMO. The system works.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Originally Posted by flash

nothing to eludicate, your government are releasing conflicting reports

Over what time span? Concerning the FBI report, read the dates the claimed events took place, 2002, 2003? It's been years since I read the pdf. of the FBI reports. Bennet filed his report in 2006.

The US court system is slowly working out what is legal at GITMO. The system works.

Slowly is the operative word. The system might appear to work if you've not been held without trial for 6 years...

^ Well, those boys fucked up plain & simple - right or wrong...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, those boys fucked up plain & simple - right or wrong...

talking bout your government, right?

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, those boys fucked up plain & simple - right or wrong...

talking bout your government, right?

Actually..no..
Have a nice day...

Originally Posted by lysander

Originally Posted by attaboy

Originally Posted by flash

nothing to eludicate, your government are releasing conflicting reports

Over what time span? Concerning the FBI report, read the dates the claimed events took place, 2002, 2003? It's been years since I read the pdf. of the FBI reports. Bennet filed his report in 2006.

The US court system is slowly working out what is legal at GITMO. The system works.

Slowly is the operative word. The system might appear to work if you've not been held without trial for 6 years...

People not guilty of crimes get caught up in nets everyday everywhere. It's called life. The idea is to keep your eyes open and don't get in the car with a bunch of idiots on a Saturday night joyride.

I understand some people got ratted to the CIA just because they lived on another block and had a different last name. That shit happens everywhere too. Eventually, it gets sorted. The procedure at GITMO has been dynamic. It was severe initially because the USA didn't know what it was up against. The farther down the road the more changes have been made. It's a massive bureaucracy. I think it's performed fairly well. It's tough for individuals caught up in the net but that sort of thing happens everyday everywhere, as I said.

Originally Posted by attaboy

The US court system is slowly working out what is legal at GITMO. The system works.

you should have taken the blue pill, atta, not the red pill, like Morpheus told you

Originally Posted by attaboy

It's tough for individuals caught up in the net but that sort of thing happens everyday everywhere, as I said.

That's an easy thing to say, from the freedom of your keyboard.

Besides which most democratic nations have due process and habeas corpus to ensure that you can't be arbitrarily detained or that, if you are, you have the right to face your accusers and the accusations against you.

Due process is there for a reason and dates all the way back to 1217 and the Magna Carta. Dismissing that so whimsically and easily is not a road that should be travelled.

^ ahem.... still shouting from the street corner?

A bit old ain't it? You any closer to gettin' Omar sprung?

Good luck.